2021 Acura TLX Reviews **2024 TLX Reviews (starting page 70)**
12-07-2020, 12:11 PM
#1961
Again, most people are not going to care what you or others think Acura promised you. I believe the reviewer above was quite clear that this car is equal or exceeds the Audi 4 or the BMW 330 in many aspects. If its not a sport sedan, then neither are those cars, but as I suggested in a previous post, who cares?? I think his reference to "tired old enthusiast arguments" was interesting. I remember some of the ridiculous posts about catatrophic delays and a pile of other shit that was just silly. Newsflash, the 2.0 turbo was never going to be the car for the "enthisiasts" who measure a car by how fast it gets off the line. That is going to be the Type S, and I thought that was always clear.
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12-07-2020, 12:23 PM
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I'm going to have to disagree about commercials not mattering. When it comes to the content marketing matrix, car commercials largely fall into quadrant 1 and 2 because they seek to elicit an emotional response and prime the consumer. That sets up potential buyers to have a particular expectation for the product they're buying, and when they discover that the product does in fact meet said expectations, their likelihood to convert increases. They're more likely to believe other things the company says about the product because credibility has been established, and there's a positive response when expectations are met. There's been tons of studies that have shown that expectation setting plays a huge role in consumer's purchasing decisions. Take a random group of people, show them content that accurately depicts the products strong points, take another random group of people, show them content that doesn't accurately depict the products strong points, then let both groups experience the product. People in group 1 end up being more likely to enjoy and want to purchase the product than people in group 2 because psychologically having pre-existing notions confirmed is more rewarding and comfortable.
12-07-2020, 12:25 PM
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There is certainly some truth to what you have said, but I would suggest that these days many people do their own research on the internet before they ever hit a dealership. I have only seen 2 TLX ads online, but I have read /watched probably 25 reviews that along with my own test drives have formed my views of the car.
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...255302891.html.
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12-07-2020, 12:27 PM
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I'd guess enthusiasts make up about 5-10% of the population at most. They want the nearest tenth of a second and watch sites like this like a hawk:
https://www.zeroto60times.com/
https://www.zeroto60times.com/
12-07-2020, 12:39 PM
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I'd guess enthusiasts make up about 5-10% of the population at most. They want the nearest tenth of a second and watch sites like this like a hawk:
https://www.zeroto60times.com/
https://www.zeroto60times.com/
Only one thing, I have to agree with some members here. Acura exaggerates the performance factor. Sure the TLX is a performance oriented luxury car but it's not C63splus. Their messaging is a bit misleading. They have to stay realistic. My brother always tells me, f**k advertising, all BS. Go check it yourself. He says it for everything not just cars.
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12-07-2020, 01:01 PM
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finally SG review is here 
i haven't watched it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
i haven't watched it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
Luckily that dude was not in the driver's seat. Mark ripped him a new one after that statement!
This is my first ever view of a SG Youtube review and Mark doesn't suffer fools.
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12-07-2020, 01:18 PM
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Some great snips from the YouTube comments section:
"Jack: Well I think this car isn't as fun as other cars
Goose: So you have chosen... death."
"The flipped seatbelt is a choice on the part of the filmmaker. It's a visual cue that depicts the flipped perspective on this car's merits taken by Jack compared to Mark. As an improperly used piece of safety equipment, it also foreshadows Jack's death in the season finale. Please never question these artists again."
"It was raining this morning, then I got my Savage Geese notification, and suddenly my car was paid off and I finally understood algebra. #GodsPlan"
"Jack: Well I think this car isn't as fun as other cars
Goose: So you have chosen... death."
"The flipped seatbelt is a choice on the part of the filmmaker. It's a visual cue that depicts the flipped perspective on this car's merits taken by Jack compared to Mark. As an improperly used piece of safety equipment, it also foreshadows Jack's death in the season finale. Please never question these artists again."
"It was raining this morning, then I got my Savage Geese notification, and suddenly my car was paid off and I finally understood algebra. #GodsPlan"
12-07-2020, 01:25 PM
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Thanks for sharing but 10% seems very high to me. 5% seems more reasonable. But again, it may worth for larger companies but not Acura and Infiniti. Their target market is way too small to follow BMW or MB. Look at Infiniti actually, they came up to beat the Germans: 400HP, RWD, this and that! Results: close to bankruptcies and shutdown major markets like Europe and Australia. No matter what you make, it has to make sense. it has to bring profit....
Only one thing, I have to agree with some members here. Acura exaggerates the performance factor. Sure the TLX is a performance oriented luxury car but it's not C63splus. Their messaging is a bit misleading. They have to stay realistic. My brother always tells me, f**k advertising, all BS. Go check it yourself. He says it for everything not just cars.
Only one thing, I have to agree with some members here. Acura exaggerates the performance factor. Sure the TLX is a performance oriented luxury car but it's not C63splus. Their messaging is a bit misleading. They have to stay realistic. My brother always tells me, f**k advertising, all BS. Go check it yourself. He says it for everything not just cars.
Car & Driver said this about the 2020 Red 400.
In our tests, the Q50 Red Sport 400 raced from zero to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. Other models in this segment offer quicker acceleration. For example, a BMW M340i we tested made the sprint in 3.8 seconds and a Mercedes-AMG C43 4Matic covered that stretch in 4.1 seconds.
Two things the performance buyer segment may be small but it influences what a cars overall "image" is. The 4 cylinder 330 will not run with the 6 cylinder M340 but its part of the family image. Second the BS adds fail where the rubber meets the road test & even many non performance buyers will notice that. It also sucks when the real performance cars actually turn in very good mileage numbers against the sheep.
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12-07-2020, 02:41 PM
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Quick question guys: how is the BMW and MB AWD? I know Audi has one of the best AWDs out there. Their Quarttaro is well known and considered the best.
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12-07-2020, 02:49 PM
#1971
I've had (and currently have) MB 4MATIC since 2011.
I had an AWD MDX for nearly 3 years.
They all drive about the same and not once have I ever said "this AWD implementation feels a lot more secure than the others!" I drive in NJ with rain and bad snow on occasion and there are stretches of road that are quite hilly.
Either I'm no good at judging the different AWD systems or they are all really just good at what they do, which is get out of the way and let folks drive.
12-07-2020, 03:01 PM
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12-07-2020, 03:20 PM
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I had Quattro in my A6 for 3 years.
I've had (and currently have) MB 4MATIC since 2011.
I had an AWD MDX for nearly 3 years.
They all drive about the same and not once have I ever said "this AWD implementation feels a lot more secure than the others!" I drive in NJ with rain and bad snow on occasion and there are stretches of road that are quite hilly.
Either I'm no good at judging the different AWD systems or they are all really just good at what they do, which is get out of the way and let folks drive.
I've had (and currently have) MB 4MATIC since 2011.
I had an AWD MDX for nearly 3 years.
They all drive about the same and not once have I ever said "this AWD implementation feels a lot more secure than the others!" I drive in NJ with rain and bad snow on occasion and there are stretches of road that are quite hilly.
Either I'm no good at judging the different AWD systems or they are all really just good at what they do, which is get out of the way and let folks drive.
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12-07-2020, 03:22 PM
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Its a case of you can claim any horsepower number you want. But you need to put the muscle where your advertising is. The Red 400 failed to do that. The 400BHP car gets its butt kicked by the 382BHP & 385BHP cars. Whats really a killer for the Red 400 is if you go back to the last generation 320BHP BMW @ 4.2 to 60 it is also quicker than the current Red 400. Which BTW is a pretty nice car again with poor marketing.
Car & Driver said this about the 2020 Red 400.
In our tests, the Q50 Red Sport 400 raced from zero to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. Other models in this segment offer quicker acceleration. For example, a BMW M340i we tested made the sprint in 3.8 seconds and a Mercedes-AMG C43 4Matic covered that stretch in 4.1 seconds.
Two things the performance buyer segment may be small but it influences what a cars overall "image" is. The 4 cylinder 330 will not run with the 6 cylinder M340 but its part of the family image. Second the BS adds fail where the rubber meets the road test & even many non performance buyers will notice that. It also sucks when the real performance cars actually turn in very good mileage numbers against the sheep.
Car & Driver said this about the 2020 Red 400.
In our tests, the Q50 Red Sport 400 raced from zero to 60 mph in 4.5 seconds. Other models in this segment offer quicker acceleration. For example, a BMW M340i we tested made the sprint in 3.8 seconds and a Mercedes-AMG C43 4Matic covered that stretch in 4.1 seconds.
Two things the performance buyer segment may be small but it influences what a cars overall "image" is. The 4 cylinder 330 will not run with the 6 cylinder M340 but its part of the family image. Second the BS adds fail where the rubber meets the road test & even many non performance buyers will notice that. It also sucks when the real performance cars actually turn in very good mileage numbers against the sheep.
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12-07-2020, 04:02 PM
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I must say, I'm a bit shocked. I thought for sure Mark would be more critical vs. so impressed. I guess I have to appreciate his point of view, just never thought he would sound like a fanboy lol.
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12-07-2020, 04:06 PM
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I'm not that surprised. I did think the car itself is really nice, and I suppose if you get one that doesn't have the weird laggy transmission when downshifting, it drives as well as you can expect from a car in this segment. He did touch on how useless the backseats are, but practicality as never been a huge focus for his reviews. Now, if he had gotten the same car the TSP boys got, I'd be shocked if he didn't get himself permanently blackballed by Honda/Acura.
12-07-2020, 04:20 PM
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I'm not that surprised. I did think the car itself is really nice, and I suppose if you get one that doesn't have the weird laggy transmission when downshifting, it drives as well as you can expect from a car in this segment. He did touch on how useless the backseats are, but practicality as never been a huge focus for his reviews. Now, if he had gotten the same car the TSP boys got, I'd be shocked if he didn't get himself permanently blackballed by Honda/Acura.
12-07-2020, 05:49 PM
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As someone who came out of a Red Sport and now in an M340i, the issues are more than just the speed the Red Sport is a quick car but the interior is dated beyond belief. It just doesn't compare for a car with an MSRP as high as the BMW even though they discount them heavily .It also has a different feel, it feels cheap in comparison to the BMW. If they had come out guns blazing like they did the Original G35's which had the Germans Scrambling this car would have been a hit. They totally dropped the ball.
The magazines could have easily run all the same stories when the G37 hit the market.
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12-07-2020, 06:09 PM
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FWIW or not. A few random thoughts. In the Army one of my "extra" jobs was testing & issuing US military drivers licenses & have a lot of 4X4, 6X6 & track vehicle experience. Also drove a 427/435hp Stingray 4MT from the Jersey Shore to Wall St. Got caught in any number of snow storms over 20 years but managed pretty well with RWD. Also ran a 280ZX 5MT & some sedan RWD AT's during that time. Think up north 4X4 can be a good thing for many drivers but not really necessary in the south.
In sports cars don't think you need it till the engine is over powering the suspension. My COBRA is traction limited & 4X4 would help it but take away a lot of the fun.
12-07-2020, 06:23 PM
#1980
finally SG review is here i haven't watched it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
i haven't watched it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
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12-07-2020, 08:14 PM
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Savage Geese and most other YouTube reviewers can’t be taken seriously. They never go to the trouble of evaluating what an actual buyer goes through. All they do is drive the car for a few hours, maybe a day or two.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
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12-07-2020, 08:49 PM
#1982
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Savage Geese and most other YouTube reviewers can’t be taken seriously. They never go to the trouble of evaluating what an actual buyer goes through. All they do is drive the car for a few hours, maybe a day or two.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
Maybe they could even show the more-advanced features (like Super-Cruise , Rear Cross-Traffic, and Traffic-Sign Recognition). Any mitigations really.
Even Raiti . His Audi reviews are good, but the test-drive is mainly him racing around.
I want to see that also, but still.EDIT: Maybe show the RGB Ambient lighting? Remote-Start. Things unique to the model.
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12-07-2020, 10:07 PM
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finally SG review is here i haven't watched it yet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
i haven't watched it yet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwGf...5eBKC4iAYaGDlI
The driveshaft also does not have "U" joints, some sort of angular coupler. SG, one of the best YouTube auto reviewers out there along with AoA.
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12-08-2020, 05:47 AM
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Thx for posting SG review, been waiting for it. As usual SG reviews, informative in not only driving impressions but technical features and content of the car. Pretty cool front engine cradle appears to be die-cast aluminum.
The driveshaft also does not have "U" joints, some sort of angular coupler. SG, one of the best YouTube auto reviewers out there along with AoA.
The driveshaft also does not have "U" joints, some sort of angular coupler. SG, one of the best YouTube auto reviewers out there along with AoA.
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12-08-2020, 06:37 AM
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^^^ realized after I wrote about the driveshaft, that's the same kind of angle coupling that's been used on Honda's since the CR-V of the late 90's.
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12-08-2020, 10:59 AM
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When it first came out the G35 got a lot of magazine ink "Is this the 3 series killer?", never killed much of anything but is was good copy to sell magazines. The G35 had its hands full with my summer tired TL 6MT. The Germans were always a half step ahead of the Asian brands. They put out a good car then boosted it with the mid cycle upgrades 3 years in, then 3 years later it was a new model. Wash, dry & repeat.
The magazines could have easily run all the same stories when the G37 hit the market.
The magazines could have easily run all the same stories when the G37 hit the market.
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12-08-2020, 11:27 AM
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Thanks to the speedometer that was projecting on the HUD in SG's review, I clocked his Advance at 6.2 sec. I did this 3 times and not once did it even approach 6.5 sec, let alone the 7 sec that Jack mentioned.
You guys can replicate this yourselves at the 15:46 mark in the video.
You guys can replicate this yourselves at the 15:46 mark in the video.
12-08-2020, 11:28 AM
#1989
Another AoA review on the TLX
12-08-2020, 12:02 PM
#1990
Can someone explain to me what "premium gadgets" I'm missing by not buying German if I had the TLX Advance?
12-08-2020, 12:10 PM
#1991
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Savage Geese and most other YouTube reviewers can’t be taken seriously. They never go to the trouble of evaluating what an actual buyer goes through. All they do is drive the car for a few hours, maybe a day or two.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
Try building the car the way a buyer of a ~$50,000 car would, where you’d want the best looks paired with the best features. Oh, you can’t do that with the TLX??
It’s still a joke.
Savagegeese is not just for pure buying decisions....he's also entertianing and gets into the technical aspects for some of the higher level enthusiast cars.
Looks like you're not a fan of the TLX at all. Looks - subjective, obviously. Features? You'll have to decide if its worth it to go for the Germans. I thought SG covered that pretty well...and he pointed out the issue with the infotainment system
12-08-2020, 12:39 PM
#1992
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To answer your question, you would have to mention some other specific German car (and specify trim and any added ala-carte options).
12-08-2020, 12:58 PM
#1993
“Premium gadgets” was mentioned during comparison of the TLX against C class, 3 series, and A4. Am I the only one confused from AoA’s final review?
12-08-2020, 01:30 PM
#1994
Fully digital dash
Memory seats for the passenger
Pano sunroof
Power trunk
Wireless carplay
Hardware wise, it's not that extensive, but the lack of a digital dash really hurts. It's not just a matter of simply digital vs analog gauges; a digital dash opens up a bevy of other options and capabilities in terms of customizability, additional information, etc.
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12-08-2020, 01:41 PM
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Off the top of my head:
Fully digital dash
Memory seats for the passenger
Pano sunroof
Power trunk
Wireless carplay
Hardware wise, it's not that extensive, but the lack of a digital dash really hurts. It's not just a matter of simply digital vs analog gauges; a digital dash opens up a bevy of other options and capabilities in terms of customizability, additional information, etc.
Fully digital dash
Memory seats for the passenger
Pano sunroof
Power trunk
Wireless carplay
Hardware wise, it's not that extensive, but the lack of a digital dash really hurts. It's not just a matter of simply digital vs analog gauges; a digital dash opens up a bevy of other options and capabilities in terms of customizability, additional information, etc.
12-08-2020, 02:02 PM
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https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles/2022-mdx
Click the link, and then click on the little number that says 116 and tell me what it says.
Click the link, and then click on the little number that says 116 and tell me what it says.
12-08-2020, 02:03 PM
#1997
Off the top of my head:
Fully digital dash
Memory seats for the passenger
Pano sunroof
Power trunk
Wireless carplay
Hardware wise, it's not that extensive, but the lack of a digital dash really hurts. It's not just a matter of simply digital vs analog gauges; a digital dash opens up a bevy of other options and capabilities in terms of customizability, additional information, etc.
Fully digital dash
Memory seats for the passenger
Pano sunroof
Power trunk
Wireless carplay
Hardware wise, it's not that extensive, but the lack of a digital dash really hurts. It's not just a matter of simply digital vs analog gauges; a digital dash opens up a bevy of other options and capabilities in terms of customizability, additional information, etc.
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12-08-2020, 02:23 PM
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Well, if you look at it from that perspective, with the TLX's mix of digital and analog, failure rate is probably higher because either the analog mechanical pieces could fail, or the digital screen could fail. At least with full digital, there's no mechanical component to fail.
12-08-2020, 02:29 PM
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https://www.acura.com/future-vehicles/2022-mdx
Click the link, and then click on the little number that says 116 and tell me what it says.
Click the link, and then click on the little number that says 116 and tell me what it says.
Was this the same note on the TLX Type S?
Edit: I just checked. It’s the same note.
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12-08-2020, 02:32 PM
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Well, if you look at it from that perspective, with the TLX's mix of digital and analog, failure rate is probably higher because either the analog mechanical pieces could fail, or the digital screen could fail. At least with full digital, there's no mechanical component to fail.
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