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fiatlux

Lest we all forget, the B9 S4 came out to compete against the F30 340i, which had 320hp at the time, and the C450. Nobody complained about 349hp because when it came out, it was very competitive in the power department. It nearly matched the Mercedes in acceleration, and handily beat the 340i like a drum.

Now, time has passed and the G20 M340i wipes the floor with it, but trust that the B10 S4 will see a sizable bump in power. If Acura benchmarked the B9 S4 and only sought to match that without adding in the headroom to account for the improvements in the next gen models, they're going to be left in the dust when the B10 and W206 models come out.

Midnight Mystery

Heck, this doesn't sound bad. I mean, we're currently seeing a TLX with 290 hp and it's no slouch. A 65 hp bump can't be bad, combined with a better transmission it's definitely going to be pleasant.

I do have full confidence in Hondas ability to build a turbo. They've been doing really well the past 4 years in the Honda models and my 1G RDX still boosts like new at 298K miles.

So.... if the TLX starts at $42K, what's the Type S going to cost?

MDXAccord

On thing is for sure, we will be able to walk in and pick one up without having to deal with Dealer Mark Ups.

Midnight Mystery

Wait, we're talking roughly $45K for a 355 hp TypeS?

I know it'll be a while until the dealers stop obscenely marking up the price, but dang. I thought it would be closer $55K.

This really isn't that much more than a 2008 Type S, weren't they like $39K new?

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Don't count all your chickens before they hatch. On the base TLX, likely not. On the type-s more than likely, at least for the 1st year.

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Per the car and driver article, type S will start at 45K

nist7

Should be interesting to see what else they put this motor in. From a layman's knowledge point of view...developing a new engine costs a TON of money and so presumably this will be the re-vitalization for future sport-oriented vehicles?....

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For right now the MDX type-s will have it and possibly with a hybrid system attached. I doubt they will put it in the ILX. They are coming out with a new sedan (I believe), so its possible there will be a type-s version of that. As for the current RDX, I don't think so. Maybe a revised version with more power.

pyrodan007

Wonder why they stayed closer to 350 then. If it's the transmission fault, they need to do deeper changes to make their stuff more future ready. If you say "but it costs more", the cost to change it later is always more compared to designing it right.

nist7

Would I be day-dreaming too much to even raise the possibility that potentially a sporty luxury coupe (Acura Legend/CL successor) may be in the works???? (totally guessing...I may be way off the mark, lol)

Yeah. I mean heck, who doesn't want MOAR POWA as enthusiasts? I get it man.

Now, again talking as a layman....what I could see is maybe they see this new motor as the starting platform...and they could continue to refine/build on top of it and in the future years come out with higher hp variants/successors?....I have no clue though....someone with more industry insider knowledge than me could help out...

leomio85

I was never interested in the 1G TLX, but your post prompted me to look up what the 3.5L SH-AWD TLX runs. 14.5s at 96.6MPH. My god. I knew it wasn’t a performance car, but holy hell the thing is actually SLOW! Acura definitely isn’t underpowering their numbers. Jesus. HARD pass on the 2G. Jesus. I was still on the fence, but this right here just completely axed even considering the 2G.

F23A4

Honestly, I'd rather 355hp and great chassis tuning than 400hp and container ship handling. We just have to wait for Car and Driver OR Road and Track to get their hands on one for testing purposes. (Would love the see Matt Watson run this on CarWow vs the S4/C43 but I suppose it wont be sold in the UK market.)

Kense

The S4 Competes with the Older versions of those cars not the current versions. Audi will be bumping those numbers up no doubt about it. Currently the S4 does NOT compete with either of them power wise. It consistently loses in every aspect other than Interior finish.

nist7

And transmission/gearing/shift logic/programming done well will also be key.

I know some people have brought up the Red Sport....but IIRC one of the main complaints of the Red Sport despite its 400hp is the sloshy torque-converted automatic that was not very inspiring.

Legend2TL

So you're a drama queen hater with low expectations?
Come on man up, you don't have to be a drama queen.

Legend2TL

Prefer the electric parking brake switch to be on the center console near the shift switches.
Curious what the car inside the circle is for? (360 camera's?)

Legend2TL

Honda Odyssey, Pilot, Ridgeline, and Passport will most likely get the V6. Whether in turbo TBD.

Acura MDX and TLX. Perhaps in a JDM Legend

And developing a new motor, yeah that was a huge investment overall.
I'm guessing it will be Honda's last V6 considering the J-series lasted 23+ years and I expect majority of Honda to be EV in 23 years.

BEAR-AvHistory

Are they selling an S with a 4 cylinder motor?

Legend2TL

+1, that's what sold me on the 3G TL was it's styling and great handling for a sport oriented FWD sedan.

The Honda 10AT is a planetary style AT (Honda's 1st) which means changing gear ratio's is complicated unlike their traditional shaft/countershaft where it was engineering wise easy to change one gear ratio.
With the serial sequencing of the FOUR planetary sets, if one planetary gear ratio is changed then 1-2 more gear ratio's are also changed (I'm still trying to figure out how four sequential planetary sets = 10 ratios).
The Honda 10AT transmission teardown YouTube video is very informative.

fiatlux

Why does it have to be either or? Are you suggesting the M340i handles like a boat? We all know Hondas/Acuras handle well, so that should already be a given. I'd love to see them take the next step and come out with something that can also keep up in a straight line. But alas, that would be antithetical to Honda's MO of trying to accomplish something with less.

leomio85

I love this argument by the apologists. The Type S is going to get paddled by everything European in both a straight line and a track. Everything in its segment handles beyond the capabilities of what is even usable on street tires. The Type S will likely handle well, enough to keep up with the Germans (probably still slightly slower), and then get handily walked when power is needed. It's not like the Type S is being put up against a friggin Dodge Charger. It's been the longtime excuse by the import crowd when crying to domestics about how they get absolutely obliterated in a straight line by their weak engines. Now people are using it on the Europeans too? The automakers hailed as probably the best handling cars in the last decade? Are people really that delusional?

And still nobody addressed the fact that the current TLX runs a 14.5s quarter mile? A half second slower than a goddamn 1999 Ford Mustang GT? That's unspeakably pathetic. An extra 65 HP and a better trans will put it ... where, in the mid-high 13s? WTF is Honda even engineering? The Europeans are deep in the 12's. You'd barely be able to make out the badge of the car absolutely embarrassing you with that disparity in performance. Laughable. Anyone who buys the Type S is nothing but a Honda bootlicker.

fiatlux

To be fair, you can't really compare the Type-S to the current TLX V6. The latter is a gussied up 9G Accord V6 with SHAWD and the same engine used in their minivan and pickup truck. Acura might claim it to be a sport sedan and competitive with the Germans, but we all know it's not. The Type-S really should be more competitive, and I do expect it to be close, but I was feeling a hell of a lot better about its chances yesterday than today.

Midnight Mystery

Not sure where you got that number from. I did drive an Odyssey van with the TLX drivetrain and found it surprisingly quick. It was quicker than 3G TL was.

Edward'TLS

As for the upcoming MDX Type-S, it will be even more difficult to judge its performance level, because, up to now, we still have no idea if the Type-S trim will come with the Hybrid-AWD system or the 4th gen SH-AWD system.

Before the introduction of the current gen MDX, forum members were saying that there was no point having 2 AWD trims for the MDX and that the Hybrid-AWD would replace the SH-AWD mechanics. But voila, Acura does release 2 different AWD trims for the MDX. So it is next to impossible to read Honda/Acura's mind in terms of product releasing.

F23A4

....or just make peace without SH-AWD and get the 3.5 PAWS, which is a bit quicker. But, it sounds like you've moved on from the TLX. So, keep us posted on what you ultimately get.

Edit: Your post prompted me to look up the 99 Mustang GT which I didnt locate but I did find some numbers on the Cobra version......looks like the TLX 3.5 PAWS would slow walk it. Nothing to brag about but, not a slug either.

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Perhaps its Acura's safety assistance system similar to BMW's intelligent safety drivers assist package. Shown here on my BMW

sonyfever

Anyone noticed the Type-S pace car is somewhat mashed up? It has fake headlights, old-style side mirrors, and the panel alignments are funny.

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leomio85

Hm, you may be onto something. Looking up with 10G Accord with the 2.0T, it runs a 14.1 quarter. Seeing as the Genesis G70 3.3T runs a 13.0 dead, the Type S will probably come in the low 13's. Until the 10AT takes a dump. Only thing I've heard is that the tuning is changed, nothing about the internals being beefed up (unless someone can find something on that).

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/acur...t-test-review/

leomio85

Interesting that the P-AWS is quicker than the SH-AWD. AWD should rip it off the line, and seeing as the power is the same, it shouldn't be able to reel it in, even with the weight difference. My guess, Honda tunes the transmissions differently to save their terrible drivetrains from shattering on hard launches. I found 14.2s for the P-AWS, tho it was for the 2015 TLX P-AWS from C&D: https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...d-test-review/

vs.

1999 Mustang GT: https://www.motortrend.com/cars/ford...rd-mustang-gt/

Different rags (couldn't find C&D's test on both), but shouldn't be too far off. Doesn't look like the powertrain of the TLX changed at all though thru its life. I know, it's a stupid comparison, but I just find it funny that Honda claims Acura is their performance branch. The Type S is finally something they can say is even in the realm of "performance" compared to the last decade. Still, when you were putting out a car that could possibly get eeked out by a goddamn V6 Camry ... what an embarrassment. Honda probably did the same with this current SH-AWD + 10AT ... lot of transmission tuning to preserve the drivetrain over pure performance. Low numbers, even lower performance figures.

neuronbob

If that $45k is true, I am still interested, especially once I hear about actual handling, which will be a big part of the Type S package. I am unsurprised about the power figures. I expect they will be tweaked and massaged before release next year. Could be higher? After all the numbers are announced on a prototype car. If not, Hondata and K-Tuner are going to be there... Hoping it's underrated like the K20C4 in my Accord.

Midnight Mystery

I'm optimistic about the new car, mainly because the price seems reasonable and the power is pretty good, for a Honda.

B1ackAlloy

Well, we all know the sedan is not the best market now and days. So they still cannot price this car against the three other major car manufacturers. Given the times we are in if the Type-S was priced high they would not move as many units. Like I mentioned before I think they are trying to keep cost as low as they can. So 45k does make sense and then fully loaded will probably be 52-55k.

jas5lf

That’s not the parking brake switch. That’s the parking sensor on/off switch. Also, the car with the circle around it is for the various driver assist safety features. LKAS, BSM, collision mitigation, etc. Same controls as in the higher trimmed 10g Accords.

fiatlux

Take a closer look. There’s a P inside a circle below the row of buttons; that’s the parking brake. It’s the same with the 3G RDX

jas5lf

Thanks. Didn’t see that and it’s def the parking brake.

honda_nut

They re-ran this episode on south park today. Couldn't have asked for better timing LMAO

TVL65

My 07' Type S now has 175,000 miles. It runs fine but I'm going to wait for the Type S reviews. I might just get the A-spec though. I would certainly not be happy getting smoked by a base model BMW.

F23A4