RSA_Secure

not necessarily a good thing because current TL looks amazing. Hoping for an evolutionary design.

Mindworm

RSA -- it's not.

flydog

Your top secret info has been out for 3 weeks now http://jalopnik.com/365647/2009-acur...w-tl-tl-type+s

jproy

The pic in the link just mentioned above isnt the 2009 TL, its the 2009 RL front FYI for those of you who didnt know.

Mindworm

Correct. Flydog sent you to an RL pic with TL info below it from a few weeks back...

korrupted

just saw the 09 tsx on motorweek, no excitement, so bland.......

John06

Hi All...

I hope we get some new info of the 2009 Tl after the GM preview at New Orleans.

A few questions I have :

1. Can anyone tell me, If the type S will be offered in its first year of production or it will only be offered in the last 2 production years.

2. Will Acura offer SH-AWD with 6 speed Manual. ( It has never been offered on any Acura model`s before)

I hope the 2 answer is yes. Or I may have to get an Audi or BMW....

vara411

I just had a good look at the new TSX... looks like a suped-up Mazda. If Acura is going in the same direction with the styling of the new TL, then I will NOT be a repeat customer. What the hell do they think they're doing?!

It's so frustrating when a car company seems to be getting it right finally and then completely loses it. Let's hope Acura doesn't "lose it" with the new TL.

Send in those new pics as soon as ya can, please!

jramm3

1. It will not be all wheel drive. guaranteed. Acura is too stupid to branch away from FWD. and 2. The new TSX looks like absolute crap, i saw it at the NY auto show. So i wouldnt speculate too much as of yet.

Mindworm

Jramm3 -

I know for a fact it's SH-AWD. Their design may be lacking, but SH-AWD is indeed going to be in the lineup.

KeithL

On the base car? Some how I am doubting that, I think 3.7 and SH-AWD will be for Type-S. They need a bigger seperation of Type-S and base TL and SH-AWD is it, might allow them to push Type-S upwards of $42K. My guess is we'll see base TL price increase of $1k-$2K then you'll see a Type-S 3.7 SH-AWD for about $3-5K over the loaded TL. Pushing Type-S into the $40K+ territory. Although with current economy they may have to hold the line on pricing for now.

Mindworm

I don't know if it will be base. My guy/gal only confirmed the SH-AWD was being tested at the time and they were having troubles getting the requisite HP out of the engine and performance times on the track with it.

Many others have chimed in saying it will be FWD first, so that very may well be true. I'm kinda' keeping my mouth shut on most counts to keep my guy/gal out of trouble.

Interestingly enough, pics I saw (side, 3/4 rear, rear) and the conversation I had centered around how the front end would be ok, but the rear would be divisive. I didn't get to see the front end in full, so I can't comment on the grill issue(s) many (including myself) have.

In regards to what someone else said, this car is not "evolutionary" in look at all though. Unless you felt the 3.2 TL was a precursor to what we are driving now.

Which I don't.

kabota

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/12/r...vors-gets-awd/

lindros2

I got tired of waiting for more information (was hoping and/or expecting something at the NY Auto Show like in 2003) and went away from the brand for the time being.

FWD platform + the various creaks/rattles/tire_issues/headliner_woes/etc. on my 2004 TL scare me on initial build Acuras. Actually, the first 2008 MDX I drove was a piece of garbage, but a new one (118 miles when I drove it; built in ~January 2008) was rock-solid.

Anyhow, best of luck with the 2009 TL...

miiipilot

I wanted to share this with you for those who haven't had a 4g update lately.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/12/r...vors-gets-awd/

Sounds a like a little hope and a little disappointment.

SH-AWD

Still lower HP than the G35 even with the higher end option

my
miiipilot

gabagoo

My lease is up in Aug and I would like to see this new version before thinking of leasing an 08. Mind you with the skyrocketing price of gas I am now thinking about an accord coupe with manual transmission. Anyone know if they run on regular gas?

Aman

yea, but the G35 isnt as luxurious, nor as spacious as the current TL.

luckily, this just means that the Type-S will be much better, assuming they will release one. the Question now is what will it look like?

Xpditor

Thanks. We're hungry for more details. This helps and is consistent with other reports.... but more detail.

JAB00

I think if the new gen TL has 300hp w/ the SH-AWD drive train and evolutionary looks to this exemplar looking 3-gen it'll be still a real contender. Likely it will have upgraded tech goodies. If Acura is smart they'd leave a FWD platform in the 250ish to 270ish HP range for those who don't care about RWD or AWD. Not surprisingly this group is probably the largest segment of car buyers (middle to older aged men and women).

Mindworm

Not to get into car talk, but the current G35 mops the floor with the TL. From tech to engine to overall driving, it's not even close. The only people who believe otherwise haven't driven the G35/37.

That doesn't make the TL a bad car, just not truly competitive with the 328/335, G35/37, new A4/A5, etc....

KGB11

*Dives in flame bunker*

Legend2TL

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4459

Road and Track magazine drove both a TL Type-S, G35 Sport, and a IS350 and preferred the IS350 1st, TL Type-S 2nd and G35 Sport last (well technically last but 3rd I guess).

I believe they actually drove it also

Legend2TL

Hopefully the R&T comparison test will throw a bucket of water to douse the potential flames :0

FiveLiterCheater

Doesn't sound like you've truely driven the G35. It has more power on paper, but doesn't feel like it when you're pushing the car. I even drove the G37 coupe, and even with the 330hp the car did not feel fast, and you can really feel the weight in that car. Interior still has the cheesy/cheap Nissan look IMO, although its covered up a lot better than the previous ones. Go look at the C&D review, the G placed last against the TL-S and the IS350. The TL-S also beat both the IS350 and G around the track in another test by two seconds. You might want to reevaluate your definition of competitive.

Legend2TL

One thing that I took away from that 2G Pilot article is that newer Acura/Honda are getting increasingly sophisticated center stack-ups which IMO can be a distraction while driving. I've been in a neighbors MDX for a camping weekend and quick honestly don't know how the driver can manage the entertainment system, climate control and nav while driving. I was doing it in the passenger seat and it's alot of tech overload.

Hopefully the next TL will keep to the current 3G TL's simple layout. They seemed to do this on the lastest TSX and Civic but the latest Accord is fairly complicated.

Ibn Rushd

That's a new one for the Acura....different drive train and engine and not calling it a Type S....


Maybe they learned their lesson in time for the TL.

But that means that the Type S will have to come out pushing roughly 330 - 340 because usually all the Type S variants push about 30 more horses, at least.

RSX - 155, Type S - 201
2G TL/CL - 225, Type S 260
3G TL - 258, Type S - 285
4G TL - 280, TL AWD, 300, Type S - 330 - 350.


That's using the assumption that the FWD isn't the one getting the Type S .


As for the G35...it doesn't "floor" the current TL much at all, as someone mentioned Road and Track had the TL come above the G. Plus it's not really good to compare the current G which has gone through updating and the TL hasn't.

RSA_Secure

http://www.leftlanenews.com/details-...-acura-tl.html

RSA_Secure

agt2046

What about A-Vtec and DSG tranny that is worthy to raise my eye brows? Or just same old trusty SOHC, 5AT and 6MT.

acura911

the 3G Type S has 286 not 285

Mindworm

I should have shut up.

In the past 4 months I've driven the G35 and G37S, S5, 328 and 335 sedan, IS350 with that friggin' awesome Levinson sound system, and a Lotus Elise. (Don't ask on that last one.)

Anywho, I thought that both G's beat my 2004 TL handily. The S5 was ridiculously high priced for what you got, but, again, much better than the TL. The 328 4 door was loaded, and the torque -- even from that smaller engine, was damn impressive. The 335 coupe was absurd. Just stupid good. The IS350 was my second favorite behind the 335, lacking the crazy super torqe and handling the 335 had. Best sound system I've heard though. A true achievement.

And the Elise, well, that's just like driving a go-kart on steriods. And I was smiling the whole time I was in it. Completely impractical. Completely painful for anything longer than 60 minutes would be my guess, and a dentist's dream since your fillings come out with every bump.

I like my TL, but have never truly fallen in love due to the usual suspects -- rattles being the biggest culprit.

I'm done on the topic. Best left for the car talk forum.

Ikko

I guess the Type-S is gonna get the V8?! Wishful thinking on my part!

CrazyNurse

Wow...Wow! Are you serious? Did you drive the current '07 G (Base, Journey, or Sport)? Did you turn off stability control and toss the tail around? It didn't make you grin, really?

The TL should be coming w/RWD but won't (Honda is rumored to finally be bringing RWD architecture to the next RL).

The G, IS and 3 Series all put the power where God intended: to the rear. That's why with even less power in a 328 the driving dynamic is so much better.

FiveLiterCheater

I don't wanna get too far into this, but it was a base model G37. It was fun, but didn't feel much faster than the previous G35.

As for putting the power where its meant to be...didn't help the G or IS beat the TL-S @ Willow Springs Imagine what a TL-S with SHAWD could do

Xpditor

Alright, folks.

Look up there ^ at the thread title and get a grip.

If you want to talk about TL vs. Infiniti, Lexus, Audi......

If you want to talk about TSX or RL .....

Take it to CAR TALK or the appropriate forum. If you post it here, your post will be deleted since we cannot move it.

And if we have to delete very many posts from the same person, we're not going to be happy campers.

Xpditor

But, if you're good boys and girls, I will share a treat with you...

A spy shot of the actual 2009 TL front end/grille... unmasked.

CLICK HERE

APRIL FOOL!


(It's a couple of weeks late.)

ACCURATEin

Ac Man

Funny! You had me for a second, and I don't think I'm the only one.

Thorin78

Sweet, 2009 TL AWD

http://www.leftlanenews.com/details-...-acura-tl.html

And now, just a few weeks after Honda/Acura's dealer meeting in New Orleans, information has been leaked about the upcoming 2009 Acura TL.

According to a source who attended the meeting, the 2009 Acura TL lineup will consist of two models: a base front-wheel drive car and an up-level all-wheel drive model. The front-driver will be powered by a 280 horsepower 3.5L V6 whereas the AWD model will receive its motivation from a 3.7L V6 producing 300 horsepower.

Despite boasting 300 horsepower and all-wheel drive, the range-topping model will not sport the Type-S nameplate. In fact, the source says that Acura will not offer a Type-S model, at least not in 2009 guise. It remains unclear if the performance model will eventually join the lineup.

Acura has promised us a new TL by the end of the year so a Los Angeles Auto Show reveal seems likely.

TSX69

Perhaps I am just being optimistic but I think that the TL will appeal more to this site than the RL or TSX bc those 2 are mostly gerared towards Euro/Japan buyers so compromises have to be made. The TL, on the other hand, is mostly for the North American market & its styling should reflect this.

I am guessing that the Type S is being reserved for something even bigger than 300hp, which nowadays is not a lot for that segment.