SebringSilver

This thread is so comical. Before the YouTube videos were posted demonstrating the exhaust sounds all the fanboys were saying, “it’s not about the performance”. Now that they’ve heard the exhaust it’s become “it’s gonna be a serious performance sedan!”

Can’t wait to see one on the streets driven by someone who thinks they’ve now got a fast car. Should be just as funny as this thread.

Honda430

Yes and the folks who predicted a performance flop are now complaining because you can’t transport your Costco flat screen purchase home in the trunk of the vehicle. Some of y’all need to give it a rest.

neuronbob

I can't even keep up with the discussion. I just saw a few pages back the rear seat brace + fold down seats. People are complaining about it, but I think the setup is cool! Wow! So I can't get a 70" TV into the back, who cares, that's why I have a station wagon and my wife an SUV...and if worst comes to worst, Amazon can ship me the TV.

BEAR-AvHistory

Been there done that back in 2011 with the 335is. The guy had the original Type-S AT which had a hard time against the base TL 6MT. It was listed at the time in the 3G threads. What a lot of people don't realize is the Type-S only had about 200CC more displacement than the base but more weight. As far as I can remember only guy in the forum who managed with any TL/TL Type-S to break 100mph with a 13.99 in the 1/4 mile had a Base 6MT. My TL was good for high 90's low 14's. The image of the 3G Type S has aged very well like fine wine.

So what's wrong with taking your flat screen home in a faster sports sedan that it will fit in because they did not have to patch the weak rear suspension mounts? Seriously why isn't anyone questioning why they had to stick a brace into the car. Everybody is WOW thats cool real race car stuff. According to the 4 cylinder guys that don't have a brace its a solid car? Are they al having a fantasy about that?

BEAR-AvHistory

I predicted 4.5 seconds. Good number for 2011. You can decide if thats a flop in the current state of the various cars. The numbers are not in yet & the only thing definitely known is they chose the slowest least powerful car to run it against to get some German skin for the adds. All we have right now is a whole bunch of guys on Acura's dime walking around the car in separate video's.

That and the mystery as to why the car needed a brace in the trunk.

One additional thing we do know. The car pretty much tanked on its EPA tests. 355BHP 21/19/25 - 382BHP 25/22/31

Honda430

No doubt we’ll find out more in two weeks.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree on overall speed numbers its all speculation till then. Since we actually do have a few official numbers posted by Acura what do you think happened in the EPA test with the 10 speed gear box, I only have 8?

fiatlux

Didn’t Acura claim that lateral rigidity is up 45% with the new chassis? Evidently that isn’t enough for the Type S.

F23A4

Indeed! The horror is too much to bear for some.

Sclyzed

I know I'm a very small minority, probably the only one being a paraplegic looking for a Type-S, but I'm personally disappointed with the rear and trunk. I currently have a 21 TLX A-Spec and my chair just doesn't fit easily in the back seat or the trunk. It's a shame for the size of the car. The chair does fit in the truck, but BARELY. I have to have someone turn it all different ways and angles to fit in just because how tight the opening is (depth wise).Which is only a problem when I have a passenger. I normally put my chair in the front seat which works great. But once I get a passenger, I have nowhere to put my chair. It sucks because before looking at the TLX, i was going to get the Accord Touring. Was so much easier to get my chair in the back seat when needed but opted for the TLX.

Obviously I'd be better off with a truck/suv/crossover, I know that. But again, I'm in the very small minority but just giving a reason for my disappointment regarding space(only bc the size of car).

florissant

What were the criteria for a vehicle when you chose the TLX? I'm curious as to why you'd still purchase the TLX knowing there were trunk space issues for your wheelchair that you need and then complain about the trunk space?

bilirubin

re: rear bracing, at 19:22 "but I can't go to Costco and get my 500 gallon drum of mayonnaise"
LOL

Tony Pac

The last 30 seconds of Joe’s review was excellent and Costco and 500 gallon of mayonnaise. 🤣😂 and when he said go get another car. Nailed it!

Legend2TL

+1


:+1, QFT

Shadow2056

The performance numbers on paper looked good to me. I'm sure it was going to handle well too. I'm glad I heard the exhaust and was happy. Lol. Fans haven't been too stuck on performance though. It's been the people talking about going to the German competition who've been complaining about the numbers. Lol!

neuronbob

Forgot to mention...for the rear cabin bracing, we on Acurazine asked for this back with the 3G TL years ago. I would submit to you that Acura actually listened to us. I think the packaging is on point. Acura is not messing around. I think performance will be better than all the naysayers say.

Wait, I bought a RLX. I’ll show myself out...

fiatlux

Performance numbers are out?

Sclyzed

My accident was in 2013 and I just now started driving in November 2020, right as the new TLX came. The good thing is, I'm single, no kids so at the end of the day, it's not a major issue regarding the space, but when I do need it, I don't have it. That's the only reason I still went with the TLX (knowing I won't need the trunk/rear a lot). I liked the car over the Accord.

Main thing was making sure the door is wide enough to easily get my chair into the passenger seat and making sure the passenger seat foot area is wide enough to hold my chair. If I had a gf and kids for sure I wouldn;t have went with the tlx but at this time in my life it's ok.

Shadow2056

HP and TQ numbers are. Nothing on handling or 0-06 times yet. I was saying it was all the people talking about how the German cars are better because of this and that. But yet don't know anything about the weight of the car, the 0-60. Just they're all going based off the HP and TQ and know nothing else about the car. I'm waiting to see what the 0-60 times are.

nist7

Indeed.....AFAIK all the 3G TLs (including the non-Type S) had NO ability to fold down the backseat and you only had a small hole for pass through.

That is one gripe I had with my base 06 TL.

edit: I assume the 4G and TLX (non-Type S) has normal full backseat fold-down ability and can expose an area to put in larger items in the trunk?

A sport sedan with sport-sedan things....now being criticized as "not practical"....heh....

fiatlux

The reason most people buy sport sedans over sport coupes is because of the added practicality. If you start eroding the practicality aspect, eventually the compelling reason to get the sedan starts to go away.

For instance, one of the reasons I bought an STI instead of the Evo was because of the practicality; larger gas tank, fold down rear seats, and a sixth gear on the freeways. Performance wise the Evo was superior, but as a daily driver it wasn’t enough to make up for the reduced practicality.

Honda430

I’m curious, exactly what type of items would routinely require folding down the back seats and utilizing the back of said seats to transport? To be honest in my long history of owning Acura sedans I’ve never saw the need, when the feature was available, to fold down the back seats to carry something.

BEAR-AvHistory

The top end of the 4 cylinder line the TLX with Advance Packages is rated at 4,028 lbs by Acura in their specs. Do you expect the 6 cylinder car to be lighter? That humongous trunk brace has to be at least 3lbs A nice unit about the same size to compare to is the Dodge Challenger GT V6 4028lbs - 4073lbs

Since we do know the weight & horsepower you can get a rough estimate as to how a car will perform. What we don't know is the power to the wheels number or the specific gearing that will help acceleration. We also know that unless Honda has gone German & underrated the engine its very hard to imagine it being quicker than lighter or equal weight cars with more power. Thats why the picked the 349 hp Audi version they did & not the M340 for the presser.

The poor gas mileage might suggest that they put an acceleration gear set in the car but as was said we have to wait till the 20th. In the meantime its fun to speculate.

neuronbob

Lumber, or the occasional long pole. It does happen.

Bo_Darville

still no road tests, still no U.S. pricing.....

fiatlux

Ikea furniture, rugs, carpet padding, flat screen tvs, plastic christmas tree, and folding tables.

BEAR-AvHistory

Road tests are embargoed till the 20th. Pricing could come at any time.

ELIN

The interior looks nearly identical to my A-Spec, down to the the red on silver analog gauges.

The option to change interior trim to carbon fiber or wood is nice.

Camaro194

I'm interested to see what options they will have for the trim and how they price them. I think one of the reviews mentioned it will be dealer installed, which makes sense to simplify production.

Kense

The Type S should have an upgraded and unique Interior from the other Trims. There should be a special Interior you can only get with the Type S. Digital Gauges, Heads up Display, More interior color options, Manual option?

ELIN

That's nearly all "no."

Type S gets the exclusive Light Orchid seat color and the "Type S" logo all over. You'll have to be happy with that. Otherwise, I don't mind when folks mistake my A-Spec for a Type S because I'm sure it will happen by the uninformed.

nist7

We wish....think about this....one of THE most iconic, legendary and absolute monster of a high performance sports car that has lived for decades and continue to live for decades AND has had one of the most biggest step-up in performance/chassis re-design with the BASE version hitting 60mph in under 3 seconds for as low as $60k MSRP with great looks and unreal performance.....that car will never have a manual transmission again.....if THAT kind of car no longer has manual ....any acura sports sedan has even less chance of such a thing. The manual is largely dead outside of some select dedicated platforms (miata, GT350 has it but is now dead, GT500 has no manual) very niche/expensive cars (911 GT3) or other markets (Europe, asia...)

Kense

G80/G82 Both offer manuals (Yeah I know different class but still) . I believe the Hyundai G70 also offers a Manual in the lower power version and rumors are they will offer it in the 350 Hp (Not sure exact power) version .Nissan 400Z also comes in stick.

Camaro194

The Type S seats are actually different than the other trims. While they look the same as Aspec, they are 16 way adjustable instead of 12. And there is a unique color option and trims that you can't get on the others.

For reference, BMW actually gives you fewer seat options on the M340i vs the 330i and the same dash trims are available on both.

I'm sort of indifferent about the digital dash. I saw the new MDX in person and while the dash is nice and clean, it isn't dynamic enough IMO. It doesn't appear to do anything better than analog gauges. At least the Apsec/Type S gauges are styled differently from the other trims.

BEAR-AvHistory

They want to get the best performance out of the car they can. On the 0-60 run that nobody here cares about a manual transmission will cost between .3 & .5 seconds.

True BUT. BMW acknowledges in its material that the MT will cost .3/.5 in performance. Second BUT. The 6MT comes with 473BHP the 8ZF with 502bhp. My daughter is giving up the power to get the MT. She is out of the will.

Agree the M340i comes standard with the top line seats with power bolsters, power lumbar support etc. No option for base seats. Has a choice of 5 coverings. Dash trim is the same but the content is variable. The M3/M4 also use the same dash with different content. I programed the Z4 dash which is the same to the M4 package. Recoding of features is on BMW's is very common. I have about 10 specific changes I made to the electronics.

ELIN

TLX Advanced has 16 way adjustable seat but not with the sport look.

ELIN

Perhaps she prefers total engagement in the driving experience!

BEAR-AvHistory

Yeah she does. Learned to drive on an MT & has always owned one since. We go back & forth on that. She is right but I will never admit it.

Camaro194

It's going to be a long 1.5 weeks until the next round of info comes out. Doubt we'll hear anything about price or options until the driving impressions on the 20th.

Hopefully dealers will start to get some delivered around that time as well.

jhb31

I have used the fold down seats in my S5 4 or 5 times this year. Mainly for lumber for home improvement projects (I do put appropriate protection down). Wife has an SUV but even in that the seats would have to come down. I just prefer to drive the S5 even for those trips as it's a hell of a lot more fun. Mulch and other "dirty" items it's the other car every time. It's a nice feature to have in general. If you don't need it then you won't miss it but it does expand the cargo options a lot. No problem putting 8ft boards in my coupe with the seats down.