Type-S is almost here.
05-05-2021, 08:51 PM
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I agree with you. Although I know the TLX and TLX type S is very close to A4 & S4 than 340 and C43 but still would have been nice to compare them at the same time 
I am sure we will see some sort of comparisons in the upcoming months.
I am sure we will see some sort of comparisons in the upcoming months.
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05-05-2021, 10:12 PM
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I think it's been a foregone conclusion that the Type S is not going to be able to beat the M340i when it comes to outright performance. Only the fanniest of fanboys are still taking the "wait and see, Acura is on fire, we don't know any facts yet!" stance. And that's OK; trying to beat BMW at performance is a fool's errand, and both Audi and Merc sells plenty of their cars without having to beat BMW at the track.
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05-05-2021, 10:24 PM
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Alot of “enTHusIaST” believe 0-60 time determines whether a car is worthy or not. For example, the Dodge Scat Pack that has been discussed here and other places on the torture web.
05-06-2021, 12:04 AM
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Had high hopes for Type S seeing the preliminary overview and 0-60 times of Aspec 6.2 is real world accurate. Depending on the street grade or wind gusts can make a difference lets say its 6 second car.
Acura made S-type chassis stiffer, with bigger 20" wheels better handling, 10 speed transmission shifts smoothly . Wish they used ZF- 9 speed or 8 speed, while their 10 speed transmission has shown no troubles with reliability and cost is factor time will tell if it can withstand the power output for tuners. Power of the 3.0 liter engine 350 hp and torque seems on par with C43 years ago and 340i yet still trail in performance within the 0-60 times i'm certain. Acura needs to develop small battery hybrid powered like Lexus and BMW do with m440i to get the competitive edge of speed and podium finishes with 0-60 times in low 4 second mark.
Will take Acura constant improvement to the S-type over the years unless they stop making them in short production run limiting capacity to have a false demand for this model. Every 14 years they come out with special edition to anticipate there performance roots keeping it as grand touring halo car that is affordable. In any case wish they made coupe version of this power plant rather than sedan. Since the older accord coupes were found to be less agile and performed worse than the sedans honda produced market share shrunk for coupe's making it instinct. Not financially profitable to manufacture or sell. Don't know how BMW or Benz keeping making coupes without losing their shirts.
Conclusion find often the grass isn't greener on the other side. Type S is fast will pull away any turbo 2.0Liter TLX stock from the factory. Once the warranty runs out tuners getting their hands on both turbo engines will make more HP then we can imagine. Reliability might be questioned or suspect on 3.0L Type S when boasted above factory specs 440 hp to rival M3, M4 cars will see how the future of the model hold up. Bet the 2.0 L turbo with tuned ECU and running higher boast will be on par with Tyoe S in many ways add brembo brakes and bigger tires two models Aspec and type S will be indistinguishable with the history of the two models.
It's all about bang for your buck. 3.0 liter engine looks nice but 2.0 liter might be more reliable and importantly better for your pocket book.
Acura made S-type chassis stiffer, with bigger 20" wheels better handling, 10 speed transmission shifts smoothly . Wish they used ZF- 9 speed or 8 speed, while their 10 speed transmission has shown no troubles with reliability and cost is factor time will tell if it can withstand the power output for tuners. Power of the 3.0 liter engine 350 hp and torque seems on par with C43 years ago and 340i yet still trail in performance within the 0-60 times i'm certain. Acura needs to develop small battery hybrid powered like Lexus and BMW do with m440i to get the competitive edge of speed and podium finishes with 0-60 times in low 4 second mark.
Will take Acura constant improvement to the S-type over the years unless they stop making them in short production run limiting capacity to have a false demand for this model. Every 14 years they come out with special edition to anticipate there performance roots keeping it as grand touring halo car that is affordable. In any case wish they made coupe version of this power plant rather than sedan. Since the older accord coupes were found to be less agile and performed worse than the sedans honda produced market share shrunk for coupe's making it instinct. Not financially profitable to manufacture or sell. Don't know how BMW or Benz keeping making coupes without losing their shirts.
Conclusion find often the grass isn't greener on the other side. Type S is fast will pull away any turbo 2.0Liter TLX stock from the factory. Once the warranty runs out tuners getting their hands on both turbo engines will make more HP then we can imagine. Reliability might be questioned or suspect on 3.0L Type S when boasted above factory specs 440 hp to rival M3, M4 cars will see how the future of the model hold up. Bet the 2.0 L turbo with tuned ECU and running higher boast will be on par with Tyoe S in many ways add brembo brakes and bigger tires two models Aspec and type S will be indistinguishable with the history of the two models.
It's all about bang for your buck. 3.0 liter engine looks nice but 2.0 liter might be more reliable and importantly better for your pocket book.
05-06-2021, 12:15 AM
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Here's the problem: some folks are so far removed from reality and are such fanatics that anyone with a more moderate and nuanced take appears to them as haters. If I contend that the Type S will not "smoke" an RC-F (which mind you is in a different class altogether), I'm a hater? If we're lucky it might be as fast as it, but smoke it? Sounds more like someone is smoking something all right.
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05-06-2021, 12:38 AM
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Evidently fanboys also do care about performance. Exhibit A:
Not quite sure how else to describe someone who expects the Type S to "smoke" a car that weighs less and makes over 120hp more than it. Delusional comes to mind.
Here's the problem: some folks are so far removed from reality and are such fanatics that anyone with a more moderate and nuanced take appears to them as haters. If I contend that the Type S will not "smoke" an RC-F (which mind you is in a different class altogether), I'm a hater? If we're lucky it might be as fast as it, but smoke it? Sounds more like someone is smoking something all right.
Not quite sure how else to describe someone who expects the Type S to "smoke" a car that weighs less and makes over 120hp more than it. Delusional comes to mind.
Here's the problem: some folks are so far removed from reality and are such fanatics that anyone with a more moderate and nuanced take appears to them as haters. If I contend that the Type S will not "smoke" an RC-F (which mind you is in a different class altogether), I'm a hater? If we're lucky it might be as fast as it, but smoke it? Sounds more like someone is smoking something all right.
05-06-2021, 04:35 AM
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05-06-2021, 05:07 AM
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Why would they say that?
Think they just wanted to show its competitive so it was a good plan. Most people have no idea what the actual performance of these cars is. If it can run with a German car its back in the game. Two things, not sure the actually ran a balls out comparison with the S4. Track runs were paced by an NSX to get good add material showing both cars on the track. Did not see everything so don't know if they ran a 1/4 mile Type-S vs S4. Maybe a FAN can comment. Also think for adds the S vs S makes good copy. People think S on a car ID is something special in performance.
Will be a lot of YouTube buzz till the 3 magazine tests are released. Should give the car a good start.
Maybe the marketing department finally got its head out of its ass.
?Think they just wanted to show its competitive so it was a good plan. Most people have no idea what the actual performance of these cars is. If it can run with a German car its back in the game. Two things, not sure the actually ran a balls out comparison with the S4. Track runs were paced by an NSX to get good add material showing both cars on the track. Did not see everything so don't know if they ran a 1/4 mile Type-S vs S4. Maybe a FAN can comment. Also think for adds the S vs S makes good copy. People think S on a car ID is something special in performance.
Will be a lot of YouTube buzz till the 3 magazine tests are released. Should give the car a good start.
Maybe the marketing department finally got its head out of its ass.
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05-06-2021, 05:20 AM
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Would not say they all flipped to a life of 0-60, 1/4 mile, track day & AutoX quite yet. No hard numbers from anyone especially the 3 magazines. Plenty of time yet to sit on the fence & ponder the cars performance & decide if raw performance counts. They played games with the G4 press party running a tight course by placing cones on the Honda test track where none of the cars could get up to speed. I hate to run the COBRA on a parking lot course against a prepared Miata because it will kick my ass.
Remember they also ran the initial TLX against the BMW 330 under controlled conditions for its introduction TV adds.
Remember they also ran the initial TLX against the BMW 330 under controlled conditions for its introduction TV adds.
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05-06-2021, 05:58 AM
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Agree sort of. C&D did the S4 at 4.2 with a .2 rollout. So 4.4 for a street start. Type S should be close to that with AWD helping the launch maybe closer to 4.6/4.7. I don't except the premises stated by someone that it has to be quicker than the Audi or they would not have brung it to run it. The BMW 330 is quicker than the TLX 4 but they ran adds showing both cars on the track for its introduction. Thats the IMAGE that marketing wants to create, the Type-S in frame on the track with the NSX & Audi S4. The Type-S only needs to be in the sub 5 second ball park.
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05-06-2021, 06:15 AM
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Can anyone confirm this information, there is no vtec with the type-s? I've been seeing this comment through different social media posts. I was wrong about the engine being chain driven, clearly in the split engine view it shows a timing belt. I wonder what the service interval for the timing belt service is.
05-06-2021, 06:37 AM
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Can anyone confirm this information, there is no vtec with the type-s? I've been seeing this comment through different social media posts. I was wrong about the engine being chain driven, clearly in the split engine view it shows a timing belt. I wonder what the service interval for the timing belt service is.
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05-06-2021, 07:20 AM
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lol. Try to keep up. ELIN said...
and I was refuting his claim that C&D's 5.9s is an outlier (since MW got a 5.8s and A-on-A got a 5.7s). So clearly 5.9s is NOT an outlier.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
05-06-2021, 07:24 AM
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lol. Try to keep up. ELIN said...
and I was refuting his claim that C&D's 5.9s is an outlier (since MW got a 5.8s and A-on-A got a 5.7s). So clearly 5.9s is NOT an outlier.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
and I was refuting his claim that C&D's 5.9s is an outlier (since MW got a 5.8s and A-on-A got a 5.7s). So clearly 5.9s is NOT an outlier.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
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05-06-2021, 08:15 AM
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The inconvenient truth
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05-06-2021, 08:25 AM
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https://youtu.be/6wRvQXKqG1Q
fast forward to 2:20
fast forward to 2:20
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05-06-2021, 08:35 AM
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Some notes from that video 9.8 compression ratio, similar to the NSX'a 10, 20" wheels standard, that rear diffuser probably adds couple hundred pounds of downforce.
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05-06-2021, 08:51 AM
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The engine looks like what was shown on VTEC.org, which looks like a chain driven variable valve timing actuators on the ends of the sprockets. From the video the plastic timing chain cover bulges out from the middle of the cam locations so guessing those are the oil pressure controlled actuators which is the same as the 2017 Honda US patent for their DOHC V6 with VVT, VVL, and VCM. Lotta shielding around the turbo, although probably perfectly adequate woulda thought the aluminum heat shields would be little higher quality (crimped and rolled the edges) from an ascetic's point of view
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05-06-2021, 08:53 AM
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lol. Try to keep up. ELIN said...
and I was refuting his claim that C&D's 5.9s is an outlier (since MW got a 5.8s and A-on-A got a 5.7s). So clearly 5.9s is NOT an outlier.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
and I was refuting his claim that C&D's 5.9s is an outlier (since MW got a 5.8s and A-on-A got a 5.7s). So clearly 5.9s is NOT an outlier.
And in that discussion, it doesn't matter where 99.99% people launch their cars. ELIN was comparing Sofyan's 0-60 from a public road shoulder to C&D's 0-60 from a standardized test track. Clearly not comparable settings.
05-06-2021, 09:02 AM
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standardized test track
So comparing different street launches are meaningless unless they were done on the same pavement and conditions. That's why majority of media places go to a maintained track where that pavement friction variable is the same for their tests noting the track temp and obviously dry.
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05-06-2021, 09:15 AM
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From that video brief review, the 5'7" commentator looks fine for room in the rear seat
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05-06-2021, 09:28 AM
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Burning Brakes
Which begs the question, the beefier trans should have been used in the regular TLX as well to have sub 6 launches consistently. Honda gets basic, Acura gets sports version.
05-06-2021, 09:54 AM
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https://youtu.be/6wRvQXKqG1Q
fast forward to 2:20
fast forward to 2:20
A few new specs we haven’t seen before that video...
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05-06-2021, 10:21 AM
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It seems like one of the things we still need to find out is how the SHAWD system handles the torque load - even in the 2.0t it has to limit the torque in the lower gears right? Which is part of the reason the 2.0t is "slower" than maybe it otherwise ought to be. Like I don't see how they could have just put the same rear differential into the car but I haven't seen anything that says otherwise...
However it seems likely that they've done something about it given that they have an S4 on hand to compare - which is ~4.5 seconds to 60 I believe. With the weight of the car and the stated HP I don't see how the TLX will get close to that if they also have to greatly limit the torque in the lower gears.
0-60 times aren't the whole story but clearly the Type-S has to be below 5 seconds - anything above 5 seconds and Acura should just close up shop. I can't imagine they'd be so dumb as to have an S4 there and not have the TLX at least within a few tenths.
There is a lot that goes into 0-60 testing and AWD cars are notoriously finicky to launch. Didn't Top Gear do a thing where Clarkson and the Stig drag raced and they switched cars and both times the Stig won because he was just better at launching the AWD car? Redline Reviews said they were doing a drag race with the S4 and TLX...like I wonder how that will go...
However it seems likely that they've done something about it given that they have an S4 on hand to compare - which is ~4.5 seconds to 60 I believe. With the weight of the car and the stated HP I don't see how the TLX will get close to that if they also have to greatly limit the torque in the lower gears.
0-60 times aren't the whole story but clearly the Type-S has to be below 5 seconds - anything above 5 seconds and Acura should just close up shop. I can't imagine they'd be so dumb as to have an S4 there and not have the TLX at least within a few tenths.
There is a lot that goes into 0-60 testing and AWD cars are notoriously finicky to launch. Didn't Top Gear do a thing where Clarkson and the Stig drag raced and they switched cars and both times the Stig won because he was just better at launching the AWD car? Redline Reviews said they were doing a drag race with the S4 and TLX...like I wonder how that will go...
05-06-2021, 10:23 AM
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It seems like one of the things we still need to find out is how the SHAWD system handles the torque load - even in the 2.0t it has to limit the torque in the lower gears right? Which is part of the reason the 2.0t is "slower" than maybe it otherwise ought to be. Like I don't see how they could have just put the same rear differential into the car but I haven't seen anything that says otherwise...
However it seems likely that they've done something about it given that they have an S4 on hand to compare - which is ~4.5 seconds to 60 I believe. With the weight of the car and the stated HP I don't see how the TLX will get close to that if they also have to greatly limit the torque in the lower gears.
0-60 times aren't the whole story but clearly the Type-S has to be below 5 seconds - anything above 5 seconds and Acura should just close up shop. I can't imagine they'd be so dumb as to have an S4 there and not have the TLX at least within a few tenths.
There is a lot that goes into 0-60 testing and AWD cars are notoriously finicky to launch. Didn't Top Gear do a thing where Clarkson and the Stig drag raced and they switched cars and both times the Stig won because he was just better at launching the AWD car? Redline Reviews said they were doing a drag race with the S4 and TLX...like I wonder how that will go...
However it seems likely that they've done something about it given that they have an S4 on hand to compare - which is ~4.5 seconds to 60 I believe. With the weight of the car and the stated HP I don't see how the TLX will get close to that if they also have to greatly limit the torque in the lower gears.
0-60 times aren't the whole story but clearly the Type-S has to be below 5 seconds - anything above 5 seconds and Acura should just close up shop. I can't imagine they'd be so dumb as to have an S4 there and not have the TLX at least within a few tenths.
There is a lot that goes into 0-60 testing and AWD cars are notoriously finicky to launch. Didn't Top Gear do a thing where Clarkson and the Stig drag raced and they switched cars and both times the Stig won because he was just better at launching the AWD car? Redline Reviews said they were doing a drag race with the S4 and TLX...like I wonder how that will go...
05-06-2021, 10:53 AM
#911
Great review for the type s. Can’t wait to see performance reviews. I know everyone is different but I don’t buy my vehicles based of a 0-60 time it’s how the whole package is put together. However, I think it’s 0-60 will be around 4.5 seconds which is perfect for daily use. In the videos from TFL I wonder if that was brake boost or if that was a true lunch control setting. Regardless, I’m excited for Acura, this is a base that they can definitely build on in the future.
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05-06-2021, 11:07 AM
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05-06-2021, 11:17 AM
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I'm a bit surprised the highway MPGs are so low, considering it has a 10-speed. By comparison, the M340xi is EPA rated at 31 highway, S4 is 28, and C43 4matic is 27. Shouldn't highway MPGs be one of the benefits of having so many gears? And it's not like this car is shaped like a brick, so I don't think it can be chalked up to aerodynamics.
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05-06-2021, 11:26 AM
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I'm a bit surprised the highway MPGs are so low, considering it has a 10-speed. By comparison, the M340xi is EPA rated at 31 highway, S4 is 28, and C43 4matic is 27. Shouldn't highway MPGs be one of the benefits of having so many gears? And it's not like this car is shaped like a brick, so I don't think it can be chalked up to aerodynamics.
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05-06-2021, 11:47 AM
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I'm a bit surprised the highway MPGs are so low, considering it has a 10-speed. By comparison, the M340xi is EPA rated at 31 highway, S4 is 28, and C43 4matic is 27. Shouldn't highway MPGs be one of the benefits of having so many gears? And it's not like this car is shaped like a brick, so I don't think it can be chalked up to aerodynamics.
05-06-2021, 11:48 AM
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I was never able to get EPA estimates in town or highway with my 2019 RDX (and I drive with a pretty feather touch most of the time) so my guess is real world overall numbers will be in the high teens combined.
05-06-2021, 11:58 AM
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05-06-2021, 12:01 PM
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This. Honestly, I don't even care if it has the other go fast bits like the front Brembos, fancier suspension, etc. seeing how it's a crossover after all. Just drop the powertrain into the RDX, maybe make the infotainment a touchscreen, price it under $60K, and I'll be first in line for an RDX Type-S.
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05-06-2021, 12:01 PM
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I think you missed his point which is not the same as public roads which are highly variable in pavement friction depending on their pavement type, condition, age, environmental variable (weather, grit/sand/rocks,......)
So comparing different street launches are meaningless unless they were done on the same pavement and conditions. That's why majority of media places go to a maintained track where that pavement friction variable is the same for their tests noting the track temp and obviously dry.
So comparing different street launches are meaningless unless they were done on the same pavement and conditions. That's why majority of media places go to a maintained track where that pavement friction variable is the same for their tests noting the track temp and obviously dry.
I'm out.
