phossotronic

Was at the dealer on Thursday and the manager was also talking to me about how gorgeous the new models were. He also mentioned that they are planning a V8 upgrade for the TL but of course not for the 2009 models. Truth or fiction I don't know.

This is how the conversation went:
Him: Forgot exactly what he said but it was something about Acura planning/adding a V8 and V10 (NSX) to the lineup.
Me: V8? Wow, in what car, the RL?
Him: No, the TL.
These last two lines were exact.

Aman

@ JD TL-S: what do you mean, ONLY? 300 is where everyone is around: 335i, IS350, G35, etc., and to my knowledge, none of them offer AWD as standard, and defintetly not one as unique as Acura's SH-AWD. They have absolutely NO reason to offer more than 310 at the most hp on the base model. for a Type-S, 330 is a distinct possibilty however.
the current base TL goes 0-60 in something like 5.9, and a Civic Si in high 6s o low 7s. the TL will be a tad slower, but not that much. the 09 will probably go 0-60 in 6.1 or something.

As for the manual thing,I'm not sure if it will be offered with it. the TL is based on the Accord, which only has a manual availble with the 4-cylinders.


I noticed that no one has mentioned the CL. Does anyone think it will be revived? It would make for good competition for the G37, 335i coupes etc., especially considering how good the Acord coupe looks.

Aman

TSX is too big to compare with the 1-series.

The TL could be considered a 3series and a 5series fighter, depending on your criteria. the TL is obviously around the same price point and power peak as the 3series, but with the space to match the 5series. the TSX in size could compete with the 3series, but is quite a bit cheaper,

PsychoRx

Ok, so here is the 2009 Acura TSX.



I'm not feeling that front grill. Looks like a smiling mouth. The scoop at the bottom is pretty cool but I still dig my 04 TL front grill better. Hope they don't do the same for the 09 TL.

pttl

^
so freakin ugly! lines moving in too many different directions, and jagged edged cut outs.

gcook

Maybe they'll just call it the TL coupe and just forget about the CL altogether. The CL and TL shared a lot of likenesses..

krio

right

rksokol

I'd be content with Acura just making the torque more accessible.

Spiritman

Hey..... I heard yesterday that for 09 there will be 3 new models of TL!! WOW, A basic = front drive standard motor. 2nd = SHAWD little bigger motor. Then the S-type!! 3.7L worth of 310-320HP! With the improved S-type package. Also SHAWD! Yes. Just thought you might want to know. I talked to a guy that saw the type S TL. He said it was very impressive. I believe his words were "drop dead gorgeous!"

dr_brains510

thats good to hear spiritman...just a quick question...does the addition of awd add on weight to a car?? if the new type s (if it will be out in 09) is going to be awd w/ a 3.7L engine, will it be as fast as say a g37 w/ 330hp?

csmeance

SH-AWD will add weight to the car, but acura is semi-smart about that. In the RL they use a Carbon Drive shaft to connect the rear dif, and use aluminum for the hood, fenders, trunk and a few other portions.

FiveLiterCheater

A lot of people that attended some conference held by Acura said the Type-S model isn't to be released when the 4G initially hits the sales floors. And for what its worth, the Type-S models usually have 25-30 more HP over the standard model. If the SHAWD base model has 300, I think its safe to say they can get 325/330 with the S.

IMO, SHAWD with 300HP would barely be faster than the current TL-S. The AWD system adds a lot of weight and sucks up much more power than it being FWD. Why can't they just go RWD

SilverJ

No thanks from us East Coasters. RWD Saaaa-hucks in the snow. Ill stick with the FWD or AWD. I want a car I can drive all year long.

whiteknight

Last week my dealer mentioned it would be hitting show room floors in september. I'm split on getting an '08 or waiting for the '09. Based on the issues I had with my '01 CL-S during the first few years I'm a little cautious getting the '09. However, after 160K miles it's still going strong and with no more issues. Decisoins, decisions, decisions ........

DejaVu85

got another picture of the new TSX

Bearcat94

Despite the rumors and hearsay, I personally doubt there will be a TL Type-S until a year or two after the 4G TL hits the market. That's been the pattern for the 2G and the 3G - to use the TL-S as a Mid-Model Refresh.

300 HP SH-AWD won't beat the current 3G base 0 - 60, let alone come close the current Type-S. Dyno's of the RL show that it loses 30% of it's HP between the crank and the wheels. 300 HP - 30% = ~210 WHP PLUS the extra SH-AWD weight. I'd call that lethargic. When it finally builds up a head of steam, I bet it'll turn well though.

CrazyNurse

I was at my dealership last Saturday and my service manager (who happens to be a Supra Tuner) said he had seen pix of the new TL in some brochures that had arrived.

He wouldn't let me see them but said the car looks "very muscular" and that I would like what Acura had done.

we'll see...

krio

310-320 for the Type-s, than how much hp for the standard FWD? 280 maybe? and for the AWD? 290-300?? Than WHY a Type-s with 310-320???

miker_types

the second gen cl did come out with a typeS as an option in year 1 though? so who knows maybe a 2009 typeS, acura might be even more hush hush about the type S maybe?

mobusta

For everyone arguing that 3 series is in the same proformance range as the TL-S I think you might be wrong. The 3 series out proforms the tl-s by a mile. I think a lot of people are forgetting that the bimmer comes with a stock twin turbo. I drove my buddies 335i and all I can say is that my 08 TL-S wouldn't have kept up with it.

EL19

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^^^everyone knows that an 08TLS can keep up with a 335 but everyother 3 series out there cant compete. I thnk that Acura will proabaly come out with a more efficient SHAWD system that can somehow hinder the amount of drivetrain loss & hopefully the weight as well. But thats a huge wish.

Ac Man

You're absolutely right, an extra 10-20 Hp for the type-S model would be very foolish on Acura's part. Acura talks about being a Tier 1 luxury auto manufacturer, if that's the case, they need to make the Type-S much more powerful than the base and SH-AWD versions. Mercedes has AMG and BMW has the M, and both models are much more powerful than the base model engines. The Type-S version needs to be head and shoulders above the other models in the lineup. 10-20 extra hp is a waste of time in the Type-S, because I'm sure Acura could squeeze 10+ Hp out of the 3.7 engine anyway. If Acura wants to play with the big boys, they need to make the Type-s more prestigeous. Sure, many of us probably wouldn't be able to afford it, but it would be aimed at a higher (richer) demographic anyway.

6SpdTerror

100% agreed. I would much rather spend my money on a real deal type-s than an M or AMG. I doubt acura would give the type-s 100-200 extra HP over the standard versions tho!

paulboo

I am at my dealer for some quick warranty fixes and they had quite a few of the new TSXs on the lot. So that reminded me to ask sour the 2009 TL. According to my sales guy, the new TL will come in 2 models, base and technology packages. The base will feature a 280hp fwd platform while the technology will feature a 305hp awd platform. He said we shouldn't be seeing any pics for another few months tho. I guess the Type S is going into its usual hiatus until the 4g mid model refresh.

jay0k

AMG and M series are in a completely different category. It's not a fair comparison.

KHS1021

holy crap! we have a picture, just 1...guys, check out this months's car and driver (just got it 10 minutes ago) and there is a pic of the '09 TL on page 44 at the top. Looks like ASM (come on, no WDP or NBP?) and it looks pretty damn mean. Except for the flat silver "smiley grill" like on the MDX and TSX. They are are saying it will 3.7L, 300HP (from the RL), front wheel drive. No mention of SH-AWD, or the smaller 3.5L engine, or the type s.

madddog32

How do you guys like this??????????????

madddog32

I Like What I See Fellas!! I Really Do I Am Very Excited Right Now And I Will Be On Acurazine All Night Tonight Rather Than Going Out To Party With All My College Buddies!!!

chill_dog

Just like with the TSX, the grille can be painted...no biggie. The wheels are great. The only thing I don't like, from what I can see, are the tail lights. Overall, I like it (depending on how the rear turns out).

Ibn Rushd

I think the 300-310 figure stated above isn't the Type S statistics but more or less the SHAWD set up of the TL.


I see the 3.5 being in the base TL which would be FWD (thus being cheaper, because it's easier to transport the engine with it's drivetrain)

And since we're getting a Shawd setup, my guess is that the SHAWD will get the MDX/RL engine and the matching drivetrain (which proves that they really messed up the RL's position, i don't think the RL/TL teams were collaborating on this).

And methinks that the as i've said before, the Type S variants get 30 - 50hp Boost (RSX had something in the vicinity of 44hp, and the TL's have had in between 25- 30)

Meaning the Type S with SHAWD would get between 325 - 340....

No?


Edit: The TL picture, dunno it looks nice, but still that Grille...

Edit 2: The Canadian market got heavily hurt for the TSX pricing (i mean our base has CLOTH seats, yet costs 5 thousand more? Our top of the line has the same stuff but costs 8 thousand more?)

Let's see how the TL pricing compares...does anyone else see 44 - 60? Which puts this car right before the RL which starts at 70 Canadian?

Anyone else think this is...well ridiculous?

chill_dog

I seriously hope that was supposed to be in red...if not, you need help.

KHS1021

alright guys...here it is...took a digital of the pic in the magazine cuz i could not find it online...let the debate begin

VoLLy

iTrader: (8)

They need to do something more to the front to distinguish it from the TSX. More than just the fogs and the painted line on the lower grile.

TLMcLovin

would like to see more angles before I can give my verdict but that Grill From this shot you can really see the 08 accord lineage.


I does lokk agrresive though

madddog32

I jsut want to give you guys my little input first. I like the front end, the grille is not bothering me at all. As a whole it all looks quite intimidating. From what I can see of the back it looks like a G35 sort of with the tails. And the wheels are sick, they look like they came of the Infiniti FX. The shape and th elines are quite nice....but i dont hitnk anything will ever top our 3G's Was not expecting somethign liek this at all after seeing the TSX and RL. GREAT job again ACURA.!! I look foward to rreading the pages and pages of what everyone has to say!

ankur914

Holy
Those Fog lights! looks like Jaws ugly head coming down the road!

The rims are sucktastic....

and those tails....holy crapola....looks like a huge hershey smear on the rear quater panel

If they change the rims....the cars appearance would probalby improve three fold.

But those fogs......oh dear god.....they dont look like they belong....looks too blocky and rice a roni....

grill and headlights are not toooo bad, but if the grill gets changed (which they wont) it would definitely improve the look of the car...

my initial opinion...but itll change, and itll grow on me...but right now....i love my 06 that much more.

Navy TL

Not really feeling those pics at all. But seeing that they are just pics and not the real thing yet, i will hold my opinion until i see something concrete.

TLMcLovin

I agree that these pics likely don't do it justice but I still remember the first time I saw the 3G TL and how impressd I was with it and I'm not feeeling that...yet!

pttl

The overall stance of the car is just like the new Accord. Grille/headlights/fogs/lower lip =

playa4real

iTrader: (3)

definitely not a fan.... i like my 3G a lot better, but we'll see once we get some better pics.



where is the pic from?