dmski

Considering that TLX sales for December still includes a large chunk of 1G the numbers are actually pretty bad. Acura will need to start offering heavy incentives, there's just no way of getting around it. Their pricing is just whack. I guess they had to test it to see for themselves. Once incentives hit it should move the needle but I just don't see this car reaching 1G TLX sales at its peak. We know the trend is Cuv/Suv and it ain't changing anytime soon.....

F23A4

Oh FFS!

KeithL

‘probably a few things, pandemic, higher unemployment, people deciding to sit tight and people like me. I have 19 TLX ASPEC I have had since June 2018. My wife and I are WFH all year and my company downsized office space and is going permanent WFH. My wife has 19 RDX Advance from August 2018. My lease is up in 5 months, hers in 7. I put less than 1000 miles in last 12 months. I was offered $2500 over my payoff from Vroom and we decided not need for 2 cars for the foreseeable future. Wife’s daughter is doing same thing, downsizing from 2 cars to one. I suspect we are not alone. Also it is very likely economic down turn is not done and people know that so why eat a big bill u til we get on the other side of 2021.

While I love my ASPEC, I can pocket $2500 and save over $2k in payments remaining on the lease and avoid the $500 disposable fee. I am not digging new TLX interior and will not spend $55K for a decontented Type-S. I was eying the G70, but gain if I am going to put a few thousand miles a year why bother. And even if I get another car an EV is looking more appealing every day. I have put maybe 3 tanks of gas in since April.

dio

lol, no. When I purchased my 2021 Aspec 6 weeks ago none of the dealers in my area had any 2020 TLX. With the heavy discounts they had, they had liquidated all of them. That’s was November.

neuronbob

Ye gods, I hope not. My Accord's touch screen is super-easy to use. I strongly prefer that to True Touch. I'd love it if Acura just copied Honda's touch screen system.

BEAR-AvHistory

Makes you wonder it the right hand knows what the left hand is doing at Honda/Acura. Surprised they killed the touch screen when they did True Touch.

Tesla1856

Agreed. I thought the dual-screen setup (like in our 2014-MDX) worked fine. Both the wife and I liked it and had no problems using it. The on-board NAV and turn-by-turn directions worked great. I read that in 2017 or so they gave it a faster processor, Siri Eyes-Free and CarPlay. I think the resolution on the backup-cam got increased as well.
In fact, tried it out in a 2020-TLX Tech-AWD test-drive back in early 2020, and it seemed fine (even the voice recognition seemed improved). Almost bought that car.

CheeseyPoofs McNut

FYI - any and all posts which are political in nature will be deleted.

Plenty of other forums to discuss that if you wish - this one is all about cars.

04WDPSeDaN

iTrader: (1)

Thank you!

It's bad enough on Facebook but we don't need this crap in the car section.

ELIN

That dual-screen setup was also the last setup that allowed you to play music off the USB port and use CarPlay simultaneously. It makes sense to me now since it was probably 2 disparate systems allowing for 2 data ports.

Now I'm stuck with one port and have to choose whether to listen to HQ music through the single smart port with crappy Acura nav or lossy streaming music with WAZE nav via the CarPlay. 1 step forward, 2 steps back!

Tony Pac

Thank you for your detailed message. Nailed it. the world situation is not great and I am surprised December sales were high for most brands. WFH, unemployment, and the pandemic are enough reasons for many of us to reflect about life than just buying a car. I did not have any plan to change my wife's car but we got a great deal and we did it. But I postponed my car shopping as I don't drive and one car is more than enough for now. I was very close to get a 2020 RDX A-SPEC. I changed my mind last min. I said to myself what's the point? buy a brand new car and park it lol!

ELIN

Also auto insurance companies laughing all the way to the bank. Very few are giving breaks in the form of rebate checks or similar. Are most folks paying pre-pandemic rates?

BEAR-AvHistory

Between Leith Raleigh/Cary & Hendrick Southport there are about 50 2020 TLX cars in inventory. The 2020 that seems to be backlogged is the MDX there are almost 200 on the lots.

fiatlux

All depends on where you live. In my area, I see just as many cars with new car plates as I did last year. And anecdotally, many of my previously carless coworkers and friends have bought cars this year because they no longer feel safe taking public transportation or ubers.

Tesla1856

1. Not only that, most if not all had "on board jukebox music storage" as another source to play from. It's was either flash/SSD or HDD and fairly large-space.

2. Does seem like an over-sight. Almost like no-one at Acura actually used the current system in a daily-driver. Surprised no 2019+ RDX owners discovered and reported this, so it could be addressed by now.

Can you load your high-res, high-quality, loss-less music files onto the iPhone itself? Basically, use the iPhone as a flash-drive?

Tesla1856

Hard to tell for us here since about that same time, we swapped-out our vehicles for more expensive ones (so, obviously, it went up a bit).

F23A4

Reading this post caused me to have a 'GREAT SCOTT!' moment (a la BTTF Doc Brown) in that I'm in that exact circumstance with my TLX. I just checked Vroom and it seems that the offer amount I received is only $60 less than the payoff amount shown on AFS's website.

Seems like now could be as good a time as any to unload my very nice but extremely underutilized TLX.

Agreed 100%!

BEAR-AvHistory

Guys are paying more but less than MSRP for the 2021 Z4. Slight price increase & most incentives are gone. Light to no inventory means most of the cars need to be ordered from Austria. Right now there are no cars within 100 miles of here. Looked at some big cities & maybe one or two cars in inventory. One of the guys on the BMW form took delivery of a 2021 in Phoenix AZ looks like the only one, it was an ordered car. Its a low volume car normally but my dealers usually had 2 or 3 in inventory.

Pure supply & demand. The TypeS will be priced to the demand so I can't see any upselling Market Adjustment rip offs. The pre-orders so far are just not there. Maybe some favorable road tests in the next month or so will boost the pre-orders.

vhtran

My in-law has a 2019 Accord and he loves it (Honda guy) and we decided to get him an upgrade as we promised. I had him tested the 21 RDX, which he loved it as well, but then when he checked the 21 Audi Q5, he picked the Q5 because of the touch screen and the virtual cockpit. =)

ELIN

Sounds like "True Touch" lost another customer!

ELIN

I don't think so. Once the lightning cable is attached, you are automatically in CarPlay mode with no chance at getting stored HQ files. The only way to do this would be if "Files" was a valid CarPlay app, which I've never seen show up. CarPlay is great but the amount of compatible apps is still quite limited.

I think in the past, iTunes allowed you to upload whatever songs you wanted directly to the phone. Now you have to download to the PC and then upload to the cloud, at which point it only comes back as lossy files. I'm just glad to be able to put my old DVD-A onto a USB stick at least...

CPR

Can you plug the USB Stick into the 2nd outlet, & still use Apple CarPlay, for Waze Navigation?

ELIN

No. Only for charging.

KeithL

yeah and Vroom is clawing at Carvana for market share and they need good inventory. Carvana offered me about about $900 over my payoff or about $1500 less than Vroom. I am also going to Carmax tomorrow and bring both offers and tell them if they come in between the 2 the car is theirs. I am not holding out hope as most people are saying Carmax offers have been pretty low.

Colorado Guy AF Ret.

Yep, most all Acura dealers have a large inventory of '20 MDX's. Acura was 2 mos. behind in bringing out the 2022 MDX and so they told the dealers..."oh, don't worry, we'll send you extra '20 MDX's so you will
have inventory to sell. So, they got them shipped to them even though they didn't want as many as they got!! My dealer was NOT HAPPY with all the units dumped on them. They had approx. 109 at one point,
and even now still show 96 on the lot. It's a pain in their butts. They know it will take them awhile to move them out, and the 2022's will start arriving in "decent numbers, but, not enough, by approx. Mar. 1st. My
dealer is getting 20 then. On Feb. 2nd, the "declared day by Acura that they will be on the lots"....my dealer will get 4! Acura is slowing down the delivery: ONE, because they were 2 mos. behind in the introduction,
and TWO, they know dealers have all those '20's sitting on the lots. My Adv. will be among those 20 units arriving around Mar. 1st. My new car mgr. is not very happy....as he looks out at the very crowded lots full of
'20 MDX's!! He of course needs to get that inventory off the books....PLUS he needs the space for other units. Crazy situation. Not really Acura's fault....it truly falls back on the whole COVID issue.

KeithL

Yeah the world situation will not change much until at least later this year. By then I should have pocketed an extra $7K that would have went to car payments and insurance for a car that got less than 2000 miles in last 12 months. Hell on the few times there may be a conflict with my wife’s car I can do an Uber as long as weather is decent wear a mask and leave wi does open.

I already set up extra automatic funds transfers so that my normal car and insurance payments go to a savings account. I treat it as out of sight and out of mind.

Tony Pac

109 cars. That’s crazy.

Also, based on my research US car sales were not bad at all for Q4. Canada is impacted (Covid) a lot more than the US in my opinion. Or May be we Canadians are more conservative. I think the 2022 MDX will take over RDX sales and will be Acura number one seller.

Edward'TLS

This really depends on how Acura decides to price the new MDX. Just see how the increased pricing has stifled the new TLX in terms of sales number.

Kense

I actually bought a new fun car BECUASE of the pandemic. One of the few things we can even do out here in California with everything being shut down is drive. So me and some friends take our cars up in the hills of San Francisco and Oakland and drive.

ELIN

There are lots of sidestreets in the downtown area (close to Lombard) that will have you replacing brakes once a year.

Drive safe!

Kense

lol yeah those see no action, talk about bottoming out.

BEAR-AvHistory

Press release

In a year where car sales were down across the board, BMW at least has some good news to report. With 278,732 cars sold, the Bavarian brand narrowly took the U.S. luxury-car sales crown last year. As BMW Blog points out, BMW was just ahead of Lexus, which sold 275,041 cars, and Mercedes-Benz, which sold 274,916. Audi sold 186,520 cars last year, while Acura rounded out the luxury top-five with 136,982 cars sold.

fiatlux

I went in to look at the model breakdown...I was actually surprised to see that the X3 outsold the 3+4 series by only 10K units, or about 20%. I was expecting much higher, with all the talk about how sedans are dead and crossovers are king. Compare that to the RDX which outsold the TLX by 140% (yeah, I know, not exactly a fair comparison since it was largely the last model year for the TLX).

BEAR-AvHistory

Think its also interesting with all the hits Audi takes here that they sold 50,000 more cars in the USA than Acura. Thing to also remember is the German cars sell world wide not just US, Canada, Russia & China like Acura.

BMW reported sales of its namesake branded vehicles which rose 2 percent to a record 2.17 million cars last year. Mercedes said its sales increased 1.3 percent to 2.34 million vehicles. Audi came in third with 1.85 million cars sold in 2019, an increase of 1.8 percent compared to the previous year.

Captive company sales like Rolls Royce etc are not included in the German numbers

Speed Guy

I love the idea of an EV - but what would you suggest that matches performance AND luxury of, say, the G70 at the same price?

sonyfever

I don't track the market, but I am pretty sure you can get very good deals on 3 series, has to be 10%+ off to reach the sales volume. 4 series was on its final months so not surprised to have clearance sale.

Speed Guy

10% off an m340i is still $63K...

Tony Pac

December 2020: 648 TLX were sold in Canada. I am sure the 2020 TLX helped to increase this number but still very impressive. Usually C Class is the King but not this time.

Kense

What? No it's not, my nearly loaded M340 I was $64K and after $2500 in rebates and with 10% off you're looking at a 55K car.

fiatlux

More like 10% off an M3 is $63K