Acura: Sales, Marketing, and Financial News
05-23-2021, 01:11 PM
#5441
Where's Acura in Europe?
In fact, where's Acura in its own domestic market? Lol
If we're going to talk bargain basement "lux" brands, one has no need to look further than Acura.
A brand that pretty much solely exists to sell tarted-up up FWD variants in just the US and Canada.
A brand in which its flagship segment sedan competes against the 3 Series.
Acura never even tried to compete in the flagship sedan class failed miserably in the midsize segment with the RL/RLX.
A brand in which its flagship CUV gets the negative in whether its interior can be regarded as luxury (don't ever see something like that in regards to the GV80; in fact, get the opposite - saying that its interior is befitting the class above).
A brand which sells a tarted-up up Civic (and the old one at that) which is inferior to said Civic; not to mention being tops at one point for being the most disappointing/least satisfactory model by owners according to Consumer Reports.
A brand which actually sold that was essentially the JDM Civic in Canada as the CSX, which was the replacement for another rebadged Civic, the EL.
A brand which rebadged and sold an Isuzu (SLX, rebadged Trooper).
A brand in which its initial offering and long time flagship model (Legend) had to be co-developed with Rover.
Going back to the domestic market, one would be hard pressed to find any other luxury brands which don't exist in its home market.
Only one can think of is Infiniti. Lol
But even there, there is a difference.
Nissan in Japan at least had some success selling luxury sedans in Japan with the President, Cima and Fuga.
But there's more than that to which Acura and Infiniti have in common.
They both are among the lux brands in the US with the highest incentive spending relative to ATP.
But at least Infiniti has an ATP within reach of $50k.
Acura only recently pushed past the $40k threshold and is the lux brand with the lowest ATP by far (unless one counts Buick as a lux brand).
Can't get more bargain basement than that (Genesis' ATP is well over $10k higher than Acura's).
And speaking of Mazda, at least small, tiny Mazda has the cajones to go ahead with developing a RWD platform and straight 6 on top of that (if little Mazda can do it, why can't Honda?).
Why would enthusiasts choose Acura (with its inherent flaws) over the upcoming RWD Mazdas?
The fact that Mazdas have sleeker sheetmetal and more elegant interior is cherry on top,
As for the G80, already getting kudos by the European auto press.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8SjcnXLTKA
Seen as a legitimate competitor to the Germans (com8ng from a German), that's something the RL/RLX never managed to do.
And so what about India?
HMG has a leading position there, as the do in Russia, Brazil, Mexico, the Middle East, Australia, Europe, etc.
Much better to diversify your markets than to be beholden to China and the whims if Beijing.
If that island dispute flares up again (and it will), Honda can kiss those sales goodbye and their 50% of the profits.
In fact, where's Acura in its own domestic market? Lol
If we're going to talk bargain basement "lux" brands, one has no need to look further than Acura.
A brand that pretty much solely exists to sell tarted-up up FWD variants in just the US and Canada.
A brand in which its flagship segment sedan competes against the 3 Series.
Acura never even tried to compete in the flagship sedan class failed miserably in the midsize segment with the RL/RLX.
A brand in which its flagship CUV gets the negative in whether its interior can be regarded as luxury (don't ever see something like that in regards to the GV80; in fact, get the opposite - saying that its interior is befitting the class above).
A brand which sells a tarted-up up Civic (and the old one at that) which is inferior to said Civic; not to mention being tops at one point for being the most disappointing/least satisfactory model by owners according to Consumer Reports.
A brand which actually sold that was essentially the JDM Civic in Canada as the CSX, which was the replacement for another rebadged Civic, the EL.
A brand which rebadged and sold an Isuzu (SLX, rebadged Trooper).
A brand in which its initial offering and long time flagship model (Legend) had to be co-developed with Rover.
Going back to the domestic market, one would be hard pressed to find any other luxury brands which don't exist in its home market.
Only one can think of is Infiniti. Lol
But even there, there is a difference.
Nissan in Japan at least had some success selling luxury sedans in Japan with the President, Cima and Fuga.
But there's more than that to which Acura and Infiniti have in common.
They both are among the lux brands in the US with the highest incentive spending relative to ATP.
But at least Infiniti has an ATP within reach of $50k.
Acura only recently pushed past the $40k threshold and is the lux brand with the lowest ATP by far (unless one counts Buick as a lux brand).
Can't get more bargain basement than that (Genesis' ATP is well over $10k higher than Acura's).
And speaking of Mazda, at least small, tiny Mazda has the cajones to go ahead with developing a RWD platform and straight 6 on top of that (if little Mazda can do it, why can't Honda?).
Why would enthusiasts choose Acura (with its inherent flaws) over the upcoming RWD Mazdas?
The fact that Mazdas have sleeker sheetmetal and more elegant interior is cherry on top,
As for the G80, already getting kudos by the European auto press.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y8SjcnXLTKA
Seen as a legitimate competitor to the Germans (com8ng from a German), that's something the RL/RLX never managed to do.
And so what about India?
HMG has a leading position there, as the do in Russia, Brazil, Mexico, the Middle East, Australia, Europe, etc.
Much better to diversify your markets than to be beholden to China and the whims if Beijing.
If that island dispute flares up again (and it will), Honda can kiss those sales goodbye and their 50% of the profits.
Last edited by YEH; 05-23-2021 at 01:20 PM.
05-23-2021, 04:11 PM
#5442
The definition of bargain basement brand is that it gives you more features, bigger engine, bigger volume, more customization, longer warranty and free maintainance for the price
Even though TLX is larger in size from outside but interior volume and cargo volume is similar to 3 series. Acura is determined not make Acura has bargain brand to give you more interior space for given price.
Than there is price adjustment due to import vs domestic.
you can write useless paragraphs. but it didnot change that fact Genesis is starting as bargain brand Europe. it has 2.2 liter diesel engine. while it competition has 2.0L engine.
Even though TLX is larger in size from outside but interior volume and cargo volume is similar to 3 series. Acura is determined not make Acura has bargain brand to give you more interior space for given price.
Than there is price adjustment due to import vs domestic.
you can write useless paragraphs. but it didnot change that fact Genesis is starting as bargain brand Europe. it has 2.2 liter diesel engine. while it competition has 2.0L engine.
05-23-2021, 06:09 PM
#5443
The definition of bargain basement brand is that it gives you more features, bigger engine, bigger volume, more customization, longer warranty and free maintainance for the price
Otoh, let's hear from Acura execs who have admitted that Acura is not a Tier 1 brand .
https://www.autoweek.com/news/a19957...xury-identity/
But the recession knocked Acura's ambition to become a first-tier luxury player way off course.
To hold down costs, two years ago Honda executives in Japan halted plans for a V-8 engine and rear-wheel drive. Now Acura is still trying to figure out "who we are and who we want to be," said Vicki Poponi, American Honda Motor Co.'s assistant vice president for product planning.
The best Poponi can muster is that Acura is the brand "for people not comfortable wearing BMW or Mercedes."At the same time, Poponi said, marketing to "anti-snobs" probably isn't the best formula. Instead, Acura is aiming its "smart luxury" message squarely at Gen Y, the generation struggling with diminished earning power and a mountain of college loan debt.
"Attainability is still cool to them, and they like nice things," Poponi said. "But they're happy with a Coach bag; they don't need Louis Vuitton."
That still doesn't gain Acura credence in the luxury-vehicle fight. Acura buyers' two most cross-shopped brands are Honda and Toyota, although BMW, Audi, Infiniti and Lexus are close behind, according to Edmunds.com.Also, Acura's average transaction price of $37,665 is $5,000 less than its nearest luxury competitor, according to TrueCar. Edmunds says the most traded-in vehicles for an Acura -- besides another Acura -- are Honda, Toyota and Nissan.
All this categorizes Acura as a move-up brand from the mass market, but not something aspired to by other luxury customers.
"Acura's identity isn't clear to many luxury buyers," said Jesse Toprak, TrueCar vice president of industry trends and insights. "If I'm spending that kind of money, do I want an Acura, or a BMW or Benz? Acura simply doesn't have the same prestige. Once you hit the $45,000-plus market, many buying decisions are based on image."
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Which why the RL/RLX failed miserably.
So, just as they've stated - Acura is akin to Coach, not Louis Vuitton. LolOne thing an RSX revival won't be is a reprise of the Canadian market Acura CSX, which is scarcely more than a rebadged Honda Civic.
"That is a poster child for how not to do it," Center said. "Acura needs to be more than Honda-plus."
That's coming from a Honda exec, Center.
The tagline smart luxury is code for more like premium as opposed to true luxury so you won't have to pay as much (not a coincidence that Lincoln used a similar tagline of quiet luxury).
From TOV...
According to sources, Acura dealers are being told that going forward, Acura will be abandoning the "Tier 1" initiative. The new focus is said to be "Smart Luxury".
- The dealers have been told that the NSX replacement is no longer in a holding pattern - it's pretty much dead for good.
- The next RL will be a hybrid, and there is virtually zero chance of seeing a V8.
- Acura is developing a new V6 series as the J-series has reached its limits
- Acura is working on a smaller entry level vehicle that will slot in below the TSX, though the timetable is unknown (Editor's note: if it's been planned and approved, then it should join the lineup within 3 years)
- Acura is currently mum on any diesel plans.
Following the meetings I attended in October with Honda CEO Takanobu Ito and Executive Vice President Koichi Kondo, none of this information comes as a surprise. In fact, following our Tokyo Q&A session, the only conclusion that one could take from Ito-san's comments was that Acura's previously stated "Tier 1" initiatives were completely incompatible with his plans for Honda going forward, and that they would be changing. Now, with according to this source these changes are beginning to be communicated to the dealer body. It is my understanding that Acura is not planning a press conference for the Detroit Auto Show, so it will be interesting to see how long it takes for them to formulate a message to present to the public.
https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=866545
Even though TLX is larger in size from outside but interior volume and cargo volume is similar to 3 series. Acura is determined not make Acura has bargain brand to give you more interior space for given price.
So you make something as big and heavy as other midsize sedans, but only offer compact size room (actually less than many compacts)? Lol
Regardless, doesn't change the fact that Acura's 5 Series sized sedan is priced like the 3 Series and not the 5er.
While the Genesis 5 Series sized sedan undercuts the 5er, it's still in the midsize price range as opposed to the compact price range like the TLX.
That's the very definition of bargain basement.
Just like how the compact sized ILX doesn't compete against the 3 Series, etc. in price, but the subcompacts like the A3.
Than there is price adjustment due to import vs domestic.
The MDX is cheaper than actual domestics like the Aviator and XT6.
Furthermore, the Korean built Tucson (until the latest model) was cheaper than the US built CR-V or RAV4.
you can write useless paragraphs. but it didnot change that fact Genesis is starting as bargain brand Europe. it has 2.2 liter diesel engine. while it competition has 2.0L engine.
The Germans, in fact, offer smaller displacement engines such as a 1.6L petrol in their midsizers.
That's not luxury - offering tiny displacement engines with weak power, but that is necessary for the Euro market due to the displacement/CO2 tax rate.
The G80 only offering a 2.5L petrol engine with no hybrid is going to hurt them in Europe until electrics take over (electric G80 will cover that).
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05-23-2021, 06:14 PM
#5444
Really have to go no further than what Honda execs have stated themselves.
But the fact that Acura sold a rebadged Mitsu, Rover and Civic also doesn't help the luxury case.
But the fact that Acura sold a rebadged Mitsu, Rover and Civic also doesn't help the luxury case.
05-23-2021, 06:32 PM
#5445
This is 2010 link and it has no relevance as other brands have devalued over time. so Acura automatically Tier-1 relative to competition.
2.2L liter is 10% larger. so why you think it is not much larger
Honda sells 1.5L Petrol and 2.0 Hybrid.in CRV while Toyota sells 2.5 L hybrid in RAV4.
base Lincoln Aviator has 3.0 Twin turbo engine. (MDX single Turbo will be alot expensive). Aviator is bigger vehicle.
Try buy extended warranty to 10 years with 3 years maintainance with TLX and see how much you add to the price. TLX is most expensive domestic vehicle in base form.
2.2L liter is 10% larger. so why you think it is not much larger
Honda sells 1.5L Petrol and 2.0 Hybrid.in CRV while Toyota sells 2.5 L hybrid in RAV4.
base Lincoln Aviator has 3.0 Twin turbo engine. (MDX single Turbo will be alot expensive). Aviator is bigger vehicle.
Try buy extended warranty to 10 years with 3 years maintainance with TLX and see how much you add to the price. TLX is most expensive domestic vehicle in base form.
05-23-2021, 06:34 PM
#5446
They test the market with rebadged vehicles. they get alot of data. Next generation of solid state batteries coming after the first two Honda and Acura vehicles with GM platform.
05-23-2021, 07:32 PM
#5447
Genesis G90 is 10K miles while RLX is 20K miles. out of warranty Acura demolishes in resale values.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd...323617364.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd...325409911.html
MDX hybrid over 70K miles out of warranty and still 50% resale value.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...315540387.html
Seem Genesis dealers are creating sales hype. less than 1K miles driven and already $20k lower price. no one dump high end Acuras like that.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd...323617364.html
2018 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD Sedan 4D sedan Black - FINANCE - $38,590 (TOUCHLESS DELIVERY TO YOUR HOME)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/ctd...325409911.html
2018 Genesis G90 3.3T Premium Sedan 4D sedan White - FINANCE ONLINE - $39,990 (TOUCHLESS DELIVERY TO YOUR HOME)
MDX hybrid over 70K miles out of warranty and still 50% resale value.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...315540387.html
2017 Acura MDX Sport Hybrid SH-AWD w/Advance Pkg Sport Utility 4D suv - $31,990 (TOUCHLESS DELIVERY TO YOUR HOME)
Seem Genesis dealers are creating sales hype. less than 1K miles driven and already $20k lower price. no one dump high end Acuras like that.
https://www.dgdg.com/inventory/used-...f54jh1ku061717
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2019 GENESIS G90 5.0 ULTIMATE
This DGDG Certified 2019 Genesis G90 5.0 Ultimate with only 45 miles was meticulously inspected and reconditioned by our service team--including a new battery. DGDG Certified Used Cars offer a 12-Month/12,000-Mile Limited Powertrain Warranty, a 3-Day/250-Mile Money-Back Guarantee, an Exclusive 160-Point Vehicle Inspection, Premium Tire and Brake Reconditioning Standards, Third-Party Price Validation, and a Vehicle History Report.
05-24-2021, 03:50 PM
#5448
^Trolling CL again, I see. Lol
Give it up, can easily give examples (as had already done) of Acuras having a greater depreciation hit.
US pricing for the GV70 has been released.
Base model starts at $41k with the top 3.5T Prestige at $62.5k.
The RDX starts at $38.4k and crests at $51k for the PMC Edition.
The top GV70 trim is $11.5k more and it's not even a special edition like the PMC.
That $62.5k is even higher than for the MDX which tops out at $60.6k.
That's the difference between a true lux marque and a bargain basement one.
That's what half-arsed lux brands do.
You think Honda is the only one looking into SS batteries? Lol
Honda is going to be late to the market with the VW ID models already having launched/or launching, the Mach E having launched and the Ioniq 5 and EV6 about to launch.
Give it up, can easily give examples (as had already done) of Acuras having a greater depreciation hit.
US pricing for the GV70 has been released.
Base model starts at $41k with the top 3.5T Prestige at $62.5k.
The RDX starts at $38.4k and crests at $51k for the PMC Edition.
The top GV70 trim is $11.5k more and it's not even a special edition like the PMC.
That $62.5k is even higher than for the MDX which tops out at $60.6k.
That's the difference between a true lux marque and a bargain basement one.
You think Honda is the only one looking into SS batteries? Lol
Honda is going to be late to the market with the VW ID models already having launched/or launching, the Mach E having launched and the Ioniq 5 and EV6 about to launch.
Last edited by YEH; 05-24-2021 at 03:57 PM.
05-24-2021, 09:10 PM
#5449
^Trolling CL again, I see. Lol
Give it up, can easily give examples (as had already done) of Acuras having a greater depreciation hit.
US pricing for the GV70 has been released.
Base model starts at $41k with the top 3.5T Prestige at $62.5k.
The RDX starts at $38.4k and crests at $51k for the PMC Edition.
The top GV70 trim is $11.5k more and it's not even a special edition like the PMC.
That $62.5k is even higher than for the MDX which tops out at $60.6k.
That's the difference between a true lux marque and a bargain basement one.
That's what half-arsed lux brands do.
You think Honda is the only one looking into SS batteries? Lol
Honda is going to be late to the market with the VW ID models already having launched/or launching, the Mach E having launched and the Ioniq 5 and EV6 about to launch.
Give it up, can easily give examples (as had already done) of Acuras having a greater depreciation hit.
US pricing for the GV70 has been released.
Base model starts at $41k with the top 3.5T Prestige at $62.5k.
The RDX starts at $38.4k and crests at $51k for the PMC Edition.
The top GV70 trim is $11.5k more and it's not even a special edition like the PMC.
That $62.5k is even higher than for the MDX which tops out at $60.6k.
That's the difference between a true lux marque and a bargain basement one.
That's what half-arsed lux brands do.
You think Honda is the only one looking into SS batteries? Lol
Honda is going to be late to the market with the VW ID models already having launched/or launching, the Mach E having launched and the Ioniq 5 and EV6 about to launch.
Battery powered vehicles need more semi conductors as everything digitally controlled. and over the air updates. Considering semiconductor shortages. Tesla has been rising prices monthly with months of waiting now.
Just because a vehicle is launched. it does not mean it is profitable.
base RDX is FWD vehicle.
GV70 has much larger engine, AWD and better equipped. it need to sell higher priced models as volume will be much less.
Remember Genesis is bankrupt brand in front of Acura. No Genesis dealership network at prime locations. No Factories in North America. and even Factory built in North America. i doubt engine/transmission will be built here.
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05-25-2021, 12:40 PM
#5450
C/D did a comparison of the G80 with the E450.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...z-e450-4matic/
The current E-class generation has been around since 2016, and the interior's design doesn't feel as modern as the G80's, even if the cabin remains beautifully assembled. Updates for 2021 include a wonky and frustrating touchpad infotainment interface that replaces the old car's more intuitive controller knob. The Benz's wood and leather are nice, but the G80's details create a next-level experience. Dressed up in the Prestige pack's quilted leather and microsuede headliner, the G80's cabin looks like it belongs in a six-figure car. We marveled at the exquisitely knurled knobs, the look and action of the window switches and shift knob, the door-panel material that begs to be touched, and the crisp and futuristic gauge-cluster and infotainment displays. As tested, the G80 cost $66,645—nearly $9000 less than the E450.
Don't see comments like that for the interiors of Acura products.
In fact, see the opposite - wondering whether the interior is luxury?
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...-drive-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...iew-pros-cons/
The TLX is more apt to be compared to the likes of the ES - another tarted-up FWD Japanese.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexu...uick-lacrosse/
Even Acura does it on their website.
https://www.acura.com/compare/lexus-es-vs-acura-tlx
Acura also compares the TLX to both the A4 and the A6.
That's the problem with the TLX, it's neither here nor there (dimensions of a midsizer, but the interior space and pricing of a compact) - that's the hallmark of being bargain basement (not being able to compete head-on).
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...z-e450-4matic/
The current E-class generation has been around since 2016, and the interior's design doesn't feel as modern as the G80's, even if the cabin remains beautifully assembled. Updates for 2021 include a wonky and frustrating touchpad infotainment interface that replaces the old car's more intuitive controller knob. The Benz's wood and leather are nice, but the G80's details create a next-level experience. Dressed up in the Prestige pack's quilted leather and microsuede headliner, the G80's cabin looks like it belongs in a six-figure car. We marveled at the exquisitely knurled knobs, the look and action of the window switches and shift knob, the door-panel material that begs to be touched, and the crisp and futuristic gauge-cluster and infotainment displays. As tested, the G80 cost $66,645—nearly $9000 less than the E450.
Don't see comments like that for the interiors of Acura products.
In fact, see the opposite - wondering whether the interior is luxury?
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...-drive-review/
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...iew-pros-cons/
The TLX is more apt to be compared to the likes of the ES - another tarted-up FWD Japanese.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/lexu...uick-lacrosse/
Even Acura does it on their website.
https://www.acura.com/compare/lexus-es-vs-acura-tlx
Acura also compares the TLX to both the A4 and the A6.
That's the problem with the TLX, it's neither here nor there (dimensions of a midsizer, but the interior space and pricing of a compact) - that's the hallmark of being bargain basement (not being able to compete head-on).
05-26-2021, 10:12 AM
#5451
I am not sure why you bring it. This shows car is deficient in handlling. only can pull 0.87G despite 275 width tires in the rear. The car is already slow despite 3.5L engine. Quarter mile trap speed nothing to brag about it despite no no extra weight of AWD. who is going to use it all weather.
It may not be overprice relative to German
who cares about value at those price. when engine is not refined and peformance is not there.
Highs: Gorgeous interior, impressive noise isolation, amazing value.
Lows: Engine can't match the Benz's refinement, a bit floaty at the limit, having to explain the brand to everyone.
It may not be overprice relative to German
who cares about value at those price. when engine is not refined and peformance is not there.
Highs: Gorgeous interior, impressive noise isolation, amazing value.
Lows: Engine can't match the Benz's refinement, a bit floaty at the limit, having to explain the brand to everyone.
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05-26-2021, 05:16 PM
#5452
LMAO!
You're such the noob.
Is this the best you can do?
A straight-6 is inherently more refined than a V6, and on top of that, a straight-6 in a hybrid set-up has to work less to deliver torque - hence, even less NVH.
Just like how a RWD/longitudinal layout is inherently better suited for handling/weight distribution and performance than a FWD/transverse layout.
And you know what is even more refined than an inline-6 hybrid set-up?
Pure electric which the G80 will get.
The G80 is ranked #2 in the segment by C/D after the AMG E53 - which is nearly double the price.
Where is Acura's entry in the segment (which isn't even the flagship sedan segment)?
Have to drop down to the entry-level/compact segment to find Acura's top sedan where C/D has it ranked 9th, 8 spots after the again, 2nd ranked Genesis compact offering.
Acura's present flagship, the MDX is ranked 13th; the GV80 is ranked #1.
The RDX is ranked 20th (6.5 rating); when C/D gets around to reviewing/ranking the GV70, expect it to land 2nd or 3rd after the Macan/Turbo.
When C/D compiled their 2021 Editors' Choice list - not one Acura model made the cut.
But every Genesis model made the list.
But guess that's still better than the tarted-up (old) Civic, the ILX, getting panned as the most disappointing/least satisfactory vehicle by owners in a Consumer Reports survey.
12.9s for the 1/4 mi isn't bad for a large sedan which geared more towards lux/comfort than performance.
C/D got a ponderous 14.5s with the TLX.
The Sonata N-Line was almost a full second quicker at 13.6s. LOL
C/D is predicting a 13.7s time for the S-Type, which would not only be a good bit slower than the one-segment up G80, but even slower than the Sonata. Double LOL
There's going to be a more performance oriented G80 (Sport) - which is getting more power and will embarrass the S-Type even further.
You're such the noob.
Is this the best you can do?
A straight-6 is inherently more refined than a V6, and on top of that, a straight-6 in a hybrid set-up has to work less to deliver torque - hence, even less NVH.
Just like how a RWD/longitudinal layout is inherently better suited for handling/weight distribution and performance than a FWD/transverse layout.
And you know what is even more refined than an inline-6 hybrid set-up?
Pure electric which the G80 will get.
The G80 is ranked #2 in the segment by C/D after the AMG E53 - which is nearly double the price.
Where is Acura's entry in the segment (which isn't even the flagship sedan segment)?
Have to drop down to the entry-level/compact segment to find Acura's top sedan where C/D has it ranked 9th, 8 spots after the again, 2nd ranked Genesis compact offering.
Acura's present flagship, the MDX is ranked 13th; the GV80 is ranked #1.
The RDX is ranked 20th (6.5 rating); when C/D gets around to reviewing/ranking the GV70, expect it to land 2nd or 3rd after the Macan/Turbo.
When C/D compiled their 2021 Editors' Choice list - not one Acura model made the cut.
But every Genesis model made the list.
But guess that's still better than the tarted-up (old) Civic, the ILX, getting panned as the most disappointing/least satisfactory vehicle by owners in a Consumer Reports survey.
12.9s for the 1/4 mi isn't bad for a large sedan which geared more towards lux/comfort than performance.
C/D got a ponderous 14.5s with the TLX.
The Sonata N-Line was almost a full second quicker at 13.6s. LOL
C/D is predicting a 13.7s time for the S-Type, which would not only be a good bit slower than the one-segment up G80, but even slower than the Sonata. Double LOL
There's going to be a more performance oriented G80 (Sport) - which is getting more power and will embarrass the S-Type even further.
Last edited by YEH; 05-26-2021 at 05:30 PM.
05-26-2021, 05:33 PM
#5453
And the Electric G80 will make total mince-meat out of the Type S.
Even when you try to troll, it's totally pathetic.
Even when you try to troll, it's totally pathetic.
05-26-2021, 06:00 PM
#5454
Sonata has 2.5T engine and much lighter vehicle.
Electric G80 will be so heavy and expensive that no one will buy it and i have doubt it can sustain higher trap speed.
and there is zero chance it can beat TLX Type S in handling. Atleast you admit current Genesis line up cannot perform better than Current Acura on standard tires. thats why bringing electric vehicles.
No amount of money spent on ads will change Genesis fortune. it will still stay sales laggard.
Electric G80 will be so heavy and expensive that no one will buy it and i have doubt it can sustain higher trap speed.
and there is zero chance it can beat TLX Type S in handling. Atleast you admit current Genesis line up cannot perform better than Current Acura on standard tires. thats why bringing electric vehicles.
No amount of money spent on ads will change Genesis fortune. it will still stay sales laggard.
05-26-2021, 07:58 PM
#5455
So it's Hyundai's fault that they put in a better engine and the Sonata isn't a fat pig like the TLX?
You have nothing but the most pathetic excuses.
Isn't Acura supposed to be a performance oriented "lux" brand?
This 2015 Auto News article does a good job of spelling things out...
https://www.autonews.com/article/201...-germans-lexus
For Wallace and other dealers who sell luxury brands such as Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura and Infiniti, banging away is a fact of life. Try as they might, those second-tier brands, with the exception of surging Audi, have struggled to make inroads against the powerful triumvirate at the top: BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus.
Dealer Bill Wallace: "We continue to bang away at" luring BMW and Lexus owners.
The big three brands enjoy an enviable combination of advantages -- deep product lineups, global reach, strong residual values and rock-solid brand images -- that aspiring brands cannot match.
Cross-shopping data show that customers of the aspiring brands are more likely to defect to one of the big three or Audi than the other way around.
The top three brands enjoy higher loyalty rates than the brands fighting to join the club: 58 percent of Mercedes-Benz owners who went shopping in 2014 stayed loyal to the brand, followed by BMW at 53 percent and Lexus at 52 percent, according to IHS data. Among other brands, only Lincoln hit the 50 percent mark.
Chris Sutton, vice president of auto retail for J.D. Power and Associates, says customers of the top three luxury brands cross shop the other two far more than they do the brands in the second group, with the possible exception of Audi.
"Among customers who bought a BMW in 2014, 21 percent visited an Audi dealer, 20 percent of them visited a Mercedes dealer and 14 percent visited Lexus," Sutton said. "Everything after Lexus is in single digits."
This quote pretty much sums it up for Acura.
"Acura should stay with what it's good at, and it's good at making reliable luxury cars that will hold their value, cars that do very well in the certified pre-owned market."
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Isn't that what you've been banging about all this time? Lol
Since this article was written, Lexus has dropped and Audi has.elevated itself half a Tier - both being at the 1.5 Tier.
And there's more...
https://www.autonews.com/article/201...-luxury-rivals
With Acura’s semi-conservative approach to competing with so-called ‘second-tier’ luxury brands, they will put themselves into an attractive position for consumers looking to slip into the luxury auto market for the first time.
Actually, Acura never really has tried to directly take on BMW and Mercedes.
Which is why Acura tends to get cross-shopped with Honda and Toyota, and Buick (did you see that - Buick!).
And uhm, the TLX's competitor, the G70, out handles the fat pig that is the TLX.
What's even more embarrassing is that the one segment higher G80 out classes the TLX when it comes to performance.
C/D testing
G80 vs TLX (turbo-4)
0-60 - 5.7 vs 5.9
0-100 - 14.1 vs 15.3
rolling start - 6.6 vs 6.5
top gear (30-50 mph) - 3.4 vs 3.7
top gear (50-70 mph) - 4.3 vs 4.7
1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 100 mph vs 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft vs 177 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g vs 0.87 g
You have nothing but the most pathetic excuses.
Isn't Acura supposed to be a performance oriented "lux" brand?
This 2015 Auto News article does a good job of spelling things out...
https://www.autonews.com/article/201...-germans-lexus
For Wallace and other dealers who sell luxury brands such as Cadillac, Lincoln, Acura and Infiniti, banging away is a fact of life. Try as they might, those second-tier brands, with the exception of surging Audi, have struggled to make inroads against the powerful triumvirate at the top: BMW, Mercedes-Benz and Lexus.
Dealer Bill Wallace: "We continue to bang away at" luring BMW and Lexus owners.
The big three brands enjoy an enviable combination of advantages -- deep product lineups, global reach, strong residual values and rock-solid brand images -- that aspiring brands cannot match.
Cross-shopping data show that customers of the aspiring brands are more likely to defect to one of the big three or Audi than the other way around.
The top three brands enjoy higher loyalty rates than the brands fighting to join the club: 58 percent of Mercedes-Benz owners who went shopping in 2014 stayed loyal to the brand, followed by BMW at 53 percent and Lexus at 52 percent, according to IHS data. Among other brands, only Lincoln hit the 50 percent mark.
Chris Sutton, vice president of auto retail for J.D. Power and Associates, says customers of the top three luxury brands cross shop the other two far more than they do the brands in the second group, with the possible exception of Audi.
"Among customers who bought a BMW in 2014, 21 percent visited an Audi dealer, 20 percent of them visited a Mercedes dealer and 14 percent visited Lexus," Sutton said. "Everything after Lexus is in single digits."
This quote pretty much sums it up for Acura.
"Acura should stay with what it's good at, and it's good at making reliable luxury cars that will hold their value, cars that do very well in the certified pre-owned market."
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Isn't that what you've been banging about all this time? Lol
Since this article was written, Lexus has dropped and Audi has.elevated itself half a Tier - both being at the 1.5 Tier.
And there's more...
https://www.autonews.com/article/201...-luxury-rivals
Acura Continues to Revamp Line to Compete with Tier 2 Luxury Brands
Honda’s luxury division plans to continue their product line revamp to put them in a better position to challenge second-tier luxury brand rivals such as Audi, Buick, Infiniti and Volvo. Acura’s new positioning will not focus so much on directly competing with the likings of BMW, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz.With Acura’s semi-conservative approach to competing with so-called ‘second-tier’ luxury brands, they will put themselves into an attractive position for consumers looking to slip into the luxury auto market for the first time.
Actually, Acura never really has tried to directly take on BMW and Mercedes.
Which is why Acura tends to get cross-shopped with Honda and Toyota, and Buick (did you see that - Buick!).
And uhm, the TLX's competitor, the G70, out handles the fat pig that is the TLX.
What's even more embarrassing is that the one segment higher G80 out classes the TLX when it comes to performance.
C/D testing
G80 vs TLX (turbo-4)
0-60 - 5.7 vs 5.9
0-100 - 14.1 vs 15.3
rolling start - 6.6 vs 6.5
top gear (30-50 mph) - 3.4 vs 3.7
top gear (50-70 mph) - 4.3 vs 4.7
1/4 mile: 14.1 sec @ 100 mph vs 14.5 sec @ 97 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 160 ft vs 177 ft
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.91 g vs 0.87 g
Last edited by YEH; 05-26-2021 at 08:13 PM.
05-26-2021, 08:17 PM
#5456
^ Simply embarrassing...
The EV6 GT can out accelerate most supercars.
While maybe not quite that level of performance, the Electric G80 will be quicker than pretty much all ICE sedans its size aside from maybe the top spec M and AMG.
The EV6 GT can out accelerate most supercars.
While maybe not quite that level of performance, the Electric G80 will be quicker than pretty much all ICE sedans its size aside from maybe the top spec M and AMG.
05-26-2021, 10:25 PM
#5457
TLX has luxury and refinement over G70 which is light weight.
That 0.91 number of G70 is with Pilot Sport 4 ZR tires. with that kind of tires TLX will be pullling closer to 1.00G. As i said and proven repeatedly. Genesis most of time needed bigger engine, lighter weight or performance tires. it cannot compete based on same standards.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
That 0.91 number of G70 is with Pilot Sport 4 ZR tires. with that kind of tires TLX will be pullling closer to 1.00G. As i said and proven repeatedly. Genesis most of time needed bigger engine, lighter weight or performance tires. it cannot compete based on same standards.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
05-30-2021, 07:51 PM
#5458
^ Is that all you got?
The TLX is no more luxurious than the G70, and if anything, the dash design with that piano black and a 90's boom box-looking controls makes the TLX look less luxurious.
And with the next gen G70, which will be getting an interior on par with the GV70, it'll make the interior of the TLX look like a class below.
As for weight, the whole point for the compact sports segment is to be lighter in weight (the G70 actually is a bit heavier than ideal due to its old platform).
The reason why the F10 5 Series was derided by Bimmer piles and the auto press alike was because it grew in size and hence, was a good bit heavier than the E60.
Gee, I wonder what else grew in size/weight - being one of the biggest criticisms in the reviews?
You make it seem as if offering more power and lighter weight is a bad thing.
That's the reason why the M2 CS is considered the world's best performance sedan.
Not Genesis' problem that Acura lags behind in those areas (much less luxury), and why Acura didn't even have a turbo 6 until recently for its mainstream models.
They finally add one and it still lags behind the competition.
Acura's motto should be - Just good enough! or How many bandaids can we add to make up for the FWD/transverse layout?
The TLX is no more luxurious than the G70, and if anything, the dash design with that piano black and a 90's boom box-looking controls makes the TLX look less luxurious.
And with the next gen G70, which will be getting an interior on par with the GV70, it'll make the interior of the TLX look like a class below.
As for weight, the whole point for the compact sports segment is to be lighter in weight (the G70 actually is a bit heavier than ideal due to its old platform).
The reason why the F10 5 Series was derided by Bimmer piles and the auto press alike was because it grew in size and hence, was a good bit heavier than the E60.
Gee, I wonder what else grew in size/weight - being one of the biggest criticisms in the reviews?
You make it seem as if offering more power and lighter weight is a bad thing.
That's the reason why the M2 CS is considered the world's best performance sedan.
Not Genesis' problem that Acura lags behind in those areas (much less luxury), and why Acura didn't even have a turbo 6 until recently for its mainstream models.
They finally add one and it still lags behind the competition.
Acura's motto should be - Just good enough! or How many bandaids can we add to make up for the FWD/transverse layout?
Last edited by YEH; 05-30-2021 at 07:59 PM.
05-31-2021, 12:30 AM
#5459
TLX does not need any bandaid. its a complete package from ground up. It will not give you motion sickness on long drives especially in up and down hills. and that is most important criteria of luxury from non-luxury.
The rest is all about tires. Its build quality is second to none.
Its only 3rd rate brand like Genesis that need to spend on ad money.
https://blog.consumerguide.com/test-...021-acura-tlx/
An airy, open-feeling cabin provides great driver vision. Attractive and plush front seats are decidedly comfortable. There’s plenty of head- and legroom in front; rear legroom is good but not outstanding, and headroom isn’t as good for tall folks. The big driveline hump rules out a third adult passenger in back. Door tops are thinly padded, but there’s lots of soft-surface material in other places.
The rest is all about tires. Its build quality is second to none.
Its only 3rd rate brand like Genesis that need to spend on ad money.
https://blog.consumerguide.com/test-...021-acura-tlx/
An airy, open-feeling cabin provides great driver vision. Attractive and plush front seats are decidedly comfortable. There’s plenty of head- and legroom in front; rear legroom is good but not outstanding, and headroom isn’t as good for tall folks. The big driveline hump rules out a third adult passenger in back. Door tops are thinly padded, but there’s lots of soft-surface material in other places.
06-02-2021, 08:42 AM
#5461
Ex-OEM King
Damn, I didn't see SSFTSX out in Moab with his Honda auto product of choice! That right there is admission of Honda's inferiority compared to a shitty old Fiat.
06-02-2021, 10:41 AM
#5462
Safety Car
May 2021
https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...-record-in-may
American Honda Sets All-time Monthly Sales Record in May
- American Honda set an all-time sales record for any month on sales of 176,815 in May
- Honda brand light trucks set new all-time monthly sales record, helping the brand to record May sales
- Honda HR-V posts best-ever monthly sales, topping 15,200 for the month
- Honda CR-V, Pilot and Passport each set new May sales records
- Strong car sales continue with Accord and Civic combining to surpass 62,000 sales in May
- Acura posts best month of sales in almost 15 years, with over 18,000 deliveries
- Both all-new MDX and RDX notch best-ever May sales, delivering Acura a new May truck sales record
- TLX achieves best sales month since launch of all-new model last year and best month in over two years
- ILX posts best sales month in five years, also netting a May sales record, as the gateway of Acura lineup
American Honda
Total
176,815
+46.2%
Cars
70,548
+37.9%
Trucks
106,267
+52.2%
Total18,153
+75.5%
Cars
5,248
+103.2%
Trucks
12,905
+66.3%
Total158,662
+43.4%
Cars
65,300
+34.4%
Trucks
93,362
+50.5%
See accompanying spreadsheet for complete results.
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06-02-2021, 04:33 PM
#5463
I wonder when will Hyundai withdraw Genesis brand from US market?. it is not gaining any traction. it is waste of money supporting 3 RWD sedan and 2 SUVs for so little sales. They dont have NorthAmerican factory.
Chinese already discovered the crap.
https://www.autonews.com/china/hyund...ts-report-says
Chinese already discovered the crap.
https://www.autonews.com/china/hyund...ts-report-says
Hyundai Motor mulls selling one of its Beijing plants, report says
06-02-2021, 05:35 PM
#5464
Another month where H/K outsold Honda (how much longer before it is deemed permanent?).
Genesis had its highest sales month with around 3,700 sold.
The GV70 is about to launch which should do (assuming enough supply) 3k+ monthly.
These posts from the Lexus forum pretty much explains Acura to a tee.
Welp, succumbed to the massive discounts on the outgoing 2020 MDX and picked one up (SH-AWD) over the weekend. It wasn't our first, or even fifth choice, but in this hyperinflated market, it was a steal so decided to give it a chance.
Interior : definitely not tier 1 BMW class, with an archaic infotainment system, but the roominess and how comfortable it rides makes it tolerable. About the sole reason we got it was because it can readily handle 7 people (4 adults, 3 kids) and it's wide girth definitely can.
My 20 Advance that I leased March 2020 is my fifth MDX (01, 05, 11, 17, 20). I just don’t think they can be beat for overall value. And I have never had any significant mechanical issue with any of them. In my opinion they are a premium vehicle, not a luxury vehicle. I don’t even think they used wood in the interior until the 17 model.
So, the 1st person gives Acura a shot due to the massive discounting despite not even being their 5th choice.
The 2nd is a longtime MDX owner - who readily admits that the MDX is premium, not luxury.
Genesis had its highest sales month with around 3,700 sold.
The GV70 is about to launch which should do (assuming enough supply) 3k+ monthly.
These posts from the Lexus forum pretty much explains Acura to a tee.
Welp, succumbed to the massive discounts on the outgoing 2020 MDX and picked one up (SH-AWD) over the weekend. It wasn't our first, or even fifth choice, but in this hyperinflated market, it was a steal so decided to give it a chance.
Interior : definitely not tier 1 BMW class, with an archaic infotainment system, but the roominess and how comfortable it rides makes it tolerable. About the sole reason we got it was because it can readily handle 7 people (4 adults, 3 kids) and it's wide girth definitely can.
My 20 Advance that I leased March 2020 is my fifth MDX (01, 05, 11, 17, 20). I just don’t think they can be beat for overall value. And I have never had any significant mechanical issue with any of them. In my opinion they are a premium vehicle, not a luxury vehicle. I don’t even think they used wood in the interior until the 17 model.
So, the 1st person gives Acura a shot due to the massive discounting despite not even being their 5th choice.
The 2nd is a longtime MDX owner - who readily admits that the MDX is premium, not luxury.
Last edited by YEH; 06-02-2021 at 05:43 PM.
06-02-2021, 06:11 PM
#5465
Acura has highest price vehicles in industry. once you look at standardization and materials used. they dont give you Lexus/Toyota like free maintainance. nor separate engine lineup.
hybrids are completely removed. hybrid by definition are cheapening the brand unless it is performance hybrid.
How long Hyundai/Kia can support so many vehicles with long warranties before it goes bankrupt like it is going bankrupt in China?
Genesis three RWD sedans with multiple engines cannot beat single engine TLX.
Wait until new ILX comes along. Acura just need on more SUV and sales will be 25K a month.
GV70 launch is on paper. There is no deliveries. I wonder when you will get embrassed by showing every month in this thread.
hybrids are completely removed. hybrid by definition are cheapening the brand unless it is performance hybrid.
How long Hyundai/Kia can support so many vehicles with long warranties before it goes bankrupt like it is going bankrupt in China?
Genesis three RWD sedans with multiple engines cannot beat single engine TLX.
Wait until new ILX comes along. Acura just need on more SUV and sales will be 25K a month.
GV70 launch is on paper. There is no deliveries. I wonder when you will get embrassed by showing every month in this thread.
06-02-2021, 07:00 PM
#5466
Acura has highest price vehicles in industry. once you look at standardization and materials used. they dont give you Lexus/Toyota like free maintainance. nor separate engine lineup.
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Genesis three RWD sedans with multiple engines cannot beat single engine TLX.
Want to compare worldwide sales?
And aside from the G70, the other 2 are priced significantly higher aren't discounted like the TLX.
No one cares about a tarted-up Civic.
And you're wrong (once again), the 1st GV70 in NA was sold within hours of arriving at the dealership.
There will be buyers paying more for the GV70 than for the MDX. Lol
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06-02-2021, 07:02 PM
#5467
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Acura fanboy....🤡
06-03-2021, 01:10 AM
#5468
Translation - Acura has the highest priced vehickes among the mainstream/premium brands - as they don't offer the interior appointment and tech to be considered luxury.
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Want to compare worldwide sales?
And aside from the G70, the other 2 are priced significantly higher aren't discounted like the TLX.
No one cares about a tarted-up Civic.
And you're wrong (once again), the 1st GV70 in NA was sold within hours of arriving at the dealership.
There will be buyers paying more for the GV70 than for the MDX. Lol
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Want to compare worldwide sales?
And aside from the G70, the other 2 are priced significantly higher aren't discounted like the TLX.
No one cares about a tarted-up Civic.
And you're wrong (once again), the 1st GV70 in NA was sold within hours of arriving at the dealership.
There will be buyers paying more for the GV70 than for the MDX. Lol
Honda CRV price with 1.5L engine is same as Genesis G80 with 2.2L engine and Genesis has 5 year maintainance.
you cannot compare Honda with bargain basement Korean brands. Civic Type R is 50% higher priced than same engine capacity Korean vehicles.
Just wait a bit when Chinese clean up Korean brands from all the markets.
GV70 willl further canabalize sales of Genesis sedans and GV80. It is not a brand that can sustain itself.
Dublin Genesis already has 21 GV80 on lot.
https://www.dublingenesis.com/new-ge...gv80-dublin-ca
Stevenscreek Genesis 14 GV80.
https://www.genesisofstevenscreek.co...sis&model=GV80
Genesis dont have that many dealers and sales are already stagnating. in EU it going through online. which even Chery Polestar not going.
06-03-2021, 10:54 PM
#5469
You talking about the CR-V that barely sells in Europe? Lol
And no, the CR-V tops out at £36,170.
The G80 starts at £37,460, which is still higher.
But it is lower than where the Tucson tops off (£38,691), as well as being lower than where the Santa Fe starts - £40,250.
If you haven't noticed, CUVs are priced higher than comparable sedans, and all that tech pretty much costs the sane whether it's on an economy or lux vehicle (which is why fully loaded mainstream vehicles can get quite pricey).
Unlike Acura, Genesis actually has to divy up supply among its various markets.
Funny how these Lexus owners end up getting an Acura based on the deep discounting and/or depreciation.
I have an opportunity to pickup a very light used with less than 5K miles 2020 RLX Sport Hybrid for mid $40K. This thing is fully loaded with everything I could ever want albeit it is very boring looking outside and infotainment is even more dated than the GS.
These thing brand new is $63K. Some poor guy just lost $23K in depreciation on this car in his 7 months of ownership, damn!!
$63k and the wood trim is fake.
That's why no one took the RLX seriously and why Acura is seen as a premium and not a luxury brand.
Genesis doesn't have much to worry from FWD Volvo; if anything, it's Acura that has to worry (for those buyers we ho actually want a luxury grade interior in their FWD CUV).
But Acura will soon have to contend with an upmarket Mazda.
RWD + inline 6 + much better looking sheetmetal and interiors?
Why should enthusiasts get an Acura over a Mazda? Lol
Genesis was only building 2k GV80s for export, so they are selling every one they ship over.
And no, the CR-V tops out at £36,170.
The G80 starts at £37,460, which is still higher.
But it is lower than where the Tucson tops off (£38,691), as well as being lower than where the Santa Fe starts - £40,250.
If you haven't noticed, CUVs are priced higher than comparable sedans, and all that tech pretty much costs the sane whether it's on an economy or lux vehicle (which is why fully loaded mainstream vehicles can get quite pricey).
Unlike Acura, Genesis actually has to divy up supply among its various markets.
Funny how these Lexus owners end up getting an Acura based on the deep discounting and/or depreciation.
I have an opportunity to pickup a very light used with less than 5K miles 2020 RLX Sport Hybrid for mid $40K. This thing is fully loaded with everything I could ever want albeit it is very boring looking outside and infotainment is even more dated than the GS.
These thing brand new is $63K. Some poor guy just lost $23K in depreciation on this car in his 7 months of ownership, damn!!
$63k and the wood trim is fake.
That's why no one took the RLX seriously and why Acura is seen as a premium and not a luxury brand.
Genesis doesn't have much to worry from FWD Volvo; if anything, it's Acura that has to worry (for those buyers we ho actually want a luxury grade interior in their FWD CUV).
But Acura will soon have to contend with an upmarket Mazda.
RWD + inline 6 + much better looking sheetmetal and interiors?
Why should enthusiasts get an Acura over a Mazda? Lol
Genesis was only building 2k GV80s for export, so they are selling every one they ship over.
Last edited by YEH; 06-03-2021 at 11:08 PM.
06-03-2021, 11:05 PM
#5470
CRV does not top out at 36000.british pound. It is more than 40,000 british pounds. dont spread lies. your lies are caught up and even that has less features.
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/cr-...nfigurator/hub
2020 RLX mid 40s is correct price as it is 2 years old on 20 year old platform.
G90 goes even lower. RLX has superior retain value than G90.
After three years. G90 will half the price that despite longer warranty.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...319654385.html
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd...323617148.html
https://www.honda.co.uk/cars/new/cr-...nfigurator/hub
2020 RLX mid 40s is correct price as it is 2 years old on 20 year old platform.
G90 goes even lower. RLX has superior retain value than G90.
After three years. G90 will half the price that despite longer warranty.
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...319654385.html
2019 Genesis G90 3.3T Premium SKU:KU049979 Sedan - $41,913 (AutoNation)
https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd...323617148.html
2018 Genesis G90 3.3T Premium Sedan 4D sedan Gray - FINANCE ONLINE - $36,590 (TOUCHLESS DELIVERY TO YOUR HOME)
06-04-2021, 01:40 PM
#5471
^ That's where the top trim of the CR-V starts.
Why don't we compare more an apples to apples comparison? CUV to CUV.
The GV80 starts at £56,815 - significantly above the top trim CR-V with whatever options added.
But why are we even taking about the UK/Europe where Honda is a failed brand?
H/K sell more in one month than what Honda sells in a year.
Going back to Acura and this market...
They have always been a practical financial decision for me. If I were a MDX enthusiast, my last three would not all have been White with Espresso interior! My first two MDXs were used, the last three have been new due to incentives (the last two have been leases with large dealer incentives). After my 11 Advance I was determined to get something else, but with the 17 update, they got rid of the beak, upgraded the interior, including the captain’s chairs, and offered good lease incentives so I re-upped. Near the end of that lease in March 2020, with lease incentives of over $9k I re-upped again.
Huge discounts is a big reason for buyers to pick Acura and Acura is already lower priced than the other lux brands.
That's why Acura is up there with Infiniti and Buick (lol) when it comes to incentives relative to ATP.
The 5 Series starts at £36,525 in the UK, so at £37,460, the G80 is priced higher to start; albeit the 5 Series goes a good bit higher in price (a simple concept you fail to grasp) - so such things really don't matter.
Why don't we compare more an apples to apples comparison? CUV to CUV.
The GV80 starts at £56,815 - significantly above the top trim CR-V with whatever options added.
But why are we even taking about the UK/Europe where Honda is a failed brand?
H/K sell more in one month than what Honda sells in a year.
Going back to Acura and this market...
They have always been a practical financial decision for me. If I were a MDX enthusiast, my last three would not all have been White with Espresso interior! My first two MDXs were used, the last three have been new due to incentives (the last two have been leases with large dealer incentives). After my 11 Advance I was determined to get something else, but with the 17 update, they got rid of the beak, upgraded the interior, including the captain’s chairs, and offered good lease incentives so I re-upped. Near the end of that lease in March 2020, with lease incentives of over $9k I re-upped again.
Huge discounts is a big reason for buyers to pick Acura and Acura is already lower priced than the other lux brands.
That's why Acura is up there with Infiniti and Buick (lol) when it comes to incentives relative to ATP.
The 5 Series starts at £36,525 in the UK, so at £37,460, the G80 is priced higher to start; albeit the 5 Series goes a good bit higher in price (a simple concept you fail to grasp) - so such things really don't matter.
Last edited by YEH; 06-04-2021 at 01:49 PM.
06-04-2021, 03:15 PM
#5472
Are you dense?
The base CRV is really base CRV in EU.
while the base Genesis G80 has larger engine with 5 year maintainance
Genesis give you alot more equipment standard. you will not get 14.5inch screen on CRV or allow wheels on base version.
The resale value of every vehicle take into account new vehicle actual transaction prices. so dont bring this irrelevant evidence.
Even Carmax that usually price car higher is depreciating G90. I cannot repeat often. Its better for Genesis to withdraw from US market. otherwise it will lose billions here just like in China. There is no Genesis factory in US.
https://www.carmax.com/car/20305172
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The base CRV is really base CRV in EU.
while the base Genesis G80 has larger engine with 5 year maintainance
Genesis give you alot more equipment standard. you will not get 14.5inch screen on CRV or allow wheels on base version.
https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/genesis/g80Standard equipment includes LED headlights, 19-inch alloy wheels, electrically folding door mirrors and Genesis-branded puddle lighting.
Inside, buyers get a leather-trimmed steering wheel, dual-zone air-conditioning, heated seats, a digital instrument cluster and a 14.5-inch infotainment system, which can be controlled using either touchscreen inputs or a rotary dial on the centre console.
Inside, buyers get a leather-trimmed steering wheel, dual-zone air-conditioning, heated seats, a digital instrument cluster and a 14.5-inch infotainment system, which can be controlled using either touchscreen inputs or a rotary dial on the centre console.
Even Carmax that usually price car higher is depreciating G90. I cannot repeat often. Its better for Genesis to withdraw from US market. otherwise it will lose billions here just like in China. There is no Genesis factory in US.
https://www.carmax.com/car/20305172
2019 G90 Premium Genesis
$43,998*Estimate Payment
16K miles
06-04-2021, 04:22 PM
#5473
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Originally Posted by SSFTSX
...I cannot repeat often. Its better for Genesis to withdraw from US market. otherwise it will lose billions here just like in China...
Why is it better for Genesis to withdraw from the US market?
Why do you care if they lose billions?
Do you not like competition in the car market?
You seem fearful.
06-05-2021, 01:33 AM
#5474
Already resale values of Genesis are cratering despite so little sales. and that not even have 10 years old warranties or mass recalls.
They better withdraw now and cut there losses.
Do you really want to ride in GV80 with its 22inch rims? this is what you get buying a loaded GV80
similar is with G80 and GV70 with its mismash of tire and wheel size.
5-60 sec time to collapse to 7.0 second. it is that slow with big tires. 16mpg.
https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/
The big tires do contribute to a louder 70-mph cruise—68 dBA versus 66 dBA—than we recorded in the GV80 3.5T, which wore 20-inch rubber.
The big tires do contribute to a louder 70-mph cruise—68 dBA versus 66 dBA—than we recorded in the GV80 3.5T, which wore 20-inch rubber.
06-05-2021, 07:15 AM
#5475
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You didn't answer one question.
Genesis does have US dealers.
What difference does it make to you if their "resale values are cratering"?
Why do you care if they don't "cut their losses"?
Why do you care what size rims and tires are on various models?
What difference does it make what sort of car I want to ride in?
You haven't given one single answer to my basic questions. You are possessed by irrational hatred of a car brand. Why?
Why are you irrationally obsessed with Genesis?
Genesis does have US dealers.
What difference does it make to you if their "resale values are cratering"?
Why do you care if they don't "cut their losses"?
Why do you care what size rims and tires are on various models?
What difference does it make what sort of car I want to ride in?
You haven't given one single answer to my basic questions. You are possessed by irrational hatred of a car brand. Why?
Why are you irrationally obsessed with Genesis?
06-05-2021, 02:25 PM
#5476
Genesis has very tiny dealers. they will be soon out of business for lack of sales. you need volume and large service department. only Acura and Honda has long life and owners keep them for long.
Will you ride a car with 22inch rims?
As long as Yeh stays in this thread. Genesis will get embarassed.
Will you ride a car with 22inch rims?
As long as Yeh stays in this thread. Genesis will get embarassed.
06-05-2021, 03:16 PM
#5477
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Genesis has very tiny dealers. they will be soon out of business for lack of sales. you need volume and large service department. only Acura and Honda has long life and owners keep them for long.
Will you ride a car with 22inch rims?
As long as Yeh stays in this thread. Genesis will get embarassed.
Will you ride a car with 22inch rims?
As long as Yeh stays in this thread. Genesis will get embarassed.
What does it matter to you, what Genesis does?
06-05-2021, 03:49 PM
#5479
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06-05-2021, 10:41 PM
#5480
Yup i am in Acura sales thread so i must work for Acura. Actually i am well wisher of Genesis brand.thats why i dont want it to lose further money and withdraw from US market before unceremonious exit