Acura: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
02-27-2021, 12:48 PM
#5281
This what C&D consider measuring stick. MDX beat over 311 ft-lb Genesis GV80 in this yard stick. and consider GV80 is overpriced by $5K for lesser performance and higher unreliability with non-existant third row. it will have impact on residuals and certified pre-owned sales.
People aren't saying the GV80 is overpriced, but they are saying the MDX is (even on this forum).
The GV80, like the X5 and GLE are 4/5+2 and aren't meant to be full 3-rows.
That's what the X7 and GLS are for and when Genesis does a GV90.
Acura likes to tout the MDX as being the best selling lux 3-row CUV, but that's because it pretty much is the only one that operates at its pricepoint (there's the QX60, but Infiniti had lost it long ago).
The GV80 is perfectly suitable for its pricepoint which is why it's ATP is $65k, and would be even higher if they had more of the top 3.5T Prestige to sell (the highest trim GV80 which is priced over $70k is the one most in demand).
The competition that the GV80 gets compared to the most are the Germans and the Aviator.
For the MDX, it's the other Japanese FWD 3-rows and maybe the XC90 and Q7.
And when Genesis does a GV90, it'll be at an even greater delta price-wise to the MDX.
The brand that has been suffering from a reliability crisis over the past 5 years or so is Acura, not Genesis - so, again FAIL.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-maintenance/
In the real world, the hybrid seems quicker than the standard CR-V, and its quicker 5-to-60-mph time bears that out.
In the real world, the hybrid seems quicker than the standard CR-V, and its quicker 5-to-60-mph time bears that out.
Ony a blubbering idiot would bring in hybrids to this discussion - which has zero relevance since neither the GV80 or MDX will offer one.
Last edited by YEH; 02-27-2021 at 12:54 PM.
02-27-2021, 02:28 PM
#5282
I only show you what C&D consider as real world performance. in that criteria MDX beat GV80 by half second despite down in pound and horsepower. so all your babbling is worthless.
MDX is more spacious for same turning radius. and only need 255 standard tires.
turbo hyundai are the most unreliable crap every produced.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mar...tion-1.5918348
MDX is more spacious for same turning radius. and only need 255 standard tires.
turbo hyundai are the most unreliable crap every produced.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/mar...tion-1.5918348
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02-28-2021, 12:32 PM
#5283
The MDX is a less expensive alternative to something like the XC90.
The GV80 is a less expensive alternative to the X5 and GLE (well, except when leasing).
But these days, the top trim of the Telluride and Pallisade are seen as less expensive alternatives to the XC90.
And watch out when the next CX-9 launches.
The GV80 is a less expensive alternative to the X5 and GLE (well, except when leasing).
But these days, the top trim of the Telluride and Pallisade are seen as less expensive alternatives to the XC90.
And watch out when the next CX-9 launches.
02-28-2021, 01:00 PM
#5284
10 six cylinder and 4 4 cylinder at this dealer. Six cylinder GV80 sales are already stalling
https://www.dublingenesis.com/new-ge...gv80-dublin-ca
MDX Advance and Aspec you can hardly find on dealer lots.
https://www.dublingenesis.com/new-ge...gv80-dublin-ca
MDX Advance and Aspec you can hardly find on dealer lots.
02-28-2021, 02:51 PM
#5285
^ Already told you that a lot of those listings are phantom listings, and note that only 1 is for the hard to find 3.5T Prestige (buyers have been looking cross the country to find one in the color combo they want to usually little avail).
And oooh, they have a whopping (suposedly) 14 GV80s on the lot.
The Acura dealer in Pleasanton has 57 MDXs on offer, 56 being the old model.
Why do they still have so many of the older MDXs on the lot, esp. with the cash on the hood Acura has on them?
Meanwhile, Bay Area dealerships are still charging $7-8k above MSRP for the Telluride SXP.
It costs thousands more to pick up a Telluride SXP than a comparably equipped 2020MY MDX .
And oooh, they have a whopping (suposedly) 14 GV80s on the lot.
The Acura dealer in Pleasanton has 57 MDXs on offer, 56 being the old model.
Why do they still have so many of the older MDXs on the lot, esp. with the cash on the hood Acura has on them?
Meanwhile, Bay Area dealerships are still charging $7-8k above MSRP for the Telluride SXP.
It costs thousands more to pick up a Telluride SXP than a comparably equipped 2020MY MDX .
02-28-2021, 03:17 PM
#5287
^ You're incredibly dense!
That's the whole point - why does this Acura dealership have so many of the old model laying around, esp. as can be had for a deep discount (talking 15% or more)?
They should have cleared most of them out by now.
At least the (purported) 14 at the Genesis are this year's model, and not 4x the inventory from last year's model.
That's the whole point - why does this Acura dealership have so many of the old model laying around, esp. as can be had for a deep discount (talking 15% or more)?
They should have cleared most of them out by now.
At least the (purported) 14 at the Genesis are this year's model, and not 4x the inventory from last year's model.
02-28-2021, 03:23 PM
#5288
they will cleared as those less advanced models. so need alott simple to build. they will be cleared at market rate.
These are 3.5 engine unlike bigger size Hyundai/Kia 3.8L engine.
Genesis dealers are far smaller in size. they never have much sale.
show me how many used MDX you can find on deep discounts at used car lots that are driven less than 5k miles.
These are 3.5 engine unlike bigger size Hyundai/Kia 3.8L engine.
Genesis dealers are far smaller in size. they never have much sale.
show me how many used MDX you can find on deep discounts at used car lots that are driven less than 5k miles.
03-02-2021, 04:20 PM
#5289
Safety Car
Feb
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https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...-sales-records
Total
106,328
-11.4%
Cars
35,214
-32.7%
Trucks
71,114
+5%
Total
11,553
-5.8%
Cars
2,654
-22.8%
Trucks
8,899
+0.8%
Total
94,775
-12%
Cars
32,560
-33.4%
Trucks
62,215
+5.7%
See accompanying spreadsheet for complete results.
# # #
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...-sales-records
Honda and Acura Trucks Set New February Sales Records
March 2, 2021- Honda trucks record best-ever February sales, rising 5.7%
- Honda Passport (up 18.6%) and HR-V (up 1%) set new February marks
- Fresh redesign propels Honda Ridgeline to 20.7% February gain
- CR-V sales surpass 30,000, rising 7% with boost from strong CR-V Hybrid sales
- All new MDX pushes Acura’s flagship SUV to new February best, climbing 40%
- American Honda electrified vehicle sales jump 96.2% as deliveries reach nearly 8,000 units
Total106,328
-11.4%
Cars
35,214
-32.7%
Trucks
71,114
+5%
Total
11,553
-5.8%
Cars
2,654
-22.8%
Trucks
8,899
+0.8%
Total
94,775
-12%
Cars
32,560
-33.4%
Trucks
62,215
+5.7%
See accompanying spreadsheet for complete results.
# # #
03-02-2021, 05:19 PM
#5290
Incentives are in and those TLX's aren't moving. Trouble with a capital "T"!
03-02-2021, 07:48 PM
#5291
At least they're doing better than in Jan. I think they sold just 1312 that month.
The MDX is selling surprisingly well, about 40% more than January. 2022s weren't available for the better part of Feb so I imagine they must have been putting some serious cash on the hoods of the outgoing 2020 models.
The MDX is selling surprisingly well, about 40% more than January. 2022s weren't available for the better part of Feb so I imagine they must have been putting some serious cash on the hoods of the outgoing 2020 models.
03-03-2021, 01:20 AM
#5292
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It's a bit hard to gauge where the TLX stands as I believe a lot of competitors have moved to quarterly sales reporting instead of monthly. I wasn't able to find data for the C Class, 3 series, CT5, Q50, or A4 for example.
Lexus sold 1900 IS.
Acura sold 1800 TLX.
Volvo sold 1600 S60.
Genesis sold 560 G70.
I think the idea for the TLX is to increase the average transactional price over the last gen. The last gen had a lot of money on the hood and that its MSRP started at $33k instead of $37.5k. Along with the bigger incentives I'd imagine the average sales price is a good $5-$8k more than before. Likely the profit margin was each car sold is more even factoring the additional cost needed to build each car.
Lexus sold 1900 IS.
Acura sold 1800 TLX.
Volvo sold 1600 S60.
Genesis sold 560 G70.
I think the idea for the TLX is to increase the average transactional price over the last gen. The last gen had a lot of money on the hood and that its MSRP started at $33k instead of $37.5k. Along with the bigger incentives I'd imagine the average sales price is a good $5-$8k more than before. Likely the profit margin was each car sold is more even factoring the additional cost needed to build each car.
03-03-2021, 11:54 AM
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Opps too late to edit but added one more model with available data.
It's a bit hard to gauge where the TLX stands as I believe a lot of competitors have moved to quarterly sales reporting instead of monthly. I wasn't able to find data for the C Class, 3 series, CT5, Q50, or A4 for example.
Lexus sold 1900 IS.
Acura sold 1800 TLX.
Volvo sold 1600 S60.
Kia sold 750 Stingers (slightly different class but more of less the same price range as the others in this list).
Genesis sold 560 G70.
I think the idea for the TLX is to increase the average transactional price over the last gen. The last gen had a lot of money on the hood and that its MSRP started at $33k instead of $37.5k. Along with the bigger incentives I'd imagine the average sales price is a good $5-$8k more than before. Likely the profit margin was each car sold is more even factoring the additional cost needed to build each car.
Lexus sold 1900 IS.
Acura sold 1800 TLX.
Volvo sold 1600 S60.
Kia sold 750 Stingers (slightly different class but more of less the same price range as the others in this list).
Genesis sold 560 G70.
I think the idea for the TLX is to increase the average transactional price over the last gen. The last gen had a lot of money on the hood and that its MSRP started at $33k instead of $37.5k. Along with the bigger incentives I'd imagine the average sales price is a good $5-$8k more than before. Likely the profit margin was each car sold is more even factoring the additional cost needed to build each car.
03-13-2021, 05:31 PM
#5296
Acura has 120 days worth of supply, only beaten by Buick and Fiat (about 2.5x the supply for Lexus).
Must still have ample supply of leftover previous gen MDXs on the lot, as well as building inventory of the latest TLX.
Must still have ample supply of leftover previous gen MDXs on the lot, as well as building inventory of the latest TLX.
Last edited by YEH; 03-13-2021 at 05:34 PM.
03-17-2021, 05:46 PM
#5297
Always pull random numbers just to show H/K/Genesis are production constraint. so hence less sales. that is the oldest trick.
Read Post# 5256 again. How accurate was my prediction
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...KBN2B90QR?il=0
Read Post# 5256 again. How accurate was my prediction
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...KBN2B90QR?il=0
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03-23-2021, 12:45 PM
#5299
Always pull random numbers just to show H/K/Genesis are production constraint. so hence less sales. that is the oldest trick.
Read Post# 5256 again. How accurate was my prediction
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...KBN2B90QR?il=0
Read Post# 5256 again. How accurate was my prediction
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-v...KBN2B90QR?il=0
Power Play: Volkswagen abruptly pulls plug on South Korean battery makers
Not random at all, unlike your asinine search for random used vehicle prices (which, again, don't really matter to the manufacturer, plus the ATP of used sales is a much more accurate assessment - which, of course, you dismiss).
Much less your linking the above article - what does that have to do with H/K/G, much less Acura?
In this time of pandemic, it's been the professional and upper class that largely has been untouched financially (if anything, they have increased their gains) - which is why the vast majority of lux brands are experiencing tight inventory levels.
LR - 45
MB - 52
Lexus - 54
Porsche - 64
BMW - 68
MB, BMW and Lexus sell in far greater volume than Acura, and yet their inventory levels are very tight.
LR and Porsche sell at an even higher ATP (in comparison to Acura) than MB, BMW and Lexus, and yet, their inventory levels are very tight.
Among lux brands, Genesis is at the top of the 3rd tier at 97 days supply (largely from the slow selling G70 due to its cramped quarters).
But Acura at 120 is all the way towards the bottom, even doing worse than Infiniti (111 days). LOL
03-23-2021, 01:02 PM
#5300
Honda sells far greater volume than Acura, but has lower supply at 91 days.
Low ATP, high DTT, low profit margins - these are the things that automakers care about, not used car prices.
Low ATP, high DTT, low profit margins - these are the things that automakers care about, not used car prices.
Last edited by YEH; 03-23-2021 at 01:06 PM.
03-23-2021, 01:12 PM
#5301
Not random at all, unlike your asinine search for random used vehicle prices (which, again, don't really matter to the manufacturer, plus the ATP of used sales is a much more accurate assessment - which, of course, you dismiss).
Much less your linking the above article - what does that have to do with H/K/G, much less Acura?
In this time of pandemic, it's been the professional and upper class that largely has been untouched financially (if anything, they have increased their gains) - which is why the vast majority of lux brands are experiencing tight inventory levels.
LR - 45
MB - 52
Lexus - 54
Porsche - 64
BMW - 68
MB, BMW and Lexus sell in far greater volume than Acura, and yet their inventory levels are very tight.
LR and Porsche sell at an even higher ATP (in comparison to Acura) than MB, BMW and Lexus, and yet, their inventory levels are very tight.
Among lux brands, Genesis is at the top of the 3rd tier at 97 days supply (largely from the slow selling G70 due to its cramped quarters).
But Acura at 120 is all the way towards the bottom, even doing worse than Infiniti (111 days). LOL
Much less your linking the above article - what does that have to do with H/K/G, much less Acura?
In this time of pandemic, it's been the professional and upper class that largely has been untouched financially (if anything, they have increased their gains) - which is why the vast majority of lux brands are experiencing tight inventory levels.
LR - 45
MB - 52
Lexus - 54
Porsche - 64
BMW - 68
MB, BMW and Lexus sell in far greater volume than Acura, and yet their inventory levels are very tight.
LR and Porsche sell at an even higher ATP (in comparison to Acura) than MB, BMW and Lexus, and yet, their inventory levels are very tight.
Among lux brands, Genesis is at the top of the 3rd tier at 97 days supply (largely from the slow selling G70 due to its cramped quarters).
But Acura at 120 is all the way towards the bottom, even doing worse than Infiniti (111 days). LOL
European brands even if assembled in US. has engine and transmission and other key components imported unlike Acura which is practically 100% US brand.
your three RWD Genesis sedans has less sales and worse resale value than TLX alone despite free maintaince and longer warranty. i dont know why you keep embrassing yourself by harping about them.
GV80 has first year. second year i will not listen to excuse of constraint supply.
03-23-2021, 01:29 PM
#5302
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Europe and Japan much greater impacted than US and China.
European brands even if assembled in US. has engine and transmission and other key components imported unlike Acura which is practically 100% US brand.
your three RWD Genesis sedans has less sales and worse resale value than TLX alone despite free maintaince and longer warranty. i dont know why you keep embrassing yourself by harping about them.
GV80 has first year. second year i will not listen to excuse of constraint supply.
European brands even if assembled in US. has engine and transmission and other key components imported unlike Acura which is practically 100% US brand.
your three RWD Genesis sedans has less sales and worse resale value than TLX alone despite free maintaince and longer warranty. i dont know why you keep embrassing yourself by harping about them.
GV80 has first year. second year i will not listen to excuse of constraint supply.
03-23-2021, 03:24 PM
#5303
^ He certainly picks the oddest things to be proud of.
Acura is basically a US (and Canada) brand because it pretty much doesn't sell anywhere else, not even in its homeland of Japan (where Honda of Japan just pulled the plug on NSX sales).
BMW and Mercedes build their CUVs here because NA is their biggest market, but they export plenty of them back to Europe, much less other overseas markets.
Acura (even badged as Hondas) exports to...?
Genesis in Korea (barring any unforseen developments) is on pace to outsell Acura in the US, and at a much higher ATP to boot.
Whatever they sell in the US/NA just adds to that, and whatever they sell in other world markets is icing on the cake.
Despite its youth as a marque, Genesis is available in Korea, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UAE, Russia, and will be launching in Europe and the UK this year, as well as China.
Despite a 3 decade head start, as stated, Acura is pretty much a US brand (where it lags well behind all the other lux brands in ATP), where Acura is particularly vulnerable to increasingly luxurious models from mainstream brands, in particular, Mazda, as it goes upscale.
ATP for the Telluride is up to $45.5k - by itself, the Telluride is almost as profitable for Kia as the Acura brand here is for Honda
Acura is basically a US (and Canada) brand because it pretty much doesn't sell anywhere else, not even in its homeland of Japan (where Honda of Japan just pulled the plug on NSX sales).
BMW and Mercedes build their CUVs here because NA is their biggest market, but they export plenty of them back to Europe, much less other overseas markets.
Acura (even badged as Hondas) exports to...?
Genesis in Korea (barring any unforseen developments) is on pace to outsell Acura in the US, and at a much higher ATP to boot.
Whatever they sell in the US/NA just adds to that, and whatever they sell in other world markets is icing on the cake.
Despite its youth as a marque, Genesis is available in Korea, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UAE, Russia, and will be launching in Europe and the UK this year, as well as China.
Despite a 3 decade head start, as stated, Acura is pretty much a US brand (where it lags well behind all the other lux brands in ATP), where Acura is particularly vulnerable to increasingly luxurious models from mainstream brands, in particular, Mazda, as it goes upscale.
ATP for the Telluride is up to $45.5k - by itself, the Telluride is almost as profitable for Kia as the Acura brand here is for Honda
Last edited by YEH; 03-23-2021 at 03:27 PM.
03-23-2021, 03:33 PM
#5304
03-23-2021, 03:40 PM
#5305
The Palisade Calligraphy has been selling well for Hyundai, but overall, one can usually get an upper trim Palisade without having to pay a mark-up like what one has to do for the higher-end Tellurides.
Used Tellurides have been going for MSRP which is why it is KBB's awardee for top resale value for 3-row SUVs.
And let's not forget, the new G80 is predicted to retain the same % of its value as the new TLX, despite being one segment up and higher in price; higher segment/higher priced lux models tend to depreciate more than lower priced models.
A fact that you know who simply overlooks (or more likely, is ignorant of).
Does anyone (aside from you know who) think that Land Rover, Mercedes or BMW really care about the high depreciation rates on the Range Rover, as Class and 7 Series?
They're just smacking their lips at the fat margins those models bring.
Used Tellurides have been going for MSRP which is why it is KBB's awardee for top resale value for 3-row SUVs.
And let's not forget, the new G80 is predicted to retain the same % of its value as the new TLX, despite being one segment up and higher in price; higher segment/higher priced lux models tend to depreciate more than lower priced models.
A fact that you know who simply overlooks (or more likely, is ignorant of).
Does anyone (aside from you know who) think that Land Rover, Mercedes or BMW really care about the high depreciation rates on the Range Rover, as Class and 7 Series?
They're just smacking their lips at the fat margins those models bring.
Last edited by YEH; 03-23-2021 at 03:49 PM.
03-23-2021, 03:55 PM
#5306
Unfortunately for Acura, being primarily a NA brand means that it will be impacted the most by COVID. The US being such a vast country means it'll take a lot longer to stem the tide of new infections compared to other countries and regions like the EU.
03-23-2021, 05:56 PM
#5307
^ He certainly picks the oddest things to be proud of.
Acura is basically a US (and Canada) brand because it pretty much doesn't sell anywhere else, not even in its homeland of Japan (where Honda of Japan just pulled the plug on NSX sales).
BMW and Mercedes build their CUVs here because NA is their biggest market, but they export plenty of them back to Europe, much less other overseas markets.
Acura (even badged as Hondas) exports to...?
Genesis in Korea (barring any unforseen developments) is on pace to outsell Acura in the US, and at a much higher ATP to boot.
Whatever they sell in the US/NA just adds to that, and whatever they sell in other world markets is icing on the cake.
Despite its youth as a marque, Genesis is available in Korea, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UAE, Russia, and will be launching in Europe and the UK this year, as well as China.
Despite a 3 decade head start, as stated, Acura is pretty much a US brand (where it lags well behind all the other lux brands in ATP), where Acura is particularly vulnerable to increasingly luxurious models from mainstream brands, in particular, Mazda, as it goes upscale.
ATP for the Telluride is up to $45.5k - by itself, the Telluride is almost as profitable for Kia as the Acura brand here is for Honda
Acura is basically a US (and Canada) brand because it pretty much doesn't sell anywhere else, not even in its homeland of Japan (where Honda of Japan just pulled the plug on NSX sales).
BMW and Mercedes build their CUVs here because NA is their biggest market, but they export plenty of them back to Europe, much less other overseas markets.
Acura (even badged as Hondas) exports to...?
Genesis in Korea (barring any unforseen developments) is on pace to outsell Acura in the US, and at a much higher ATP to boot.
Whatever they sell in the US/NA just adds to that, and whatever they sell in other world markets is icing on the cake.
Despite its youth as a marque, Genesis is available in Korea, the US, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Israel, the UAE, Russia, and will be launching in Europe and the UK this year, as well as China.
Despite a 3 decade head start, as stated, Acura is pretty much a US brand (where it lags well behind all the other lux brands in ATP), where Acura is particularly vulnerable to increasingly luxurious models from mainstream brands, in particular, Mazda, as it goes upscale.
ATP for the Telluride is up to $45.5k - by itself, the Telluride is almost as profitable for Kia as the Acura brand here is for Honda
Acura has 11 dealerships in SF bayarea. the highest number of any luxury brand. its all working from home digital economy.
your posting irrelevant stuff. Acura does not give you 10 year engine warranty or free maintiance. that alone add $5K to price on $50K vehicle.
strong resale values along with long upkeep keep by consumers keep both used car and maintaince part of Acura dealership afloat in most expensive area of the country. 15 years old TSX sales for $10K while majority 7 years old German brands are out of roads on SF bayarea.
03-24-2021, 11:40 AM
#5308
^ Things that really matter to automakers - ATP, incentive spending relative to ATP, profit margin, days to turn rate, etc. - all areas where Acura lags behind the vast majority of the lux competition.
Says something when Acura is more aligned with Buick and Infiniti in these regards than Genesis, much less the Germans.
You don't ever address any if this - except to say it doesn't matter (when it actually does).
In the forthcomIng EV CUVs for Honda and Acura, how much profit will there be Honda after GM takes its cut?
Not only for the platform, Ultium batteries, On-Star, Supercruise, etc. - but actually building them for Honda..
And oh, LG Chem is the battery supplier - so don't be surprised if there are issues (GM has already faced it with the Bolt), esp. for LG batteries coming out of China (which was the source of faulty batteries).
And you keep repeating the same lame lies over and over again, despite having been corrected numerous time (its as if your brain is incapable of taking in and understanding new and accurate info.).
A longer warranty and maintainance does not add anywhere close to $5k to the price.
Kia doesn't offer "free" maintenance and yet the price of a Telluride aligns very closely to that of the Palisade.
Toyota includes maintenance here and yet their prices didn't go up much at all when they started the program.
Hyundai doesn't offer maintenance or 100k powertrain warranty in most other markets.
In fact, in Australia, Honda offered a 7 yr warranty when Hyundai only offered 5 yrs.
Says something when Acura is more aligned with Buick and Infiniti in these regards than Genesis, much less the Germans.
You don't ever address any if this - except to say it doesn't matter (when it actually does).
In the forthcomIng EV CUVs for Honda and Acura, how much profit will there be Honda after GM takes its cut?
Not only for the platform, Ultium batteries, On-Star, Supercruise, etc. - but actually building them for Honda..
And oh, LG Chem is the battery supplier - so don't be surprised if there are issues (GM has already faced it with the Bolt), esp. for LG batteries coming out of China (which was the source of faulty batteries).
And you keep repeating the same lame lies over and over again, despite having been corrected numerous time (its as if your brain is incapable of taking in and understanding new and accurate info.).
A longer warranty and maintainance does not add anywhere close to $5k to the price.
Kia doesn't offer "free" maintenance and yet the price of a Telluride aligns very closely to that of the Palisade.
Toyota includes maintenance here and yet their prices didn't go up much at all when they started the program.
Hyundai doesn't offer maintenance or 100k powertrain warranty in most other markets.
In fact, in Australia, Honda offered a 7 yr warranty when Hyundai only offered 5 yrs.
Last edited by YEH; 03-24-2021 at 11:54 AM.
03-24-2021, 12:03 PM
#5309
And yet, Honda Australia didn't hike up their prices when they offered the 7 yr coverage.
BMW includes maintenance in their prices, but generally, Mercedes still has higher pricing.
All this had already been explained to you a no. of times, but to little avail.
I'll bet that even after this time, some months from now, you'll rehash the same refuted and untrue claims.
Resale values really don't do jack for the bottom line of an automaker.
The S Class is one of the highest depreciating models out there; the higher you go up the S Class hierarchy (all the way up to the Maybach), the greater the depreciation.
But does Merc care?
No, as the S Class is one of the most profitable models (the S Class makes a good bit more profit for MB than all of Acura).
S Class owners typically turn in their lease after 2-3 years and upgrade to a new model.
And really, who cares about dealerships? They're each their own independent business.
But if we're going to talk about them, Acura dealerships have lagged way behind Lexus dealerships when it comes to profitability, and have seen better days when it comes to profit.
2016 average dealership profit:
Lexus - $3.2 million
Acura - $1.2 million
BMW includes maintenance in their prices, but generally, Mercedes still has higher pricing.
All this had already been explained to you a no. of times, but to little avail.
I'll bet that even after this time, some months from now, you'll rehash the same refuted and untrue claims.
Resale values really don't do jack for the bottom line of an automaker.
The S Class is one of the highest depreciating models out there; the higher you go up the S Class hierarchy (all the way up to the Maybach), the greater the depreciation.
But does Merc care?
No, as the S Class is one of the most profitable models (the S Class makes a good bit more profit for MB than all of Acura).
S Class owners typically turn in their lease after 2-3 years and upgrade to a new model.
And really, who cares about dealerships? They're each their own independent business.
But if we're going to talk about them, Acura dealerships have lagged way behind Lexus dealerships when it comes to profitability, and have seen better days when it comes to profit.
2016 average dealership profit:
Lexus - $3.2 million
Acura - $1.2 million
Last edited by YEH; 03-24-2021 at 12:16 PM.
03-24-2021, 03:44 PM
#5310
And yet, Honda Australia didn't hike up their prices when they offered the 7 yr coverage.
BMW includes maintenance in their prices, but generally, Mercedes still has higher pricing.
All this had already been explained to you a no. of times, but to little avail.
I'll bet that even after this time, some months from now, you'll rehash the same refuted and untrue claims.
Resale values really don't do jack for the bottom line of an automaker.
The S Class is one of the highest depreciating models out there; the higher you go up the S Class hierarchy (all the way up to the Maybach), the greater the depreciation.
But does Merc care?
No, as the S Class is one of the most profitable models (the S Class makes a good bit more profit for MB than all of Acura).
S Class owners typically turn in their lease after 2-3 years and upgrade to a new model.
And really, who cares about dealerships? They're each their own independent business.
But if we're going to talk about them, Acura dealerships have lagged way behind Lexus dealerships when it comes to profitability, and have seen better days when it comes to profit.
2016 average dealership profit:
Lexus - $3.2 million
Acura - $1.2 million
BMW includes maintenance in their prices, but generally, Mercedes still has higher pricing.
All this had already been explained to you a no. of times, but to little avail.
I'll bet that even after this time, some months from now, you'll rehash the same refuted and untrue claims.
Resale values really don't do jack for the bottom line of an automaker.
The S Class is one of the highest depreciating models out there; the higher you go up the S Class hierarchy (all the way up to the Maybach), the greater the depreciation.
But does Merc care?
No, as the S Class is one of the most profitable models (the S Class makes a good bit more profit for MB than all of Acura).
S Class owners typically turn in their lease after 2-3 years and upgrade to a new model.
And really, who cares about dealerships? They're each their own independent business.
But if we're going to talk about them, Acura dealerships have lagged way behind Lexus dealerships when it comes to profitability, and have seen better days when it comes to profit.
2016 average dealership profit:
Lexus - $3.2 million
Acura - $1.2 million
It is not Genesis dealearship in backwater places of SF bayarea like Richmond.
when you give 10 years power train warranty it cost huge for small things getting wrong. try buy 10 years extended warranty from Acura. it cost $4K atleast
Most of Genesis and Hyundais facing fires anyway. so its moot point .
you need park your unreliable crap outside.
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...for-fire-risk/
Genesis Cars Now Added to Hyundai, Kia Recall for Fire Risk
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03-24-2021, 06:53 PM
#5312
Team Owner
and NSX...
But those dont count because the flames from Acura/Honda's fires are superior and more aerodynamic.
But those dont count because the flames from Acura/Honda's fires are superior and more aerodynamic.
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03-25-2021, 12:54 PM
#5313
Not surprisingly, the resident troll doesn't realize how stupid his post is - considering the # of Acura and Honda models recalled for fire risk.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hon...call-1.4205080
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN19Z1L0
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...-risk-68923512
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...re-safety-risk
https://wgntv.com/news/honda-recalls...ver-fire-risk/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DSB-8471
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/honda-r...ial-fire-risk/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/mon...ticle-1.170063
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/a...isk-83701.html
https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/201...r-fire-hazard/
https://www.torquenews.com/1081/acur...tial-fire-risk
But hey, that's not all - there have also been recalls/class action lawsuits for stalling (failing fuel pumps; how would you like to be driving on a busy interstate and then suddenly lose power?) to melting dashboards.
Acura's reliability has been in the dumpster over the past # of years according to both Consumer Reports and JD Power, but of course, the troll knows better than them.
And equally stupid is his thinking that it would be so easy for Acura dealerships to switch to a different, more profitable lux brand.
There are franchise agreements in place which protects the territory for the existing LR, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, etc. dealerships.
But then again, this is all coming from the doofus who thinks that FWD is superior to RWD.
There's a reason why Mazda made the Miata/MX-5 (widely lauded as the best handling model at its pricepoint) RWD, and why Mazda will soon be switching to RWD.
Even Honda knows that RWD is superior (LOL) - which is why they made their MX-5 competitor, the S2000, RWD, much less the original NSX.
Surprise, surprise - the 2 Honda models most reknown for their handling are RWD.
But of course, beyond stupid thinks otherwise (even in the face of what Honda engineers think).
And note, once again, the resident fool doesn't address all the areas Acura lags (well behind) the competition, but instead resorts to posting irrelevant crap.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hon...call-1.4205080
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-h...-idUSKBN19Z1L0
https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...-risk-68923512
https://www.express.co.uk/life-style...re-safety-risk
https://wgntv.com/news/honda-recalls...ver-fire-risk/
https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-DSB-8471
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/honda-r...ial-fire-risk/
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/mon...ticle-1.170063
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/a...isk-83701.html
https://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/201...r-fire-hazard/
https://www.torquenews.com/1081/acur...tial-fire-risk
But hey, that's not all - there have also been recalls/class action lawsuits for stalling (failing fuel pumps; how would you like to be driving on a busy interstate and then suddenly lose power?) to melting dashboards.
Acura's reliability has been in the dumpster over the past # of years according to both Consumer Reports and JD Power, but of course, the troll knows better than them.
And equally stupid is his thinking that it would be so easy for Acura dealerships to switch to a different, more profitable lux brand.
There are franchise agreements in place which protects the territory for the existing LR, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, etc. dealerships.
But then again, this is all coming from the doofus who thinks that FWD is superior to RWD.
There's a reason why Mazda made the Miata/MX-5 (widely lauded as the best handling model at its pricepoint) RWD, and why Mazda will soon be switching to RWD.
Even Honda knows that RWD is superior (LOL) - which is why they made their MX-5 competitor, the S2000, RWD, much less the original NSX.
Surprise, surprise - the 2 Honda models most reknown for their handling are RWD.
But of course, beyond stupid thinks otherwise (even in the face of what Honda engineers think).
And note, once again, the resident fool doesn't address all the areas Acura lags (well behind) the competition, but instead resorts to posting irrelevant crap.
Last edited by YEH; 03-25-2021 at 01:03 PM.
03-25-2021, 02:38 PM
#5314
All these fire risk recall are for older models. no where it is stated to park outside. Its clear Hyunda/Kia/Genesis are much newer models with later manufacturing and much higher risk.
post some statistics of Honda S2000 with wheel base length, weight (current safety standards), ride height, tire and rim width relative to dia and interior room before post none sense about handling of RWD vs FWD. RWD is too much compromise and dont belong to 21st century standard.
post some statistics of Honda S2000 with wheel base length, weight (current safety standards), ride height, tire and rim width relative to dia and interior room before post none sense about handling of RWD vs FWD. RWD is too much compromise and dont belong to 21st century standard.
03-25-2021, 04:00 PM
#5315
Ex-OEM King
All these fire risk recall are for older models. no where it is stated to park outside. Its clear Hyunda/Kia/Genesis are much newer models with later manufacturing and much higher risk.
post some statistics of Honda S2000 with wheel base length, weight (current safety standards), ride height, tire and rim width relative to dia and interior room before post none sense about handling of RWD vs FWD. RWD is too much compromise and dont belong to 21st century standard.
post some statistics of Honda S2000 with wheel base length, weight (current safety standards), ride height, tire and rim width relative to dia and interior room before post none sense about handling of RWD vs FWD. RWD is too much compromise and dont belong to 21st century standard.
From having a S2000 for 4 years I can assure you that it has a short wheelbase, low weight (doesn't meet current safety standards), a super low ride height, tiny wheels compared to modern cars, and absolute dogshit in terms of interior space.
Saying RWD is a compromise is yet another sign of your ignorance.
You willing to admit you were wrong about the GV70's AWD system yet?
03-26-2021, 01:35 AM
#5316
i said RDX AWD system and angles are superior to H/K AWD systems. thats all the intent. it is irrelevant what kind AWD system GV70 as it is not going to compete with RDX that was the original start in the thread.
i wonder how he figure out unique trait of Hyundai buyers. that pilot.
i wonder how he figure out unique trait of Hyundai buyers. that pilot.
03-26-2021, 08:25 AM
#5317
Ex-OEM King
i said RDX AWD system and angles are superior to H/K AWD systems. thats all the intent. it is irrelevant what kind AWD system GV70 as it is not going to compete with RDX that was the original start in the thread.
i wonder how he figure out unique trait of Hyundai buyers. that pilot.
i wonder how he figure out unique trait of Hyundai buyers. that pilot.
When are we going off roading? I'll bring my shitbox Fiat.
03-26-2021, 07:37 PM
#5318
As usual, the resident fool can't get anything correct.
So, 2016MY Accords are old?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hon...call-1.4205080
What about 2019MY Ridgelines?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...l-pump-recall/
2020MY Odysseys can't be old, can it?
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...for-fire-risk/
But getting back to Acura, C/D ranks the new MDX... 13th.
And who really cares about off-road ability?
Only a tiny percentage of buyers of soft-roaders will take them off pavement - likely to the beach or a state park ,and not anything serious.
As tested by Mudfest, Popular Mechanics, etc. - something like the Telluride has more off-road capabilities than what the vast majority will ever do.
For those who really do off-roading, they'll get a Rubicon, Defender or the new Bronco.
And in the not too distant future, H/K/G will have their own proper off-roader BoF SUVs.
Pretty sad when the GV70 has a tonier interior than the MDX, which is a class size up.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/genesis/gv70/2022/2022-genesis-gv70-compact-luxury-suv-interior-review/
Even with the new MDX, it's more in line with the Telluride SXP and Pallisade Calligraphy interior-wise than the GV70, much less the GV80.
So, 2016MY Accords are old?
https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/hon...call-1.4205080
What about 2019MY Ridgelines?
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...l-pump-recall/
2020MY Odysseys can't be old, can it?
https://www.consumerreports.org/car-...for-fire-risk/
But getting back to Acura, C/D ranks the new MDX... 13th.
And who really cares about off-road ability?
Only a tiny percentage of buyers of soft-roaders will take them off pavement - likely to the beach or a state park ,and not anything serious.
As tested by Mudfest, Popular Mechanics, etc. - something like the Telluride has more off-road capabilities than what the vast majority will ever do.
For those who really do off-roading, they'll get a Rubicon, Defender or the new Bronco.
And in the not too distant future, H/K/G will have their own proper off-roader BoF SUVs.
Pretty sad when the GV70 has a tonier interior than the MDX, which is a class size up.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/genesis/gv70/2022/2022-genesis-gv70-compact-luxury-suv-interior-review/
Even with the new MDX, it's more in line with the Telluride SXP and Pallisade Calligraphy interior-wise than the GV70, much less the GV80.
Last edited by YEH; 03-26-2021 at 07:49 PM.
03-27-2021, 01:16 AM
#5319
MDX too new to have any long term ranking
Honda recalls are precautionary. but now where written to park cars outside. where it can be robbed in un safe streets.
Honda has best AWD system for standard tires on snow and sand where most people use. No H/K group vehicle can match overall performance of Honda Passport and Pilot. the rest are just subjective rankings like car of the year.
Honda recalls are precautionary. but now where written to park cars outside. where it can be robbed in un safe streets.
Honda has best AWD system for standard tires on snow and sand where most people use. No H/K group vehicle can match overall performance of Honda Passport and Pilot. the rest are just subjective rankings like car of the year.
03-27-2021, 06:40 PM
#5320
Ex-OEM King
Bro, when are we going to an off road park? Bring any Honda or Acura product you like on whatever tires/rims you want. I'll bring my crappy Fiat and we can see how good the AWD system is.
Seriously, I will meet you anywhere in the lower 48. Only catch is that I get to video the whole thing.
Seriously, I will meet you anywhere in the lower 48. Only catch is that I get to video the whole thing.