oonowindoo

you know a fully loaded FWD RLX has close to $60k MSRP right?
So it is not very cheap.

If you wanna be cheap, buy Honda. You can't have Acura car that is somewhat "cheap" but not very cheap but need to put cheap stuff to keep it somewhat cheap.

In the Luxury segment, you can have cheaper price but you cannot have Cheap product.

MeehowsBRZ

Fixed!



I see you count "success" as treading water, never trying to step up to the competition, or innovating on a legitimate level. (jewel eye headlights are a joke) And for the love of all things grammar, use capitals some times! You don't want your already weak arguments to crumble over the fact you don't know how to properly start a sentence do you? 4,000 posts in I'd think you'd be able to write at a 5th grade level.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Jesus fucking thread.

Just this TLX topic.

Or move this to a TLX subsection so we can keep the fanboys in their cage.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

^speaking of fanboys. drooling over 200hp.

so now you've had to resort to grammar policing and ad homs. I think we're done here.

jwong77

Welcome to car forums in general.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Just stop. Both of you. Take a deep breathe and watch this.

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Please let it go.

MeehowsBRZ

This won't work, I actually didn't like Frozen that much!!

Don't worry, once I notice its getting TOO easy I get tired of responding. #captilizationskillz

oonowindoo

i don't think anyone bought BRZ/FRS because it has 200hp...

RWD + lightweight + 6mt + any kind of HP > Pretty much anything Honda/Acura has right now.

Costco

I love the attempted attacks on the FR-S/BRZ

"We have no legitimate reasons as to why Acuras cannot sell very well and therefore we are going to start mocking your car"

My car only has 200hp? Really? I had no idea.

@ a TLX will run circles around a BRZ. k.

Costco

The irony is that anyone who would defend a TLX against its competitors would use the same reasons as someone who defends the FR-S against its competitors.

Hello?

Underpowered/lack of powertrain options?
Perceived value (price/performance ratio)
Handling capability

oonowindoo

Hence, the definition of fanboys

Moog-Type-S

Comparison? When was the TLX compared to the 328 or MKZ or Regal?

The Acura fan boy apology tour is in full effect



Not to mention side skirts, and chrome trim are not going to make this car lust worthy.....maybe more , but not lust worthy, as the concept was not the case.

Moog-Type-S

You are a

oonowindoo

maybe you could talk in Smilies from now on, because i actually understood exactly what you were saying.

biker

Fibonacci

Ask your boy CharlieMike.

So let me get this straight, you are calling me a fan boy because I think it makes more rational sense to see a car in full production form factor and actually driving one first before ripping on it? Okay, Mooooooooogs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you and many others initially praise the looks of the NAIAS "prototype". And then didn't you criticize the spy pics because it didn't have side skirts, chrome on the bumpers and wacky wheels?

I'm not saying that stuff is important to me, but obviously it is to you.

Fibonacci

Totally agree. Any large organization can succumb to coasting after considerable success. And if there were awards, a glaring example in the OEM business of drinking too much of their own kool-aide, Honda would be the rock star. Acura has been viewed as Honda plus for too long by the parent co, but it sounds like things are finally changing.

Having said that Honda plus works for me because I place much lower value on badge or flaunting status. I'm a family guy now and like reliable, safe cars with a dose of performance like my 6MT.

But if it makes Moogs feel better , I cry myself to sleep every night for purchasing an "Aztec".

fsttyms1

Seriously, Im all for a good debate, but if I have to go back and delete the last 20 pages except for the 5 or so useful posts im going to be very angry. KNOCK THIS SHIT OFF and lets get this back on topic a little bit.

MeehowsBRZ

The odd part is that some people (skd2k1 I'm looking at you) WANT it to compete with Buick and Lincoln and not full fledged luxury brands. At that point you might as well drop Acura entirely and make Honda's Toyota Avalon.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

lol, now you're just making stuff up.

MeehowsBRZ

I know you're not the brightest bulb but you must realize your posts don't disappear after you post them.

1. You don't think Acura competes in the luxury market and 2. you don't want them to make cars like other luxury brands.

So what are you saying?

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skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

I don't see the part where I said anything about buick? more ad homs. are you capable of having a conversation without resorting to ad homs, grammar policing and fabricating info?

1. that comment was specifically aimed at the "doctor who wants to show off his brand new luxury car."

2. I don't want them to become a bmw/audi clone, we already have bmw/audi/merc/etc for that.

fib said it well:

MeehowsBRZ

How is "Honda plus" anything other then Buick (Chevy plus) or Lincoln (Chevy plus)?

Everything you say describe what those two brands are and are perceived to be, and yet somehow you miss the connection. Just because you don't actually say the word "Buick" (capital B btw) doesn't mean you haven't been comparing the brands this whole time. And you're not tricking anyone into thinking you actually know what "ad homs" means lol.

MeehowsBRZ

Fixed. I'm sure most people will know what I meant.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

I prefer acura styling over buick or lincoln, and I think acura is a better value. I don't really care if you want to compare acura to buick or lincoln, but don't say I'm the one making the comparison. I can compare your brz to the new civic si (which stock, has more power than your brz ), so what?

see above.

lol, you need to visit azine r&p.

Moog-Type-S

I'll let you take that up with him.
Go sell your his way.



As if it is outlandish to look at a concept and production car and judge it's exterior design....umm...ok Pass the this way!

As if it is outlandish to look at the specs and see a NA 4cyl engine and judge a car by that "underpowered" engine as opposed to the other powerplants in it's class. .....again....pass the you are selling!

I never "praised" the concept
I did say it was a good design for Acura.....but then again after seeing the Acura has been designing from the ZDX, TL, RLX.....it's not saying all that much. .....Heck has anyone in the mainstream automotive press "praised" the TLX? Most say it's nice, but nobody is bowled over by it.

....except the fan boys and apologists.

Moog-Type-S

Is the TLX an ugly ducking? By no means.

Is it a class leader? By no means.

Is it nicer than the 4G TL? You bet!

However, this is not the type of design language I, and many others long for from Acura.
I'll wait for the day when Acura get's it head screwed on straight again and produces cars that look like the Legend....and Legend coupe...

They've built cars to lust after before......can they do it again? Sure.

Will they? That's what everyone has been going mad about for over a decade now.

oonowindoo

i was agreeing with you until i remembered you got a 4G TL. lol

See this is the thing Honda+ (Acura) is fine, as long as they offer products that are actually competitive. When the products speak for themselves (example, 2003-05 g35c), the critics, reviews and brand itself will change for the better by themselves.

But when a company is so stubborn to refuse to accept the reality, then that is where Honda+ is not fine anymore.
You know just as many examples (DI, a tranny that has more than 5 gears from 2001, ILX, decision on TSX, 4G, RL and RLX and many many more)as i do from previous 10-15 years, what kind of decision Acura made vs. what actually works.

we have hearing the same news once every year about improvements on Acura yet we do not see anything new. TLX is a new car but it is nothing new..

Yumcha

The Hondas I have lusted for were: NSX, Integra, S2000, Legend (circa early 1990s), and Prelude.


So, just do the math to when the last production model of any of those cars rolled out of the Honda factory and well, that's the last time I was truly OMG-ing over anything Honda-related.

Yumcha

I'll say this, the Honda HSC really got my heart racing...




And then? Honda canned it. The freaking @$$holes.

MeehowsBRZ

Everything you say compares them to each other. You're just not smart enough to actually make that connection.

What competes with your underpowered, overweight, FWD Accord Plus btw?

I really liked the RSX after the refresh too.


this>that Audi R8 looking thing that's coming out next year... maybe

Yumcha

Sure, the RSX was the Integra. The first 3 generations were where it was at, IMO though.

And the DC2 Integra Type R...? Just tits.

Yumcha

And what Moog's rambling about is exactly where a heap of us former "fanbois" are at: The NEW TLX isn't horrid. But, compared to the competition and FORMER competition (please see BMW 3-Series and similar), it just doesn't make us go, holybleepOMG...

I mean, I WANT to. You're talking to a guy who, growing up in Asia, loved everything Honda. And then, lost his mind when Senna was brought in to help develop the amazing NSX...so, in my view, I do need to ask: Why, Honda? Why are you being like this? Be BETTER than just average/vanilla. Push the envelope like you once did. Bring me back.

Yumcha

Best analogy is like a sports team that has been mediocre for many, many years...sure, they may make the playoffs but, no championships...just a middling club. Is there any sense for a fan to remain passionate?

You tell me.





Now excuse my rambling. Going back hunting for reposts.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

it's funny how you have to insult people who disagree with your viewpoint. like I said, if you want to make that connection that's your prerogative.

awww, did my brz comment hurt your feelers?

Acura TL-S vs Lexus IS350 vs Infiniti G35 @ Willow Springs Racetrack

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

The clueless fanboys will never understand how big of a nerdy Honda fanboy I was when I was in high school.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

MeehowsBRZ

JUST STOP RESPONDING BACK TO HIM

PLEASE

oonowindoo

yah show us more videos that we don't know about from almost a decade ago.

and Yes, We all prefer RWD cars because all of us are fighting for the fastest time at Willow springs and all race cars should switch to FF because TL-S record a faster lap time than IS and G35.

we prefer rwd cars because the way it handles and fun factor. Smiles in the corners > understeer frustration in the corners.

you probably have no idea what i am talking about.

skd2k1

iTrader: (1)

I was just responding to meehow's question, if you've got a problem with the content take that up with meehow. I never said or implied that ff>rwd/awd.

...although, in the recent snow storms we had in atl, the rwd cars didn't fare so well. imo, it all depends on what you intend to use the car for.

MeehowsBRZ

Chicago Cubs fans know this all too well.



JS + BRZ, okay I promise I'm done. I don't want to lose any brain cells trying to communicate with that level of ignorance. I should be looking at some more parts to buy instead, its better time management.