redman042

I take what the dealers say with a grain of salt, because they certainly have a vested interest in selling lots of TLs. But it makes sense that Acura would save their best design for the TL. The TSX is the budget level luxury car, and the RL is a fairly low production volume car. Did the dealer give you any idea how long before the reveal? I suppose it could still be a month or two depending on how many 08 TLs they still have to get rid of.

kappa821

to me the saturn grill and new acura grill are very similiar, which isnt a good thing

J-Hop2o6

When i went to Acura of Seattle to sign some 08 TL paperwork,, i seen the 09 TSX in person, and im preddy impressed.. i kept lookin at it.. but for some reason, its in pictures

dtech

I found this link just awhile ago...

http://www.leftlanenews.com/details-...-acura-tl.html

Acuraboy7

Saturn copied Acura, Acura didn't copy saturn.

redman042

They mention an LA Auto Show reveal - I checked the auto show's website and it lists November dates - is that right? I sure hope they reveal sooner than that.

Ac Man

He just said it would come out in September, with no official debut planned as of now. So I guess folks can kill talk of waiting for the L.A. auto show to see the new TL. The sales guy is an Acura fan, he's not someone who sells Acura's because he's trying to make ends meet, he really likes Acura as a whole. Everytime I visit my dealership we sit down and talk about Acura's, so I know this guy isn't bullshitting me. All he knows is what I mentioned before, because he said the sales people are left in the dark about the TL. But the owner threw them a bone so they can get excited, which in turn got me excited.

He even dispelled the notion that SH-AWD will add a ton of weight to the TL, not true. He pulled out a picture of the '09 RL's drivetrain from a brochure and it doesn't look very bulky at all. I think most people are talking about other car manufacturer's system and are assuming Acura's system is similar, but it's not. Yes, it will add SOME weight to the car, but not to the point where it will feel like you're driving a tank.

Dave04TL

From VTEC forum

"saw the car....3.5 w/280hp and 3.7 w 305hp....no mention of "S" Type at all.....the front and rear of the car in no way resembles the present car or TSX...larger than the present TL and present Accord....it is as drastic to the persent TL as the present TL was to the '03 TL.....20G hard drive on board for personal music recording ...push button start.... "

BiggyMcWang

Type S will be out in 2012 as it lags 3 years after TL-P development.

xen-cuts

Supposedly TSX is a "complete redesign" but it looks like the same car + a new dash and grill to me. Even if it's wider, it's not that much different and the basic style is exactly the same.

blueracer17

How? The new TSX just came out?

BEAR-AvHistory

Car & Driver June Issue

04WDPSeDaN

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I thought they said its fake?

Aman

already been posted in the 09 thread as a certified photoshop

BEAR-AvHistory

Who "certified" it? & why would a national car magazine publish it in the current issue without saying its is a photoshop?

timmahh

Fender flares I like, along with the wheels.. Overall I don't mind it.. But the front is like TSX cloned..

KHS1021

photochop, see the 2009 thread

04WDPSeDaN

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http://vtec.net/news/news-item?news_item_id=757946

ecliptics

i think it was a memeber that said his friend is at GM at an acura dealership and went to a meeting where they showcased the TL to dealerships and he stated that it looked nothing like that... but yea its not "confirmed" we just all.... hope.... thats not the new TL

the back wheels look bigger than the front ones too. even at an angle someone else pointed out

Aman

not exactly "certified", but it's just an obvious TSX that's been stretched.

I don't know why Car and Driver would publish it but i read it often and half of their stuff is bullcrap.

ecliptics

cool i just read it

Bearcat94

The evidence for a photoshop based on a previous TSX photo is pretty convincing.

But your question is the one I have: How can C&D get away with publishing that "photo" as if it were, in fact, at TL with no disclaimer?

I'd think Acura would be pretty pissed that a highly regarded (or at least highly circulated) magazine would mis-represent the Acura brand in that way.

White92

Are people not reading this thread? There are so many posts on here that are reposts of something posted 4 posts up. We don't expect you to read all 50+ pages, but at least read the same page that you're posting on.

blkaspec

new tsx front + new rims + the majority of the new accord body (everything behind the grill) = the photo we see

ok, so acura released photos of the TSX and RL a month or so before release, why would we assume they would do anything different for the TL...

Aman

the title says all threads regarding the 09 TL will be merged here. the post with the pic of the 09 "TL" was originally a seperate thread.

Mokos23

i'm assuming what is printed in the car and driver article is correct, but of course the picture is wrong.

08CBP

Just to chime in about the TSX - it does look better in person. The profile and tail end views really are sharp. However, while the nose is better than the photos, it's still far from perfect. It's just akward to have that much chrome randomly thrown on to the front of a car. It reminds me of an American car (Saturn in particular). It just seems to me that well put together luxury cars shouldn't rely on a lot of chrome to bring the style design together. The MDX (which I like) doesn't. It has more of a billeted look to it that works well with the front fascia. The RL is okay, but it doesn't dominate the front like the TSX does as that car is significant larger and the grill is much smaller. Not sure why they chose to go that direction, but I wonder if this look is going to be similar to the now defunct look that Subaru had pushed on the WRX and their new SUV.

ecliptics

i just realized that after the 09 comes out we're all gona be the "3rd gen" when theres a "4th gen" and that makes me sad. its not goin to say 2004+ anymore but 2004-2008 :[

Bearcat94

Why would you believe the text?

It's just the same idle bullshit you read here. Only difference is they get it in print, so it has "credibility".

They lied about the photo, I figure they're "lying' about the specs (actually I assume they don't know, so they are guessing).

SweetJazz

I saw a few TSX's at the dealer and I was suprised that the TSX looked nearly as large as the 3rd Gen TL.

SpicyMikey

Yep, I took one for a test drive last weekend at my friends dealership and then parked it next to a new 08 TL. The TSX looked bigger, certainly wider. I think it also looked better (minus the tooth). I suppose that's good news for those who agree and also who are anticipating the new TL design. The people who have seen it in New Orleans seem to say it's very good looking and much different then the current gen.

Dave04TL

Very little word on the technologies that will be in the car... Acura has always been a "technology leader". I have heard push button start, 20G audio HD, XM Real Time Traffic, and iPod connectivity.

Any word on adaptive cruise control or even better auto stop and go in traffic, Lane change warning etc? Will they jump to paddles or keep the current shift method.

I assume we are losing the touchscreen to get the Acura "iDrive" knob.

Any insight on the technology package from those at NO would be great.

White92

It's really close. The TSX is still slightly larger in all areas but height. They both have the EXACT same height now. The new TL will probably be bigger than the RL.

ultimate_ed

Problem is, all those things are no longer "technology leader". Today, that's what Acura needs to do just to catch up.

YoungCeo

Wouldn't it be interesting if the TL came out and it actually looked close to the Car and Driver picture....doesn't it look like somewhat close to teh covered up spy shots? I actually got excited before I read about the chop status, but hell, couldnt it be an accurate chop?

OUTATIME

I don't even think the info is accurate, let alone the picture. It says 3.7 L 300hp pushed through the front wheels, but I think all of those reports from the dealer's meeting are saying SH-AWD which is more accurate.

YoungCeo

They are saying both....regular model with fwd, and a midlevel with sh-awd; and future type s I think...

redman042

It also runs counter to what the dealers have been telling us... that it looks "revolutionary", "like nothing out there", and "nothing like the TSX or RL". I think even one dealer saw the C&D photo and said "it looks nothing like that". I don't have time to read back.

CometVR4

Latest Car and Driver

Dave04TL

I agree. When the 2004 TL was released there was nothing on the market that could match the integrated nature of the electronics. Today, it is basically just like everything else and missing features that are on newer cars such as the G37. I'm just wondering if there will be any new "distinguishing" features in the 2009 TL.

I almost bought the G37 a month ago, but decided that I didn't like it more than my aging TL. So decided to wait to see how the 2009 TL matches up.

To be honest the grill/no grill debate is not all that important to me. I rarely drag race... so the 305hp vrs 330hp doesn't really drive my thinking.

I'm looking for over all look, presence, performance, and functions. Doesn't seem to be too much discussion on features.