CheeseyPoofs McNut

I'm guessing some do. However I don't think you can extrapolate anything from a handful of people on one site complaining about the upcoming release. Not saying some points aren't valid however its easy to see 5 people who with agree with you on a website and feel validated when in reality that doesn't mean anything in the big picture

GhostTL09

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so buyers are superficial and full of crap when asking about comparative numbers? Convincing themselves to not like a vehicle 🙄

GhostTL09

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I'll grab an Aspec for $40kPut 10k cash down, then selly 07 Type-S for $7k and walk off the lot at $23k with 0 miles.

dmski

Add me to the disappointed list. All those features missing and they are still saying low to mid 50's??? Plus the dealers will try to mark it up when this thing gets released!!! Okay, thanks for making my decision easy... Just park this next to the NSX in the showroom and let's which one collects more dust.

Carnage719

You know, when I bought my 2018 A-Spec, I couldn't believe Canada had an Elite model with options only found in the Advance package. US A-Specs never got have access to these options during the entire product run. Now, the A-Spec is substantially higher priced, still doesn't have access to Advance package options, and adding insult to injury, doesn't come standard with rain-sensing wipers. It's not even an option! That's downright idiotic.

I'm seriously going to test drive the refreshed Stinger when it's available.

04WDPSeDaN

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keep me posted! I hope they have the newest engines. The refresh looks great! There are some killer deals out there on new 2020 GT2 models. I posted two of them going for 42k and 44k brand new.

BEAR-AvHistory

Think the TLX TypeS needs to take a very very big leap forward to match the M340 in handling. Right now its best is way behind. The M340 is closer to my Z4 @ 1.02 g than the TLX is to the M340

Car & Driver tests

M340i running the Michelin Pilot Sport 4S tires - the lateral limit is 0.96 g.

TLX Aspec SHAWD 19-inch Michelin Primacy MXM4 tires - the lateral limit is 0.86 g,

ACCURATEin

I'm just waiting for some more rolling footage of the type S at pikes peak next weekend.

MIKEYDRED

I called it after seeing the press release photos that all those items were omitted. When you compare to the Advance there is actually a lot omitted. Stupid move on their part in my opinion.

4G-Lover

Widebody Chargers did 0.96 g is some tests with Pirelli P Zero and we are talking full size sedan....a fully loaded 485 HP Scat Pack can be had with just south of 55K.

Midnight Mystery

Primacy? Why use those?

I usually run Premieres but the Pilots grip the best fro what I hear!

Kinuto

I never thought that Hyundai as a company would take Nissan's spot as the 3rd Top Asian car manufacturer. Renault really ruined that company. As for the Type S I think it'll be worth the upgrade coming from a 4G TL FWD with Technology Package.

sonyfever

You are comparing tires more than the cars themselves, to be honest. However, M340 does have much stiffer suspension and chassis to work those summer tires. Rest assured the Type-S will see a quantum leap in chassis tuning to warrant the optional summer tires.

Midnight Mystery

Nissan is now the new Hyundai and Hyundai is now the new Nissan.

Costco

Right now, we haven't even seen Acura's best. But we can see the Type-R and make educated guesses based on what its done against its competition.

Who's to say the Type-S won't take a big leap forward? The biggest downside is will be its increased mass, but it's still lighter than its competitors and I doubt Acura would just implement something as costly as double wishbone architecture and simply squander any potential benefits.

Lateral grip is merely one facet of handling. I have experience with both of the aforementioned tires, and it was pointed out - there's a big difference in the performance envelope of both. The Primacys are a joke of a performer even by all-season standards. They're also really old tire tech, which in itself is embarrassing. The PS4S is about as capable of a summer tire as you can get, and it's relatively new.

Midnight Mystery

I've always considered the Primacy as a good tires for granny's old Lexus. I do like my Premieres for All-Seasons though. Lots of grip compared to my old Hankooks.

4G-Lover

I agree...lateral grip is only a small part of the handling department....my wife's Trackhawk posts impressive lateral grip numbers but still ain't a ballerina...putting hyper wide sticky tires on a Ford Pinto to get 1 g will not turn it into a canyon carver....

Kinuto

They are also discontinuing the Nissan Maxima which has been their flagship for ages. The car will die along with the VQ35DE which has always had competition with Honda's J Series. Their was a rumor of a merger between Nissan and Honda but itiit dhappen cause both companies didn't agree it would benefit them. Only car I'm looking forward to in Nissan's lineup is the 400Z .

ESHBG

Sad to see the Maxima going away but Nissan is as goofy as Acura with some of their business decisions, like putting AWD on the Altima but not on the Maxima?! The CVT across the lineup is an iffy move too. But as a company they treated my family really well when they didn't have to, though, so I will always speak highly of them for that (and quite frankly Honda has done the opposite when they should have not once but twice so kudos to Nissan for going above and beyond).

Kinuto

I totally agree with you. Very bad decisions and Carlos Ghosn scandals put Nissan in a terrible position. As for the Altima year after year they been making it better than the Maxima which destroyed any excitement anyone had for that model. I'm not sure but they might also be getting rid of the Infiniti Brand and solely focusing on Nissan. Funny how they are ending up like Mitsubishi.

Kense

I'll tell you right now. 4.6 0-60. The car is going to be heavy and unless they severly underrated it it's not going to give an impressive number. If you look at a Q50 Red Sport, it's 400 HP & 350 lb ft but really more like 430 HP and 390 Torque to the crank. and because of it's crappy transmission and weight the RWD barely cracks 4.5.

pyrodan007

Not like Infiniti has any life left in it. If they can convert into a Mazda being premium for a good price, sure why not. But they need to dump the CVT, deal breaker for me.

BEAR-AvHistory

I was wrong big time. Thought the Type S was going to be a full boat top of the line car. Maybe the marketing guys got worried as the cost ran up with the full line of extras. Should gave done what the Germans do. Offer common equipment packages but also ala carte ordering for items not in the packages.

coop3422

We considered Pathfinders last fall when shopping for a 3 row as the family vehicle. They seemed like the best blend of everything for the price till I did a little research. What a news those CVT's are. It's not uncommon for people to be in their 3rd or more before 50k. Insane, no way I'll touch that. Very happy we found the deal we did on our 2014 MDX. Nissan won't improve until they ditch that CVT. I liked my 350ZR, but my S2000 was infinitely better imo. Looking forward to their new Z, and wish they'd bring back a 240sx too compete with the BRZ/86.

4G-Lover

Very sad story with Nissan...in the early-mid 2000s they were the darling of the industry and were cranking out very good/excellent products for the price, they had the highest profitability in the industry together with Porsche, a very successful luxury brand!!
The Altima and the Maxima V6 were, by far, the fastest midsize sedan for the money, The Murano was a big hit, a great handling an performing sporty SUV for the masses, Infiniti with its G line was starting to get some street creed vs. the BMW 3 Series, the Infiniti FX was one of the early sexy looking and good handling high performance luxury SUVs together with the Porsche Cayenne. Pretty much nothing is left, just overstyled appliances with CVT...the new Maxima had potential, killed by an atrocious inadequate transmission, Infiniti left the Q50 to die a slow death, no more super SUV, withdrawn from Europe....I bet that brand is not going to be around for long.

BEAR-AvHistory

Not going to argue with your post was just listing a what is right now. We have no idea what the final numbers will be, I just think its a real big bite & expect the TypeS being down on power will hurt the handling. Also both Porsche & BMW do pretty well without DWB front ends so it & tires are not the total answer. You are still dealing with what is basically a FWD car mimicking a RWD car with electronics & AWD. This effects the COG. Audi is pretty good at this but I think they have a different engine location more behind the front wheels. Its also as big as a BMW 5 series.

Note: Built the COBRA with DWB up front.

That said I used both a M340 & M240 at the BMW drivers school. Turned in almost the same times in either car in all the times events. The M240 was easier to manage but did not translate into materially better times just less workload. Both cars had Conti's Summers on the wheels. Continental has/had? the tire contract for the school. So back to the story about the only difference between the cars was I wore the front tires out by lunch time of day 2 on the M340. Was the only one to kill the tires but won two of the three timed events. Lost the 3rd event a wet track rat race no nanny's with a 'HOLD MY BEER' move on the last turn. Came in second, the guy who won came in 2nd in the other two events.

As a former owner would like to see the TL series make a big comeback to the time they competed for the number one spot among Sports Sedans. Had they not IMHO totally screwed up the 4G & continued to evolve I might still have one on my driveway. Acura pricing back then I believe helped control all the pricing in the class.

BEAR-AvHistory

Just saw the press release one of the guys posted. Its Déjà vu& its 2010 all over again, "Fastest TLX ever & look how big it is compared to the Germans". They have been down this road before.

ESHBG

This is one of the parts that has me really scratching my head, it's like no lessons were learned at all.

Costco

Indeed, DWB in itself is not a guarantor of great handling. Given Honda's pedigree of cars with great handling though, particularly with DWB - NSX, Legend, Integra (Type-R) - I expect great things and find that expectation fairly reasonable. They would be foolish to invest into developing this platform only to let it wither on the vine.

Despite being outclassed in performance metrics and subjective ones, I still remember the 4G SH-AWD variant of the TL doing very well against an S4, 335i, and G37 at the time. To me that was an indicator that for all its flaws, Acura was still capable of building a good performer. They just made some bad decisions with the 1G TLX.

Now, they are finally caught up with the times. Turbocharged powerplants that are likely to be rated conservatively, if the dynos of the CTR and turbo Accord are any indication. I acknowledge that Acura has been really dodgy on specs and info... but at this point in time all we are doing is benchmark racing. I'm not saying the Type-S will easily outperform the S4 and M340i, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it did.

However... even if the Type-S did just that, and its price was slashed by another $3-5k, I doubt any of the detractors here would buy one anyway

4G-Lover

Why they "totally screwed" with the 4G?? Just because you did not like the look of it?? It was a great performer and great value, a big step ahead of 3G under any conceivable aspect.

Sorry to break it to you but the great 3G was never a competitor for number one sport sedan and no hope to unseat the fantastic E46 (and then E90) of the era. It was an excellent front drive sport sedan but not chance if being #1. It did very well in sales but that is a different story.

Xracer91

yeah, 4.6 is the target that i have in mind as well which us comparable to the audi a4. We'll see.

4G-Lover

A DWB setup helps to control better the geometry along the suspension travel compared to a MacPherson design and it helps in steering feel. The longer the suspension travel is (typical of sedans or SUV compared to pure sport cars), the more difference the DWB can make in handling and road feel versus a strut setup. Still nothing prevents a MacPherson to be extremely effective in the right car (for example the 911 or the 3 Series) especially if the front are not the main driven wheels.

Other than a small trunk, the only "flaw" of the 4G is that someone suddenly decided (after initial positive and indeed some very positive reviews) it did not like the beak.


At a 50K or so, a fully loaded Type S (assuming it does not surprise on the upside given the 355 HP advertised power) actually is attractive, at 55K or close to it it's hard to ignore a fully loaded Scat Pack Widebody 392 or a lightly optioned M340 maybe with a good discount.

04WDPSeDaN

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Oh man! That's absolutely TERRIBLE! I was 13 years old when my brother bought the 95 Maxima (manual trans). My brother and I would work on that maxima and attend meets. It's what made me an enthusiast. I remember the doing modifications with him and feeling beyond excited with the end results. It was time well spent with my brother which I will never trade for anything in the world. In 2004 my brother bought a brand new 04 TL A-spec (which is why I fell in love with the 3rd gen). I was the "new" owner of the maxima and kept it for another 3 years. I was very active on maxima.org and nycmaximas. Got my hands on a Stillen V2 supercharger and had some fun. Dumped a lot of money into it to keep it going. Prior to selling, it was one thing after another and I felt like it was time to move on. It didn't hit me til the moment I was removing the plates off the maxima. I shed a few tears. Had great memories with it and til this day I have moments where I feel regretful selling it. Funny as it was, I bought my Acura and sold the Maxima the following day. The new buyer kept admiring my Acura, almost to the point I thought he was going to back out of the sale!

Needless to say, my Ex had a 5.5 Gen maxima. I got to enjoy another maxima for a few more years. It was a great vehicle and that VQ was something else. My parents had a 2003 Pathfinder LE and it was a beast in crappy weather. It really was a stunning SUV. It's amazing the kind of memories certain vehicles bring. Still sad that these iconic models are being killed off.

I would be completely shocked if the Type-s can nail 0-60 in 4.6 seconds. I'm expecting the last wave of disappointment to hit us with a 0-60 time of very low 5's if not possibly 4.8-4.9 seconds.

4G-Lover

To this day, the VQ35 of my Maxima was the "creamiest" V6 I ever drove, better the 3G J32 and J35 and better than my 4G J37, only the straight 6 BMW was smoother. Things got worse with the VQ37 (my wife had a Q50S), still a very good engine but not quite as smooth.

04WDPSeDaN

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I agree. The VQ35DE was by far one of the best N/A V6 engines.

F23A4

Not sure I ever regarded the VQ in my old 5.5G as creamy. But it definitely had the goods to take down a few TL-Ss during its time...not to mention giving E36 M3s a good run, that is until I hit 3rd gear in my 4AT.

Xracer91

my mistake, i was actually thinking 5.6 for the turbo 4, i have no idea where the type s will land, but probably close to the audi s4.

Kense

That would be a 100% failure, I don't care what anybody on here says about numbers and 0-60 not meaning anything but anything over 4.6 seconds is a disaster especially with a low 50K starting point. 4.6 is bordering on complete fail as well.

B1ackAlloy

I am kind of right there with you with the Stinger. I am not going to pay 50k for the Type S. However I still will test drive the TLX and see if I love it because if I do not then I will probably pick up a refresh Stinger or possibly the G70. I still have to test drive both and will do so later this year.

Costco

I already mentioned in my post that it was subjective, but the 4G was and is considered a styling faux pas in the eyes of many. Not just the beak either, I found the rear pretty bad.

Again, simply my opinion. I will say that the 2012 MMC improved things very much. Looks can and have doomed a car's success before.