YEH

Nice, lame excuse.

Acuras are built more for NA because they don't sell anywhere else.

You really think Honda wouldn't like to sell supposed higher margin Acuras worldwide?

One can say the FWD Lexus model are designed for NA, and yet Toyota manages to sell them worldwide, including a booming business in China (funny, for someone who is all over China sales, you ignore Acura being a total non-player there).

And for supposedly being built for global markets, Honda fails at many of them - Europe, Russia, India, Australia, Brazil, etc.

Even in Mexico (which is part of NA), H/K have triple the sales of Honda despite being relative newcomers.


Says the one always making lame excuses; at least mine are legit.

Lowest ATP among the lux brands (Acura is really more premium than lux) and the highest incentive spending after Infiniti - lol.

Guess what? Cheaper and more heavily discounted sells,

I, mean, really - what kind of lux brand keeps a tarted-up Civic around so long that the model it's based on will soon have gone thru 2 changes (yeah, all that R&D paying off).


Hey dumdum - auto manufacturers don't build dealerships, that's for each individual dealership and they are starting to do so.



[Quote]used car prices are appreciating. My TSX with sport package is now worth $15K after 13 years driving it. while Genesis in less than 3 years become less than half.[quote]

Another lame red herring.

Again, resale values (which are higher for cheaper lux vehicles/brands) don't affect automakers like ATP and incentive spending - where Acura is the worst performer.

TSX69

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...cords-in-april

Honda and Acura Light Trucks Drive Continued American Honda Sales Momentum Setting Multiple Records in April

• Release
• Photos

May 3, 2021

• American Honda and Honda brand light trucks set new all-time sales records
• Honda cars and trucks combine for best April sales in brand history
• HR-V and Passport record best-ever sales, while CR-V and Pilot each set April records
• Civic and Accord combine to top 49,000 deliveries in April
• Acura posts best April truck sales in history, and best April overall sales in five years, as new models continue to build momentum
• Acura MDX follows record month in March with 2nd best month in model history, sets new April mark

American Honda Total

156,452
+171%
Cars

57,654
+125.1%
Trucks

98,828
+207.5%
Total

16,459
+226.2%
Cars

4,198
+168.9%
Trucks

12,261
+251.8%
Total

140,023
+165.7%
Cars

53,456
+122.3%
Trucks

86,567
+202.1%

"As the entire auto industry continues to rebound from the challenge of a global pandemic, Honda and Acura are gaining both momentum and market share," said Dave Gardner, executive vice president of Automobile Sales for American Honda Motor Co., Inc. "We're excited to have significant all-new products on the way in the form of the 2022 Honda Civic and 2021 Acura TLX Type S, but it's the strength of our existing product lineup that is driving our record sales."





See accompanying spreadsheet for complete results.

Legend2TL

^ Wow, the CR-V broke 40k/month but doesn't surprise me as it seems like every handful of months someone we know gets a 5G CR-V

ELIN

Still waiting for the blowout of 2020 MDX's to subside. We know there aren't that many 2022's out yet...

NBP04TL4ME

Interesting to see the HR-V numbers shoot up as well. Not sure if it is a regional thing - but almost never see these on the road around here. CR-Vs yes, HR-V not so much.

SSFTSX

Honda will only sell vehicle that it can export from Core markets of China/Japan/NorthAmerica. They will not devalve brand of Acura by not supporting it property in every market.
There is no hybrid TLX or ILX to sell in Europe unlike Lexus ES/IS.
All these markets are collapsing due to Covid. Honda strategy was right.
Mexicos is export base part of NorthAmerican.


Lowest ATP? do you know what you comparing?. 2G TSX when introduced in 2008 has no Push button start and only 5speed automatic with old dvd navigaiton system. and it still sold for $33k. that is inflation adjusted $45K now.
This called power of Acura brand. no free maintainance or 10 years warranties. that BS is for bargain basement Genesis brand. that load a vehicle.

It if sells it will stay in the line up. It is using 2.4 engine and that engine still around.


If no one is investing in Genesis delaerships than it is not worth any brand values. 6 years of excuses for lack of dealerships not enough?. where are Genesis dealershps? where are the sales despite 3 RWD sedans and One SUV with multiple engines. MDX is still with one engine.



First compared what you getting at that ATP. Look at TSX history and what is inside content. It does not give you ventilated disc brakes in rear. it has very limited features. and inflation adjusted price is the highest in the segment with highest resale value of any vehicle in its class.

https://www.autoblog.com/2021/04/30/...wUTC07pRubmqM-
Genesis priced the G70 below its main rivals from Japan and Germany, but it didn't skimp on content. Even the entry point into the range comes standard with 18-inch alloy wheels, LED exterior lighting, heated door mirrors, heated front seats, a 10.25-inch touchscreen, a navigation system and a long list of electronic driving aids, including Highway Driving Assist (HDA), high-beam assist (HBA), and lane-keeping assist (LKA). As a bonus, every G70 regardless of trim level includes Service Valet, which bundles complimentary scheduled maintenance and at-home pickup for three years or 60,000 miles. Clearly, Genesis is going to great lengths in a bid to beat the competition.

oonowindoo

You know.. you have to have value to de-value.... Acura already devalued almost everything they had since the introduction of 4G TL and ZDX... so yah no valid.
They are trying to get back what they have lost with RDX, MDX and new TLX...

SSFTSX

Both are from Carvana. This how Carvana Value a brand. Acura brand value is second to none. thats why easy to trade even after 10 years.
One is V8 and another V6. One has 75K miles and another has over 100K miles. and this is not even a SH-AWD.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...313839665.html

2012 Acura TL Sedan 4D sedan White - FINANCE ONLINE - $15,590

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/ctd...310847897.html

2011 Hyundai Genesis 4.6 Sedan 4D sedan Silver - FINANCE ONLINE - $15,590 (TOUCHLESS DELIVERY TO YOUR HOME)

oonowindoo

Oh when you said devalue of a brand, i didnt realize u were talking about resale value of a particular car. That was quite a pivot, even for you tho....


I am surprised you didnt find another car from another continent that does not exist in the US to compare resale value

SSFTSX

some are recalled for second time.
https://www.newtownbee.com/05042021/...ultiple-fires/

Hyundai Recalling Over 390K Vehicles After Multiple Fires

Published: May 04, 2021 01:35 PM

oonowindoo

How is that relevant to "Acura Sales, Marketing and Financials"?

YEH

^ Funny how he doesn't post about Acura/Honda recalls, even in the thread dedicated to it. Lol

Another month where H/K outsold Honda; since it's been half a year, think we can refer to it as being semi-permanent.

Don't think this will shut the demented troll up, but shows how deluded he is...

2017 RLX Tech FWD
Only 19.8k miles
$27.6k

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1708113

2017 G80 3.8 RWD
22k miles
$30.6k

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1745565

Now, this is for the Bay area, where the resident troll claims loves Acura, including the super-wealthy (lol).

Hmm, why is the RLX which is more expensive to begin with (and lower miles) priced $3k less than the G80?

The examples the troll shows is misleading.

1st off, he's posting the Hyundai Genesis - which has gotten devalued due to the launch of the Genesis brand.

2nd, as each generation of Genesis models make marked improvements, the resale value of the previous gen are adversely affected.

Otoh, many think the heyday of Acura was during the late-1990s/early 2000s, with the models during the 2010s being underwhelming (such as the RLX), hence, boosting the resale of the earlier models.

YEH

There are no more Telluride SXP's available in the Bay area (sold quickly), but there were a couple going for above $50k.

There are only 4 Tellurides available (3 S, 1 EX) and all 4 are pending purchase (even tho 3 of them are listed as arriving soon).

The 2020 EX has heavy miles - 54.5k.

And yet is still listed for $43.6k.

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1792591

A 2020 MDX with only 8k miles is going for less - $43k.

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1751488

Heck, there's a 2020 A-Spec with only 12k miles going for only $1.4k more.

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1757447

If the EX had similarly low miles, it probably would be going for more than the A-Spec.

So much for Acura's vaunted resale; it's flagship can't even beat a Kia (where a mid-spec Telluride beats the top trim MDX).

And this is in an area which supposedly loves Acura.

SSFTSX

I am sure you will show up. First you compare a Pre-MMC RLX FWD tech (Not advance) (launched in early 2013. shown in 2012) with 2G Genesis G80.
Please show things that are comparably equipped and of similar model Years.

This how proper comparision is done and that Gap will further increase once out of warranty period. RLX will continue beating G90

13K miles
https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1738948
Acura RLX 2018 $42K

13K miles
https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1739787
2018 Genesis G90 $39K
$41,990



It is just waste of time with new excuses every time. 3 RWD Sedans and 1 SUV with multiple engines and can barely compete with 1 standard engine Acura TLX.

if there is shortage of Telluride. who is responsible for shortage? after all those years. why cant Hyundai/Kia group make more factories.or they short of money.
Real resale value of Acura and Honda starts after warranty period. as untill warranty period every brand is same.

YEH

^ Uhm, they're both 2017MY aren't they, and you're going to throw being pre-facelift as an excuse? Lol

Coming from a dolt who used a vehicle that isn't even a Genesis model as an example.

The FL did pretty much nothing for RLX sales, much less its resale value - really makes no difference.

The RWD 3.8 G80 with the Premium pkg (not the top pkg - which is the Ultimate) retailed for $46,150.

The FWD RLX Tech retailed for $54,450.

So, the RLX lost $26.9k of its value, whereas the G80 lost only $15.6k.

That's a pretty pathetic showing by Acura (told you numerous times that the RLX is one of the worst models when it comes to resale).

Sorry, but the RLX competes against the G80, not the G90.

And comparing something that's AWD and a hybrid to RWD? Lol

Esp. with the hybrid being located in CA.

Nothing about the MDX getting smacked around by the Telluride?

Figures...

Kia is building more Tellurides than Acura is building the MDX - Kia can build 50% more (150-160k/yr) and they would still have the same problem.

So what's the excuse of a lowly Kia crushing the Acura flagship in resale?

Genesis is launching in Europe, after launching in China.

So, um, where else is Acura sold?

Yeah, they do sell in China, but it's not much.

Lexus absolutely crushes Acura in China.

YEH

2019 TLX 3.5 Tech FWD
13.4k mi
$29k
$40.1k list

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1748007


2019 G70 Advanced RWD
18k mi
$38.6k
$43.7k list

https://www.carvana.com/vehicle/1787262


The G70 only loses $5k of its value; the TLX loses $11k - more than double (even with fewer miles).

Quote:

Lowest ATP? do you know what you comparing?. 2G TSX when introduced in 2008 has no Push button start and only 5speed automatic with old dvd navigaiton system. and it still sold for $33k. that is inflation adjusted $45K now.

Talking about recent history (last year).

What does 2008 matter when Genesis didn't even exist.

What's sad is that Acura was the 1st Japanese lux brand, but has to play the value game the most,

And despite a 3 decade head start, has to play the value game against Genesis.

There's nothing wrong with that, as there is a market for that in NA, but unfortunately for Acura, the rest of the world isn't much interested.

SSFTSX

G70 advanced has 3.3T engine. Genesis is selling V6 turbo at bargain basement price as new and than claim it is losing less value. I can assure you if TLX V6 has turbo and advanced model. it will be over $55K.
Tech model in TLX is two step below the advance model in TLX line up.
Even 2022 G70 3.3T is priced at $43K while 3.0T TLX Type S will be above $52K. There is already $10K starting price difference despite smaller engine in TLX.
When you look at long warranties, free maintaince and more customization along with more content will tell you who is the bargain brand.

YEH

^ So, it's Genesis' fault that Acura won't have offered a T6 in what is supposed to be its sports sedan until the S-Type finslly drops?

How can you claim that Acura is trying to compete with the best when the Germans have been offering boosted 6 cylinders for years?

Congrats!

The TLX is finally joining the party and is already down in power compared to much of the competition (which also doesn't force one to add the weight of AWD to get that power).

In a short while, the G70 will get replaced by the next gen model which gets the 3.5T, and possibly the higher output of the 3.5T pushing out over 400 hp.

Then, there will also be the electric G70 for even more performance.

But we won't have to wait til the next G70 to see how things fall.

The GV70 will be launching soon and it'll make the RDX look half-arsed.

And oh, the GV70 won't have the type of discounts that Acura is offering on the RDX, much less the new TLX.

SSFTSX

Acura has own method of introducing vehicles to ensure highest quality and reliability. you just cannot randomly compare it with other vehicles when they not have comparable content and engine power.
MDX Type S still not available. there are so many vehicles in Honda lineup still lacking all the systems and engines.
This new Honda HRV will be ground breaking interms of sales. Current one approaching 15K. if the new one got Hybrid version. You are looking at 50K monthly sales. Acura version can add further 10k sales.
Unless GV70 is at bargain basement price relative to competition. it will not have much higher sales than G70.
the more vehicles Hyundai/Kia introduce the more the recalls.

oonowindoo

u 2 sure have a lot to talk about.... should meet up in person and talk this over beer....

YEH

[QUOTE]Acura has own method of introducing vehicles to ensure highest quality and reliability. you just cannot randomly compare it with other vehicles when they not have comparable content and engine power.[/quote ],

Again, you living in your delusional world...

Consumer Reports - How automotive brands ranked for reliability:

1. Lexus
2. Mazda
3. Toyota
4. Porsche
5. Genesis
6. Hyundai
7. Subaru
8. Dodge
9. Kia
10. Mini
11. Nissan
12. Honda
13. Infiniti
14. Audi
15. Lincoln
16. Ford
17. BMW
18. Buick
19. Chrysler
20. Mitsubishi
21. Mercedes-Benz
22. GMC
23. Tesla
24. Volvo
25. Chevrolet
26. Jeep
27. Volkswagen
28. Acura
29. Alfa Romeo
30. Cadillac

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...es/2578463001/


That's because Acura has been asleep at the wheel the past decade and a half with Honda not willing to invest in competitive powerplants.

That T6 going into the S Type is just barely competitive; the 3.5T in the GV80 already has more power and Genesis is working on a higher performance version putting out over 400 hp.

You keep taking about Acura engineering, but they haven't been competitive for years and only just now will be offering something that is somewhat respectable on the performance front, and on top of that, Acura's reliability has tanked.

But note how their T6 is reserved for the performance S Type moniker.

Meanwhile, Genesis the (more powerful) 3.5T in the GV80 and G80 is just the GV80/G80 with a T6.

The upcoming G80 Sport will have 400+ hp.


Who really cares about econobox subcompact crossovers like the HRV (don't really care about the Kona or Venue)?

And gee, a brand that sells tarted-up HRVs and Civics (and the old one - almost 2 generations old) at that) - that really says luxury.


Please, aside from maybe the Ioniq 5/EV 6, the GV70 will be the most in demand model for the upcoming year - and come award time, it'll be down to those 3.

Genesis won't be able to build enough, esp. the top trim, just like how the GV80 3.5T Prestige only stats on the lots for a few days.

So no (stupid) retort on the TLX having a significantly worse resale than the G70?

Well, at least it's not having a significantly worse resale than a Kia (like the MDX is in comparison to the Telluride).

YEH

Congrats!

Something the size of a 5 Series is now priced alongside one of the smallest entrants in the compact segment.

So Acura can't even price something as big as the TLX anywhere close to the midsize segment (Acura always has to price their sedans, one size segment down).

What do you think is going to happen with the price of the next gen G70 - which gets the 2.5T, a best in class interior (see GV70) and more tech?

It'll be like the GV80 (starting at $49k) vs the MDX ($47k) - and unlike the MDX, the GV80 is not a full 3-row.

SSFTSX

MDX standard model is much faster than 2.5T GV80 and equal to 3.5T. and that is 20 years old reliable engine. so why you babbling about?. Only Honda/Acura standards can make vehicle premium.
All Hyundai/Kia electric vehicles are fire prone. Honda is not even bothered by this technology at this point. It is about introducing new Honda HRV and more rugged version of Honda Passport/Pilot. That will smash sales expectations
Unlike GV80 that is stagnating at dealership lots despite two engines.
Just because because vehicle is BMW 5 series size does not mean the content is the same. BMW 5 series is imported vehicle to US. In EU Honda Civic and BMW 5 series has same price.
3 rows does not mean all three 3 rows get same technology/features in base model vs upper trims. I am not sure why you cannot make logical comparisions.

Legend2TL

pttl

The utter devotion to one brand is beyond me.

YEH

LIES and more LIES!

Only performance metric where the MDX beat the GV80 2.5T was in the rolling start according to C/D testing.

0-60, 0-100, 1/4 mi, top gear passing, braking, etc. - the GV80 bests the MDX.

The GV80 even got better fuel economy in C/D's 75 mph highway loop.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...-sh-awd-drive/

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...y-the-numbers/

C/D notes - the GV80's junior-Bentley interior...

And this is what they said of the MDX's interior...

Although the interior is nicely designed and offers plenty of convenience options, it doesn't feel quite as posh as the cabins of rivals such as the Genesis GV80 or the Volvo XC90.

Need I have to remind you what MT thought of the MDX's interior?
.

2022 Acura MDX Interior Review: Lacking Luxury

Even in range-topping Advance trim, the new MDX needs more polish and panache.

...the real question is whether its cabin rivals other luxury three-row SUVs. Does it? Short answer: Even in the range-topping Advance model we drove, no. Long answer: Read on.

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...iew-pros-cons/


Meanwhile, MT thinks the Palisade Calligraphy has a luxury interior...
.

2021 Hyundai Palisade Calligraphy Interior Review: Discount Luxury

.
https://www.motortrend.com/cars/hyundai/palisade/2021/2021-hyundai-palisade-calligraphy-interior-review/

Ouch, that hurts!


Only the ones equipped with LG batteries (which has also affected GM, Ford and Tesla) and esp. the ones made in LS's China battery plant.

Guess what?

GM's, er, Honda and Acura's upcoming EV CUVs will be using LG batteries.

And sorry, Genesis sells every GV80 they make (they actually can't build enough of them to meet demand, esp. the top 3.5T Prestige ).

Not this asinine/lame excuse again.

Acura tried something the size of the 5 Series (actually bigger with the TL and RLX) and failed miserably,.

Now Acura has to resort to selling a midsize sedan at comoact prices to gain any traction, and it's a fraction of what Lexus is able to do with the ES.

Civic and the 5er have the same price? LMAO!

In what alternative universe.

The Acura Legends were imported from Japan and yet they seriously undercut the RWD Germans in price.

Starting base price -

MDX - $46.9k
XT6 - 48k
GV80 48.9k
Aviator - 51k

Aside from the GV80, the rest are built in the US - and guess which one is the cheapest (despite the GV80 not being a full 3-row)?

The RWD Aviator has a $3k premium over the FWD XT6.

From a UK publication...Nissan’s Infiniti brand (launched in 1989) is currently struggling to break 200,000 sales globally each year and it pulled out of Europe in 2020. Honda’s Accura (launched in 1986) is also well below 200,000 global sales a year.

Toyota’s Lexus division (also launched in 1989) has been much more successful and is looking good for 900,000 sales globally in 2021. Aside from 30 years of serious investment, what was the Lexus difference?

Genesis should hit the 200k in global sales this year (barring any production shortages due to the chip supply).

SSFTSX

why you ignore the MT numbers. that outright defeate GV80 2.5T? Even Alex on Autos number MDX beat 2.5T GV80.
This what they say about GV80 ride quality?
You have been making. Your biggest liar on this form. where are the sales of Genesis? where are the new dealerships in expensive locations?. that you keep constantly claimed. The new MDX has beat the S out of GV 80 sales despite on One engine and no 3 year maintainance and half the warranty.




Have you traveled around Europe?. Dont comment on things when you have no idea. Just look at Civic Type R price. It is much higher in Europe than BMW 5 series despite being built in Europe.

used Civic Type R more expensive than Brand New 5 series. both has 2.0 engines with same emissions.




Are you stupid?. The MDX base dont even have leather and is FWD with basis tech.
Put the Content of each one with MDX with make sure they are non-turbo engine. MDX dont have any thing free.
Europe is money losing business. Only Honda that are imported from China or Japan will work there.
If Honda and Acura was not sucessfull. Acura will not have the most dealerships in most expensive areas of SF Bayarea.
Genesis global sales are distributed so less profits and will ultimately have bad reputation as support structure will not be there. Europe will kick out all Korean brands. If Samsung or Korean does not built semiconductor fabs there.
You have no idea how difficult running global business without leverage.

YEH

^ Is that the best you can do? LMAO

1st off, not a Genesis model and no surprise that a large sedan with a large, thirsty engine is not going to hold its value, much less sell new.

Hyundai just threw it out there, not expecting much (even with a hybrid, the LS barely sells in Europe).

Having said that, don't expect the 3.5T G80 (if available) will sell in any significant volume due to high displacement/CO2 taxes and even the 2.5T will face a tough road due to its CO2 output.

For the G80, the volume seller will be the electric.

Now, the volume sellers for the brand will be the GV60, GV70 (including the electric) and the G70 shooting brake - all better suited for the Euro market in terms of size.

And of course, I knew you would pick the most extreme (misleading) example (using the CTR against a fleet special 5er).

And actually, in terms of list price, they're not the same, the diesel 5er being heavily discounted as diesels have fallen out of favor due to increasing tax penalties.

Gee , could say the 2 Series is as much as the 7 Series using the M2 CS against a base 7er.

What does that show?

Nothing, except that performance variants cost a good bit more than their pedestrian siblings.

Why don't we compare the price of the top performance variants of the Civic and 5 Series?

The CTR is less than half that of the M5 Competition which is around 90k £.

YEH

[QUOTE]
Are you stupid?. The MDX base dont even have leather and is FWD with basis tech.[quote]

No, but you are.

Leather on the base 2.5T is an option and it omly has basic tech compared to the higher packages, but that's the pricing premium for RWD vs FWD and the GV80 is not even a full 3-row.


Yeah, for Honda.

[Quote]If Honda and Acura was not sucessfull. Acura will not have the most dealerships in most expensive areas of SF Bayarea.[quote]

Is that what you're hanging your hat on? Lol

Right now, Genesis sales are mostly concentrated in Korea, with US sales to grow (launch of GV60, GV70, hopefully increased supply of the GV80) - still good enough to hit the 200k sales mark this year.

Everywhere else will be towards hitting the 300k mark.

SSFTSX

Genesis cannot afford dealership in US. let alone in Europe. so why waste that limited resources chasing a limited market that will further damage Hyundai group.
Provided they can find battteries at reasonable cost and not create further fire recall.
CTR has 2.0 Engine. BMW 520 has 2.0 engine. same engine capacity. same area of manufacturing. infact CTR is local to British compared to BMW 520 that is imported to UK from Euro zone.
Always compare same engine sizes when it comes to Europe but since you are person with low education standards. that cannot make any logical comparisions.
1.5T Honda CRV is comparable Price as 2.0T BMW X3. but i dont want to further embarrass you.

SSFTSX

Korean market is in decline. Sales are going backwards. After initial hype there is no future of Genesis brand. GV80 are already stagnating at dealerships. only extreme shortage of chips will help in its sales. where people will buy what ever avialable.
3 year maintenance to MDX will add $2K to MDX price. that is the premium of having FWD. Add 4 year of extra power train warranty to MDX is another $3k. This is how real comparison are done.
what about 12.3 inc vs 14.5 inc display? hands free rear gate? what about power folding auto dimming side mirrors that you can only get in Advance pack of MDX? only MDX Advance Pack has full acoustic laminted windows.
9 speaker vs 12 speaker in base model?
I know you are dense and takes a while to educate but i didnot realize you are consistently mis representing.

SSFTSX

Civic Type R. 174mph and still not touch redline. Civic Type R is 56.5 inch tall and 74inch wide. Try to make Hyundai taller and see how far it top speed goes. This is how you figure out 2nd rate engineering. this will further shut you from discussing one more topic.

YEH

^ Is that all you've got, after I debunked your (recent) Acura has higher resale value claim (which, again, has little bearing on automakers). Lol

Acura still trails Genesis when it comes to ATP, incentive spending, profit margins and recent automotive awards and rankings.

Acura's incentive spending was still on the high side last quarter - $5,010.

The new Kia minivan has fewer days supply than the MDX - 20 vs 31.

But while that's not a bad # for the MDX, the TLX has 112 days of supply - ouch!

YEH

Genesis sold 14k in Korea last month, of which 6k was the G80 sedan.

How many sedans did Acura sell worldwide last month (at a lower pricepoint)? Lol

And sorry - the GV80 has its best sales month ever here at 1,900 sold.

Only thing keeping the GV80 from selling better is lack of supply.


H/K did 107,500 in sales in Korea.

The top 15 sellers, included models like the -

Grandeur #1
Carnival #3
Sonata
K5
Sorento
G80
Palisade
K8
GV70
Santa Fe

All models with good to very good margins.

Meanwhile, only the Freed and Vezel (HR-V) made the Japanese top 15, both econoboxes.

But hey, the N-box is the best selling Kei car S o there is that.

Like had said, Honda prwtty much sells cheap econoboxes in Japan.

And once again, H/K outsold Honda in the States; even more so the case for Canada and Mexico.

In NA, H/K outsell H/A.

Quote:

3 year maintenance to MDX will add $2K to MDX price. that is the premium of having FWD. Add 4 year of extra power train warranty to MDX is another $3k. This is how real comparison are done.

Hey dinwit - how many times do I have to explain that the cost of included maintenance is anywhere near $2k?

If that were the case, then Toyotas (with 2 yrs mainetanace included) would cost more than Hondas, much less Hyundai which recently added 3 years of maintenance.

And BMWs would cost more than the equivalent Mercedes, but they don't.

Same deal for warranty.

Honda in Australia extended its warranty to 7 yrs in a futile attempt to garner more sales and there wasn't any material price increase.

SSFTSX

so you think sales of Genesis in US are impacted due to production constraint in Korea because so many people buying Genesis?. so why Genesis are on dealer lots?.

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/ctd...320172828.html

2021 Genesis G70 RWD 4D Sedan / Sedan 2.0T - $32,988

https://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/ctd...319654385.html

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Try get 3 years prepaid Acura maintainance from dealer that have SH-AWD. it is not cheap.
Australia is declining market so they want to give work to dealers so people return to dealers for work than outside dealer.

Acura
Hyundai has big exposure to India.

SamDoe1

I'm heading to Moab on Saturday, you coming or are you going to admit that Honda's AWD system is inferior to that of an old Fiat? Like I said, bring any Honda auto product on whatever wheels and tires you want.

SSFTSX

Honda China is going to 1.8m sales highest growth rate among Japanese manufacturer. where is Mazda? hell Yeh. you were threatening Acura MDX with CX-9. which is built by backwater firm interms of Money and technology. with no reputation of global quality.
Japanese automakers see China sales growth fall in April - Gasgoo

SamDoe1

Way to straight up ignore something you can't possibly even try to win.

If a Honda cannot beat a crappy Fiat at doing something so basic as off roading, I'd say that the CX9 is better no matter what. How can I trust the AWD in a Honda?

pttl

Mazda has best looking and best driving experience of any Japanese manufacturer. Mazda is also superior reliability.

SSFTSX

courtesy car included in 5 year plan. its a bargain basement imported brand. imported vehicle supposed to be expensive for similar engine size.