CollinR4

Well, I did not expect that. So much for Mid-30's, throw in the destination fee and taxes and cheapest one is over $40K.

And yes, the sports sedan's price takes a big jump, with the entry-level TLX 2.0T and its turbocharged four-cylinder engine starting at $38,525.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/2021...-type-s-price/

pyrodan007

According to that article, starting price for Type-S is 52k US, ouch.

MSZ

Official pricings freight not included:

https://www.acura.com/future-vehicle...inkId=97619713
Base 37500
Tech 41500
A-Spec 44250
Advance 46300
SHAWD 2000 on all trims

Type-S low to mid 50000s

fiatlux

While I was wrong about the final price, I'm going to toot my own horn here and point out that I was right about the relative price increase over the base model. I certainly did not expect the base model to start so high.

https://acurazine.com/forums/second-.../#post16616298

fiatlux

The feature sheet is out too. Looks like it is confirmed the Type-S is not going to get any Advance features other than the 16-way power driver seat and adaptive dampers (360 camera, power folding mirrors, heated rear seats, heated steering wheel, and HUD being the most notable omissions), and actually loses the foglights that the A-Spec does get.

honda_nut

Oh, forget that. The new TLX is nice, but doesn't seem that nice. At the $52k starting price for a Type-S, I'd rather look at the competition. I'll still give it a test drive when it comes out, but this no longer seems appealing especially given it's also ran performance numbers. Maybe I'm wrong, but the interior, even though night and day compared to the 1G TLX, seems lacking. A lot of hard, rough cut plastics around the center console, door panels, etc, and the gloss black trim near the drive selector annoys me. Also the stitching in the seats seems nothing special, with the skunk like alacantra strip going through the middle. Hell, that same seat design is on the Civic.

Idk, seems like Acura is in an in between place. They're trying to get out of the value player image, but doesn't seem like they've done enough.

honda_nut

100% agreed. It's hard not to notice those Koreans. I've been watching all the Genesis G80 and GV80 videos on youtube, and I'm blown away by those interiors. The attention to detail is crazy.

AcuraFan1980

Can you link me to this?

the pricing annoys me a little bit also

fiatlux

For shits and giggles, I spec'd an M340i as closely as possible to what the Type-S will be equipped with. It comes out to $64K, so sticker-to-sticker the Type-S still undercuts it by about $10K (the gap will likely shrink since the M340i can be had for well under invoice these days, while the Type-S will likely be over sticker, at least initially). So I suspect the gap to be closer to $4K-$5K in the real world. If you're in the market for a $50K car, what's another $4-5K?

Speccing out an S4 to be comparably equipped, that comes out to around $61K (about $57K in the real world).

Here's hoping that after the initial hype goes down that the Type-S can be had for mid-to high 40s. Otherwise real world pricing is way too close to the competition.

mcrompton

Well the only thing that would be keeping me going EV or at least, PHEV, on my next car when my lease ends in July would have been the Type-S. Barring an attractive lease rate, well may mind may have been made up.

fiatlux

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

B1ackAlloy

Well, Acura might have shot themselves in the foot with the pricing, especially for the base. They may have made my decision easier to look at the Koreans at this point. I will still test drive but the price they are asking. It is going to be an extremely hard sell given what is going on in the world.

pyrodan007

That's the thing, at about 5k difference and zero customization, people may just bite the bullet and ignore the Type-S. If dealers get greedy and add 1-2k, forget it.
The S4 and M340i both come with digital displays in other to match it up, something you can't add with the Type-S. Feature wise, Acura may have a problem for the money they're asking for.

AcuraFan1980

no rain sensing wipes on the tech package or a spec?

what a joke

fiatlux

It's standard for all but the base trim in the current model, so this seems like a step backwards. I agree, I don't know why they left it out. How much could that sensor possibly have cost? Maybe they needed to gimp the other models to make the Advance seem more attractive (would not be the first time Honda did something like this).

pyrodan007

When they have to remove features to differentiate trims instead of engineering new options, it's just one more reason why Acura is not trying as hard. Using better quality material is not hard, creating new features is (no innovation versus other brands). They have no problems raising the price though. That sensor can't be more than $50.

Before you say "new engine" ... Honda desperately needed a turbo V6, all the others have one.

AcuraFan1980

sport plus also came on the tech package and now it doesn’t.

Tesla1856

Really? Where please.

BEAR-AvHistory

Is the Type S price also a +2000 option for AWD?

pyrodan007

I remember reading somewhere that the Type-S has AWD as standard

4G-Lover

Problem is the M340i is a sub 4 sec car and I think the Type S will be, at best, a mid 4 car with advertised 355 HP......Acura/Honda usually they do not surprise on the upside

fiatlux

https://acuranews.com/en-US/releases...late-september

4G-Lover

I have to agree here......some time ago I saw this kid parking next to me with a CLA 250 with AMG branding everywhere (Mercedes sell the AMG appearance package pretty much for every model), you will never convince someone like that to get an Acura, no matter how hard you try and how good is your car.

The Cadillac ATS was an extremely capable sport sedan...how good did it sell?? What about the Alfa Romeo Giulia??

The Koreans are attacking the segment from another angle, the long warranty and the service experience (loaner at home, etc..) which actually may get traction (however, the German may go that route too if they feel threatened, look at the Lexus story).

FCA is doing extremely well with the crazy good value of the Charger (the only sedan that actually has increased sales) but still that attract people that do not go for the badge....a killer deal on a Charger V8 may sway an Acura or Infiniti shopper, it's not going to attract many BMW customers.

Costco

The Type-S will probably outhandle the M340i and S4, but I don't think that's enough.

leomio85

Heh. My original guess at $53k wasn't far off, should never have swayed, didn't think they'd be daring enough to come out with underwhelming performance figures and price it over $50k. Commendable on Honda/Acura's part. This makes the decision quite easy, especially since I want to drive my RDX off a cliff some days with the poor build quality. Underwhelming performance figures, bloated pricing. The A-Spec and Advanced might do well and I suppose they're expecting the Type S to be a very low volume seller. Self-fulfilling prophecy with what they've done with it. Hard, but easy, pass for me. Hope whoever buys it enjoys it, and it isn't a rolling pile of sh*t that my Acura is.

Pricing an M340i the way I'd like it comes in right at $60k. Supposedly its basically expected at this point to get 10% off MSRP, along with incentives and I'm under the $52k starting of the Type S. Probably gonna splurge on a nice example of a used F90 M5 in a couple years tho which should be in the high-$50k/low-$60k mark for a 2019 by that point (don't want a first year model).

leomio85

It won't be, and the margin will be next to negligible, especially for the layman on the streets. M340i and S4 are both very competent handlers.

As you stated, the Accord now is quite nice. If you like the styling of it, which I do, it's going to be a hard sell to justify the TLX. One major thing may be the available AWD. But, a friend of mine's sister just picked up a 2.0T Accord Sport for just under $28k OTD. I know it's not exactly apples to apples, but I highly doubt dealers are going to be giving discounts right out of the gate. After TTL + destination in NY, that would be close to a $12k price disparity for the Base. I'm sorry, but you'd be a goddamn fool to make that purchase, at least in the meantime.

coop3422

If all if this is true when the car launches, it really isn't going to do much to help boost the Acura brand. I look forward to an MDX Type S, but I'll wait a few years till there's a couple year old used model, as I'm sure those will be pretty pricey too.

ESHBG

And Acura blows it again! Sadly I am not surprised in the least and I had called this with the Type-S trim level. I know that the hardcore fans who refuse to accept facts will blindly plunk the money down for this vehicle (which I feel will have a ton of issues, at least out of the gate) but when you are talking about this kind of money it's just way too competitive.

On the bright side this has made my decision so much simpler and I was able to cross a vehicle completely off of my list.

justnspace

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told y'all it wont be enough

04WDPSeDaN

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WOW! Correct me if i'm wrong but for that price you can't get HUD, heated steering wheel, ambient interior lighting, rear heated seats, no power folding mirrors, no puddle lights ect on the type-s?!?! They really dropped the ball. All of it's competition comes with those options, which I wouldn't give up since I have them.

"The TLX Type S, with Acura's new 3.0-liter V6 Turbo and standard Super Handling All-Wheel Drive, arrives next spring well-equipped in the low to mid $50,000s."

Exactly why I kept saying other vehicles are a better bang for buck. 50K+ is a lot of coin for a vehicle that doesn't come with the options I'd expect for that price point. Thanks Acura for once again dropping the ball.

Xracer91

i admit, it's disappointing.

pyrodan007

Now that price, performance numbers, and options have all been crossed out...who exactly is this car for? It's just middle of everything.

fiatlux

Fanboys mostly. Maybe some converts from the Lexus crowd now that the IS is sorely uncompetitive.

Oh but we still need to wait until the actual cars and review start coming out. Otherwise folks will just keep parroting the "we don't know how it drives yet, let's wait until we get all the information before jumping to a conclusion" line.

Xracer91

it's not a perfect product, but still appealing. I'd like to see the reviews and 0 to 60 numbers.

04WDPSeDaN

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Like wise. However this is Acura we are talking about. Disappointment is their middle name.

fiatlux

Which is fine if they're priced like it. But this one is priced too high for what it is.

justnspace

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that's a tough question

there are many on here that are probably invested in the market, who has made a healthy gain from the 12 year boom, who can purchase this car, will do so.
From their point of view, this is the safe bet!

I would think I would make the smart move too. but then I love cars

fiatlux

I wonder if Acura employees read these forums. I can't help but to wonder what they must be thinking when they see that enthusiasts that are supposed to be their staunchest supporters are so down on the car.

ESHBG

I think about this often too. However, Acura has had ample opportunity to take feedback to heart at this point yet here we are... again.

Anymore my feelings are that Acura targets the uninformed consumer who just wants a slightly better badge than the more common cars.

leomio85

Staunchest supporters, but also harshest critics as well. So, they probably do read them, tho probably on a personal level rather than corporate (ie: employees will read it but doubt they report anything to the execs). Then again, maybe not ... the last thing I want to do when I leave work, is go onto a forum that revolves around work. I separate work from personal life as best I can. I'll read work related emails and read up on things I maybe have been unsure/educate myself, but I don't go out of my way to hang out on an internet forum dealing with my occupation either. Unless they're actually a Honda/Acura enthusiast, there probably isn't anyone from corporate reading this.