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So now that I know I can not get the Advance trim in the V6 looks like I will be getting the 2.0T. I have a question for you guys. The Accord handles the 2.0T tuned with all the goodies in a FWD car just fine. The car with SHAWD might dig from a stop better and not spin the tires but once moving it wont matter. Im not auto crossing my car so I dont need SHAWD for handling. How much more weight and how much less HP to the tires do you think the SHAWD will loose out to FWD only?
So now that I know I can not get the Advance trim in the V6 looks like I will be getting the 2.0T. I have a question for you guys. The Accord handles the 2.0T tuned with all the goodies in a FWD car just fine. The car with SHAWD might dig from a stop better and not spin the tires but once moving it wont matter. Im not auto crossing my car so I dont need SHAWD for handling. How much more weight and how much less HP to the tires do you think the SHAWD will loose out to FWD only?
That is a real tough number to come by. Way too many variables from internal friction right down to the tires rolling resistance. Lots of aftermarket companies use a general 15% added to a chassis dyno number to get crank horsepower. 4X4 AWD would increase the loss factor.
That said AWD is a takeaway on power but a plus on off the line traction. Expect it just about washes the dyno spread.
This is what a Civic Type R looks like
Civic Sport CTV
Last edited by BEAR-AvHistory; 06-28-2020 at 08:28 PM.
This is clearly (to me, anyway) a base model. Good foundation, looks better with A-Spec or Type S baubles.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
Apparently this is the Advance trim based on a certain well-informed insider on the FB group.
But is has an extra badge on the lower right. If it is the Advance trim then that must be a SH-AWD badge. I think the wheel gaps looks a little big to me.
I've never really been a fan of red cars especially when the tail lights already have a lot of red on them. Still loving the aggressive look of those tail lights. The picture itself is also pretty hazy so its tough to really get a sense of the colour.
I've never really been a fan of red cars especially when the tail lights already have a lot of red on them. Still loving the aggressive look of those tail lights. The picture itself is also pretty hazy so its tough to really get a sense of the colour.
I agree, I really like what they did with the tail lights. Just blends too much in this picture I think.
incorporating the reflectors like that is the new trend these days rather than the basic strip above the muffler like on the TSX/TL. Hopefully they can be popped out and painted black.
Look at C&D's projected pricing. Starting at around $56k for a Ram with a Hellcat engine. If they're projecting that (other sources are saying a more pragmatic "near $100k" starting price), their projections for the TLX Type-S are obviously a complete wash. I'm now gonna say it's going to start in the $60k range ... for $59,990.
Look at C&D's projected pricing. Starting at around $56k for a Ram with a Hellcat engine. If they're projecting that (other sources are saying a more pragmatic "near $100k" starting price), their projections for the TLX Type-S are obviously a complete wash. I'm now gonna say it's going to start in the $60k range ... for $59,990.
LOL if the TLX starts more than a M340i they totally failed. No way in hell anybody would pay that much for this car.
LOL if the TLX starts more than a M340i they totally failed. No way in hell anybody would pay that much for this car.
Indeed. Infiniti's mistake was that they thought they can price the Q50 Red Sport relative to the Germans. When it comes to expensive items, it all boils down to brand prestige. Even Lexus can't command nearly the same premium as the Germans, never mind Acura or Infiniti.
LOL if the TLX starts more than a M340i they totally failed. No way in hell anybody would pay that much for this car.
I agree, and I think it will. The fact they're stringing out the release and info on it so long has to be disconcerting. It's not a good sign IMO. They're treating it like it's a halo car, and I think they're going to look to get the same kind of money out of it. Aiming way above their competition and towards the M-cars, which they will absolutely fail at. Maybe a touch over 400HP, even tho the M340i already makes more than that. It's either going to be priced ridiculously or be completely underwhelming. I'm gonna quote this very post when everyone is pissed off about one or the other once full details get released.
Looks like the barely released non-S TLX may have already been matched by the new 2021 Kia Optima. And it includes more HP, dual clutch, AWD, and digital gauges. Type-S better be special.
Looks like the barely released non-S TLX may have already been matched by the new 2021 Kia Optima. And it includes more HP, dual clutch, AWD, and digital gauges. Type-S better be special.
Looks like the barely released non-S TLX may have already been matched by the new 2021 Kia Optima. And it includes more HP, dual clutch, AWD, and digital gauges. Type-S better be special.
Looks like the barely released non-S TLX may have already been matched by the new 2021 Kia Optima. And it includes more HP, dual clutch, AWD, and digital gauges. Type-S better be special.
I agree, and I think it will. The fact they're stringing out the release and info on it so long has to be disconcerting. It's not a good sign IMO. They're treating it like it's a halo car, and I think they're going to look to get the same kind of money out of it. Aiming way above their competition and towards the M-cars, which they will absolutely fail at. Maybe a touch over 400HP, even tho the M340i already makes more than that. It's either going to be priced ridiculously or be completely underwhelming. I'm gonna quote this very post when everyone is pissed off about one or the other once full details get released.
Come on guys. You really think Acura will price the Type S higher than a M340I🤪. That's just looney if they do. The cars will collect dust just like the new NSX. They are well aware that NSX is a failure and they need a home run with this car. They have to be very careful with pricing and performance wise. There's a lot riding on getting it right. If the new gen doesn't sell well you can forget about a future sedan from Acura.
Come on guys. You really think Acura will price the Type S higher than a M340I🤪. That's just looney if they do. The cars will collect dust just like the new NSX. They are well aware that NSX is a failure and they need a home run with this car. They have to be very careful with pricing and performance wise. There's a lot riding on getting it right. If the new gen doesn't sell well you can forget about a future sedan from Acura.
This. They aren’t idiots. They’d sooner strip features to drive the cost down than price it above the competition unless it was significantly more powerful.
Looks like the barely released non-S TLX may have already been matched by the new 2021 Kia Optima. And it includes more HP, dual clutch, AWD, and digital gauges. Type-S better be special.
LoL. Acura was looking at the Germans when they should have been looking over their shoulder at the Koreans next door. Digital gauges are asinine (though in the pics, it doesn't appear to be digital) and I'd like to know who makes the dual clutch (if it's Hyundai's own in-house, I'd run the other way). Tho, if Acura put that out, the same cucumbers on here would be whining about it having a mechanical gear selector. Looks like a sharp car, tho I don't think blue is its best color, the grey one looks much sharper. This will certainly give the non-Type S TLX a run for its money.
Come on guys. You really think Acura will price the Type S higher than a M340I🤪. That's just looney if they do. The cars will collect dust just like the new NSX. They are well aware that NSX is a failure and they need a home run with this car. They have to be very careful with pricing and performance wise. There's a lot riding on getting it right. If the new gen doesn't sell well you can forget about a future sedan from Acura.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
This. They aren’t idiots. They’d sooner strip features to drive the cost down than price it above the competition unless it was significantly more powerful.
Like I said, it's speculation, but I think it's going to be priced at a ludicrous mark, or have performance that is going to be inferior to the Germans in a lot of aspects. With the "revival" of the Type S badge, Acura could very well be trying to create some exclusivity. Heck, I love the A-Spec line up, but they charge a lot more for the car to look sportier, and give it absolutely zero performance upgrades. Imagine when they actually give it a nice performance boost. I'm just saying don't be surprised when it happens. They gave us the released product, but nothing else, including performance figures or pricing, with the Type S not expected until Spring 21. The new M3 will be unveiled in November and then be ready for delivery in early 2021. Why the drawn out release? Something just isn't right and I think Acura is trying to make this thing appear more special than it is ... or they know they have a dud on their hands.
Come on guys. You really think Acura will price the Type S higher than a M340I🤪. That's just looney if they do. The cars will collect dust just like the new NSX. They are well aware that NSX is a failure and they need a home run with this car. They have to be very careful with pricing and performance wise. There's a lot riding on getting it right. If the new gen doesn't sell well you can forget about a future sedan from Acura.
Originally Posted by fiatlux
This. They aren’t idiots. They’d sooner strip features to drive the cost down than price it above the competition unless it was significantly more powerful.
Yeah you're right. It's not like Acura has done things like charged $50K on a low selling outgoing model and the only upgrade was basically the paint. Oh wait...
A fully loaded TLX-S will be over the 50K mark. Not for nothing, they were selling the TLX with fancy red paint and ZERO performance upgrades north of 50K, imagine now.. As for the K5 (Optima), Acura should have put their target on the Koreans, not the Germans. KIA & Genesis has proved to make vehicles that consumers want and stepped up their game since 2011 with the release of the redesigned Optima. While Acura was still in la la land making bread and butter n/a vehicles, the Koreans kept pushing forward with the rest of the industry. The new K5 more than likely have awd for their top of the line sport model. The new K5 Optima looks stunning and the interior is a huge WOW. This is why I keep saying, nobody should be brand loyal anymore. If you REALLY want a vehicle with proven performance and aftermarket support, don't buy the TLX-S. Think about why Acura won't release power figures for the TLX-S or a starting price. It's about gathering attention and being up a hype in hopes that even if the performance numbers and price is decent, Acura still wants to sell a lot of units. The base TLX will sell but the type-s will hurt it if they are stupid enough to price it where it should belong.
Keep comparing the car to Genesis or K5, people won’t pay $45-50K to buy these cars. Just logical, if we say people won’t pay for Acura, Infiniti and even Lexus $60K then do you really think people will pay $50K for Kia or Hyundai brands. The answer is a big fat NO! What happened to Stinger? It will be this and it will be that? Please someone share the sales figures for 2019. Collecting dust lol! Infiniti is giving you 400HP sport sedan for ($55K CAD). It’s collecting dust and no one is looking at it. Koreans made this far, I think it’s great and they should be proud of it. But it will take them years to get that real premium position.
Keep comparing the car to Genesis or K5, people won’t pay $45-50K to buy these cars. Just logical, if we say people won’t pay for Acura, Infiniti and even Lexus $60K then do you really think people will pay $50K for Kia or Hyundai brands. The answer is a big fat NO! What happened to Stinger? It will be this and it will be that? Please someone share the sales figures for 2019. Collecting dust lol! Infiniti is giving you 400HP sport sedan for ($55K CAD). It’s collecting dust and no one is looking at it. Koreans made this far, I think it’s great and they should be proud of it. But it will take them years to get that real premium position.
Sorry Tony, the difference between you and I, I'm a car enthusiasts not a fan boy. I could ask you the same in return. Who in their right mind will pay 50K+ for a TLX-S? This is all new to Acura and their reliability has been in the shit can for a long time. Joke is on you if you REALLY believe this will put a hurting on the Germans. It's nearly impossible for Acura to sell as many units. By the time they come out with this vehicle, what makes you think the competition won't advance? Acura will once again be behind the ball before they even start. I REALLY hope you are the 1st one here to buy the TLX-S. Prove us all wrong.
06-28-2020, 05:22 AM
It's as if they took the same design and tweaked it.
Lease and possibly loaner cars as well.
