ZipSpeed

All this power, and the majority of us can't even use all of it during day-to-day driving! That Corolla and M340i is going to move at the same speeds when you're stuck in gridlock traffic for hours. Hell, the city I live in doesn't even have a track, drag strip, or anything of that kind where I can have fun safely. Once upon a time, my first turbo'd vehicle was a 2006 Forester XT and I thought that thing was fast with "only" 230hp/235lb-ft. Sure, it might be a dick measurement contest for some, but if the Type-S comes back between 350 to 400 hp, I'd be reasonably happy. For those that want more, good thing there's lots of other choices.

Speed_Racer

It won't be "slightly" less. It's looking like $10,000 less with all the features of a modern tech and a decent engine. People won't buy a RLX in that price range because you're smack dab in the middle of the other premium brands. I don't think they'll have a problem selling the Type S especially compared to the RLX which doesn't sell because you can get a TLX that's 95% the same for $15k-$20k less. I could care less about the constant comparison to the germans, because it's obvious they're not trying to compete there. They've always been hamstrung by Honda. Their niche still appears to be this middle area between premium and entry were people want value and reliability with a little modern tech. Some of you will say their reliability has nose dived, but I haven't had any issues with my TLX for the 2 1/2 years i've had it. Do I wish the new Type S will be a canyon carver 400hp monster, yes, but I know it won't be. It will still have a lot of bang for your buck.

MIKEYDRED

That is very conservative for a modern day turbo that is less than 120 hp/L. Like I said before and others have said as well, why bother with a Type S with those numbers. The goal post have moved drastically since 2008 when Acura last tried to play in this game. Back the natural aspirated V6 were making 320 Mazda so a Type S at 286 or so didnt seem to far off, but with the performance gains with turbos they need to aim much higher.

BEAR-AvHistory

Weight is also a factor. At 374WHP on DynoJet I am listed in drag times back in 2011 with a 12.563 @ 114.529 & 1/8 8.062 @ 90.430 but with a poor 2.070 60ft time. Has a lot of traction issues with that car & as I added more power went to a 2nd gear start with the 7DCT. Eventually the car moved up to 12.005 @ 116.89 dynoed around 410WHP.

russianDude

Whats the expected engine for type S?
3.0 turbo? I would be surprised if they will
match infinity red 400hp, I am guessing something in low 300hp?

dmski

You're expecting something in the low 300hp for a Type S with a brand new TT engine. Come on. That would be an epic fail. The previous 3.7L made 310hp. This thing better push 400hp at least.

russianDude

lets hope so, Acura is typically conservative with HP in their engines, they are not likely to do something crazy with HP, but we shall see

CollinR4

Keep in mind the 2.0T in the RDX is 272/280 hp/tq. That should be the context for how we estimate the specs of the new engine.

russianDude

yes, but if its 3.0T, the HP could be 340hp. Unless
its confirmed to be 3.5T?

ZipSpeed

The S55 engine on the BMW M3 makes “only” north of 400hp from a 3.0TT. Acura is done with the 3.5 J series engines so don’t expect to see a turbo’d version of that engine.

Rumor has it that a mild hybrid will also be part of the 3.0TT so seeing something close to 400hp isn’t that far fetched.

BEAR-AvHistory

Current top S55 3.0 liter M is now at 444BHP advertised, The 2021 G generation M 3/4 series with a new 3.0L S58 inline-six using larger bore & shorter stroke for higher revs with up to 503 horsepower. They are opening some space between the 382BHP M340/M440 & the true M series. With this much spread I expect them to add a MPPSK option pack similar to what I have in the 440 to move the M340/M440 to a bit over 400BHP. Current system raises the base 320BHP to 355BHP.
The M340 is already a sub 4 second low 12 second car.

russianDude

I really doubt that Acura will put engine with M3 like numbers, that’s just wishful thinking.

ZipSpeed

It won’t have M3 like numbers when the M340i is already in the 400ish range which the Type-S will compete with. As Bear mentioned, the new M3 coming out will be in excess of 500hp. If Acura ever decides to go bonkers with a M3 competitor, that would be the Type-R.

justnspace

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damn, it's been like 10 years already....

russianDude

acura will not be competing with M3, its a different league. If they make them too expensive, no one will buy them, it has to be reasonably priced to sell

ZipSpeed

I never implied they will be making a M3 competitor. Just saying IF they did, it would be a Type-R.

Joneill44

So.... who will be the first to engine swap this into a 3G

CollinR4

Interesting to read about the significant upgrade to the Genesis G70 during the likely refresh with their new Theta and Lambda III engines. Entry-level engine for the G70 being upgraded from 2.0T 252/260 to 2.5T 290/310 with an 8-speed wet dual-clutch transmission. Going to make that quite the value proposition. Less information on the bigger 3.5TT engine but I would expect a decent bump over the 365/376 of the 3.3TT in the current G70. Competition like this will only give buyers improved options.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a3...70-new-engine/

Here's to hoping the new TLX is ready to compete.

Jiten Patel

I think that we will be seeing a 2.0T from the RDX and Type R on the new TLX on all the models except for the Type S. It will be refined from the previous 3 years of it's service. Most likely mated to a Dual Clutch and with this config it will most likely pull 300HP. I think the 3.0TT will be seen only on the Type S probably with an Automatic and Manual config?

BGR

https://www.vtec.net/news/news-item?...tem_id=1404694

"We are expecting to see production 2021 TLXs hitting showrooms by the late Spring/early Summer time frame, with the hot Type S version to follow probably later in the Fall."

Mak P

Acura has been working on this car how long? Why aren't all variations coming out the same time

justnspace

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Because Honda hates us

russianDude

They are building anticipation, will be selling them at MSRP initially, but a year later will be usual 10% under.

TVL65

My dealership told me today the Type S is being released in spring 2020 DEFINITELY.

sockr1

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"giggles"
they probably meant the regular tlx not the type s as that is what was reported recently

BGR

The regular TLX will be. Production starts next month so it should be at Chicago auto show for sure.

ACCURATEin

Will it run faster around the ring than the type R?

I think that's how they should debut the type S. In car video of it going around the track[nurburgring], driver flicks the dial selector hard right to track mode, maybe a minute or so of it rolling around, then the sleeve flings off of the car and POP. [audience and internet stare at the production ready version in amaze because it somehow ended up looking even better than the blue concept]

TVL65

For some reason I think Acura will give it no more than 350 Hp tops. probably 330.

russianDude

I am also thinking that. New Toyota supra is 330 with 3.0T v6. Regular TLX will probably be 2.0T with 270hp, and Type S 3.0T with 50-60 more HP.
that is decent too.

Kinuto

270hp would be a huge downgrade! I don't think that would even sell if the TL and TLX of previous gen surpassed 270HP.

TVL65

I'm going with 330 Hp. And I won't be buying one if thats all it'll have.

russianDude

If all TLX (other than Type S) switch to 2.0T RDX/Accord engine, 270 HP would be the HP. Maybe they can tune it to 280HP

jhb31

350 is about the top that I would expect as well. If I was to bet I would take the under. They are going to have a type S variant for all models going forward and I don't expect the TLX/RDX to push close to 400Hp. Going up over 350 will not pull that many Acura buyers in and may reduce demand if the price gets too far above the next model below it. When you get into BMW/Audi pricing you get into that range where the badge matters to a lot of people. Acura's best selling TL/TLX was where they balanced price/styling/performance/low maintenance costs and included a lot of options standard that cost extra on other brands. I still don't get how a mid level civic has things like remote start standard and in the TLX it's an extra cost even on models that top 40K. Seems for some reason a lot of desirable features flow from the bottom models up at honda/acura rather than from the top down. Like AA/Carplay in the civic 2 years before the TLX.

russianDude

Look at toyota supra 2020, $50k car selling like hot cakes and 3.0T only pushes out 335hp. You would think for that money they could have pushed it to 400??

fiatlux

It's advertised as 335, but everyone who buys it (i.e. enthusiasts) knows that it's really pushing out closer to 400hp. C&D put one on the dyno and found that it makes 339hp AT THE WHEELS. It's very likely that they had to underrate it because BMW is underrating the same engine in its M40i models so that it doesn't encroach on the BMW M2, which is advertised at 405hp, or the M4 at 425hp.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a2...no-horsepower/

On that note, as soon as the new M3/4 comes out with 500+ hp, expect the M40i (the Type-S competitor) to stop being sandbagged and have at least 400hp. If the TLX Type-S makes 335hp, it'll sell about as well as the TLX PMC does.

justnspace

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it is pushing 400hp to the wheels

russianDude

ok... I am just going by stated numbers

mojo_79

The M340i is already pushing 400+ HP. BMW has significantly underrated this car. Car and Driver recently tested the M340i and it’s on par with the outgoing M3. They got 0-60 in 3.8s. I seriously doubt ACURA is even going to attempt to compete with the M340i.

”Ultimately, the M340i ripped off a 3.8-second zero-to-60-mph sprint and tore through the quarter-mile in 12.3 seconds at 115 mph. If you are wondering, those times are on pace with the last-generation M3.”

JackRydden224

I think chasing the Germans will get Acura nowhere in terms of sales. The M340i is going above and beyond what this segment offers and Acura would be wise not to case the outlier. If the turbo 6 can push out numbers similar to Infiniti, Genesis and Kia it will be enough for most buyers. I mean when is 0-60 in 4.5 and 1/4 mile in 13.5 not enough for 95% of the buyers?

The 2.0T is going to be the volume seller. I am much more interested in a 2.0T SH-AWD for a daily. Turbo 6 is just overkill for me.

PS: I daily a 07 CLS550 and it's definitely overkill for commutes and 95% of the driving done on the weekends.

fiatlux