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I know this 1st hand with my tuned M40i.. 418 TQ peeking at 2800 RPM and that's power to all 4 wheels. It sure pins you in the seat and the "Shit that's fast" words come out of my mouth.
Unfortunately the vinyl ... err... LEATHER that Acura uses is garbage. I redid my interior with leatherseats.com using their 100% full leather kit. Took me three days to finish everything but my interior looks incredible! Check them out and see if they have a replacement kit for your 4th gen.
NJ doesn't mess around with state troopers, especially on the damn parkway. Truth be told, I drive very conservative because of how the cops are in this state. To anyone driving through NJ, avoid driving above the speed limit during the last week of every month.
Rule of thumb is to keep it at 10 mph above or less on the highways and you largely shouldn’t have any issues with the NJSP.
As far as municipalities, it all depends on the town in question. In my town, you have to be driving like a prick to get stopped. In neighboring North Brunswick, you just need to be caught watching Mod2Fame on YouTube to get stopped.
Damn, it was interesting to see 35-year-old me posting. I’ve been on this forum for so...damn...long. As you can read, I loved the 3G TL from the start, and I still love it long after it’s discontinuance, and the buying public agreed with me LOL. I ended up being one of those “beta-testers” I talked about in my posts! I took delivery of the first 2004 TL available in Northeast Ohio, having put down a deposit early. Had no real problems with my 3G, either. It continues to be one of the best car purchases I ever made...but then I wanted to try the then new SH-AWD and moved to the RL...
This time, I don’t have a deposit down largely because I am awaiting Type S reviews. There is a non-zero likelihood that I end up in an A-Spec instead even though, as always, the packaging Acura planners have made is not quite what I’d choose.
Damn, it was interesting to see 35-year-old me posting. I’ve been on this forum for so...damn...long. As you can read, I loved the 3G TL from the start, and I still love it long after it’s discontinuance, and the buying public agreed with me LOL. I ended up being one of those “beta-testers” I talked about in my posts! I took delivery of the first 2004 TL available in Northeast Ohio, having put down a deposit early. Had no real problems with my 3G, either. It continues to be one of the best car purchases I ever made...but then I wanted to try the then new SH-AWD and moved to the RL...
This time, I don’t have a deposit down largely because I am awaiting Type S reviews. There is a non-zero likelihood that I end up in an A-Spec instead even though, as always, the packaging Acura planners have made is not quite what I’d choose.
At least you can look back upon it fondly.
I have stumbled upon my early posts on this forum as a teenager and I cringed.
I have stumbled upon my early posts on this forum as a teenager and I cringed.
I can only image what mine would read like (are CompuServe and Quantum-Link/AOL still around) ?
I know as I matured, my vehicle wants and priorities changed. But I have never liked after-market mods. I liked the higher-trim levels and performance options (if I could afford them) but it had to be "stock looking".
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I feel the same way for my daily drivers. While I am not afraid to mod (example: my twin-turbo NA2 NSX), I’ve been less likely to mod my daily drivers, preferring to enjoy them as they are. Then again, if I were my younger self, with only one car to play with instead of several, I’d be quicker to mod.
I have stumbled upon my early posts on this forum as a teenager and I cringed.
Heck some of my posts from only ~5 years ago I cringe at
Originally Posted by Tesla1856
I can only image what mine would read like (are CompuServe and Quantum-Link/AOL still around) ?
I know as I matured, my vehicle wants and priorities changed. But I have never liked after-market mods. I liked the higher-trim levels and performance options (if I could afford them) but it had to be "stock looking".
feel the same way about most modding. Some of it is aesthetics, value (alot of modding devalues in general), some degrades performance (i.e. large wheels or radical suspension changes), ...
I'm guessing some do. However I don't think you can extrapolate anything from a handful of people on one site complaining about the upcoming release. Not saying some points aren't valid however its easy to see 5 people who with agree with you on a website and feel validated when in reality that doesn't mean anything in the big picture
yeah, I imagine some do read it but probably don't take internet forums too seriously as you pointed out. Hyperbole comments, trolls, fanboys, haters, ....
I'd imagine the majority of info auto makers get is from marketing research groups and companies. A former colleague's wife works at one in Maryland that did the bulk of US market research for the pre-design phase of the 1G Cayenne. It was one of the uncommon times she could say who she was working for. Porsche was so happy with her work, they sent her and her husband Porsche mountain bicycles (worth several $k). Most of the time she can't say who or what she's researching due to NDA's and CDA's. Many auto makers have thinned out their marketing departments so many outsource alot of the research.
The engineer in me loves seeing body in white pics
Front structural section is fairly common as it has twin box sections per side with individual front mini-bulkheads to join them together
Simple lower crossover beam that mostly localizes the left/right side and supports the radiator/condenser/intercooler, probably cannot jack it up there like most newer Honda/Acura's
temp hood handle to allow painting of engine bay and hood
Great! Thanks for sharing...so exciting to see these pics. How long do you think it takes for them to deliver the car to dealers? Any idea
My guestimation is 1-2 days assembly then 1-3 days delivery to the dealers, guessing the initial cars will produce at a lower rate to get workers some learning curve with the new model manufacturing startup.
I'm assuming Honda has already gone through NPI (New Product Introduction) of the 2G TLX and previously built 1-2 dozen initial production cars to
final check mechanical stackup quality check for tolerances and fittings
give production engineering examples to document the assembly tasks and train assembly line workers with installing the various subassemblies (front drivetrain completed subframe, rear suspension subframe, dash, seats, carpeting, soft body panels, wire harnesses,.....)
final welding inspections (destructive and nondestructive tests on welds)
final painting check (hand and robotic painting, dipping, heat drying)
check and calibrate all the factory tooling for assembly (torque values and sequences)
probably forgetting a several dozen other things as well, NPI is never fun
yeah, I imagine some do read it but probably don't take internet forums too seriously as you pointed out. Hyperbole comments, trolls, fanboys, haters, ....
I'd imagine the majority of info auto makers get is from marketing research groups and companies. A former colleague's wife works at one in Maryland that did the bulk of US market research for the pre-design phase of the 1G Cayenne. It was one of the uncommon times she could say who she was working for. Porsche was so happy with her work, they sent her and her husband Porsche mountain bicycles (worth several $k). Most of the time she can't say who or what she's researching due to NDA's and CDA's. Many auto makers have thinned out their marketing departments so many outsource alot of the research.
If Acura actually cared what a few members interspersed on forums said, we would have had Acura Legends with RWD V8 powertrains. Manual too.
The DWB look like past Honda/Acura designs with the banana shaped steering knuckle for the upper balljoint above the tire (dating back to the 2G Prelude) and lower control arm 2/3 the length used as the coilover fulcrum point
Lower control arm looks like aluminum
Steering knuckle and coilover lower Y fork look like ductile iron
twin piston floating brake caliper (Nissin?)
That wheel speed sensor cable (black/white wire) coulda used another inch of length for strain relief when suspension unloaded
I guess now I can sorta visualize how the new V6 will fit into the Type-S using the same driveline config of the 4 cyl TLX (transverse with engine on the right).
The rear of the front fender to the rear of the front wheel arch looks pretty large (guessing ~2x of a 3G TL) for a FWD.
The 10AT will have the input shaft which connects to the crankshaft via the torque converter in front of the center plane of the front wheels.
The 10AT output shaft is in the same plane as the front wheel centers
The front overhang also looks large from this pic so using the distance from the 10AT transaxle input to output shafts looks like ~10" from pics that would place the crankshaft at approx at the wheel weight of the front right tire in this pic
So I can see how a V6 fits but begs the question why is the front legroom so small especially compared to the competition?
The extra chassis length of the 2G TLX should allow alot of room for each front occupant to have more footwell room, so besides air what is in that area behind the lower front drivetrain?
I presuming the lower front control arm uses the Honda/Acura style "pillow" bushing in the rear pickup point which is biased forward compared to the lateral style bushing of the forward pickup point (Honda/Acura lower A arms look more like right angle triangles) so it's probably not the suspension. Many chassis have oblong firewalls that elongate the footwells for that reason.
Here's what I don't get, and it's the value proposition.
I called the local Genesis dealership today about a G70 3.3t with the Elite package. This is a comparable vehicle, missing maybe a couple of options. MSRP is right about $50K. With just asking the sales rep what their opening offer was, he said $46K, and down to $45K with conquest.
This represents a discount of $8-$10K over the TLX-S.
Are the vehicles not comparable. Is the G80 the right target here?
My wife just got an RDX and I love how it drives, but at $55K the Type-S is going to have tight competition.
Here's what I don't get, and it's the value proposition.
I called the local Genesis dealership today about a G70 3.3t with the Elite package. This is a comparable vehicle, missing maybe a couple of options. MSRP is right about $50K. With just asking the sales rep what their opening offer was, he said $46K, and down to $45K with conquest.
This represents a discount of $8-$10K over the TLX-S.
Are the vehicles not comparable. Is the G80 the right target here?
My wife just got an RDX and I love how it drives, but at $55K the Type-S is going to have tight competition.
Supply and demand. If people are only willing to pay $45k for a g70 3.3t elite and Hyundai is happy to sell at price, then that's where the car is valued at, imo.
Same for the tlx s. They may ask $53, 54k msrp but it comes down to how much people are willing to pay. People are getting $10k off m340i too so these competitors likely have no choice but to discount accordingly. This is probably especially true during covid.
Agreed. If Acura finds that these aren't flying off the shelves, or is behind projected sales, they'll start offering discounts just like Genesis. Hell, my current TLX had an MSRP around $32k and I picked it up fresh off the truck for around $27k out the door with all taxes and fees included back in 2016.
I feel like Genesis still is kinda in a startup phase since they don't have dedicated dealerships setup yet, nor the brand recognition. It'll take at least a decade or more before they get there. But what they've done in a very short time is impressive. Definitely on the top of my list for possible replacements for my TLX.
08-23-2020, 06:09 PM
I know this 1st hand with my tuned M40i.. 418 TQ peeking at 2800 RPM and that's power to all 4 wheels. It sure pins you in the seat and the "Shit that's fast" words come out of my mouth.
(are CompuServe and Quantum-Link/AOL still around) ?
feel the same way about most modding. Some of it is aesthetics, value (alot of modding devalues in general), some degrades performance (i.e. large wheels or radical suspension changes), ...
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