NVA-AV6

They can drop maps, but you should still go to your local tuner to get it dialed in for your specific vehicle.....

Tripnbeats

only makes sense....i want a dyno in my kitchen.....run cars as im eating breakfast.

sunny201

Isnt the only difference between the Base and TypeS the ECU? (in terms of installing a turbo)
Therefore the TypeS owners could buy the same kit, but just need to get their FI/C fully tuned from a tuner. I might be wrong, but this is just something that came to mind.

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As far as I know. And the advantages of the larger engine would show up as better spoolup and a little extra power at the same psi. That's the beauty of the turbo. The wastegate will keep the boost the same regardless of which engine it's on. If you were to put the supercharger from a base onto a type S the boost would be lower.

05TLRIDER

I'll admit that I don't know much about turbo kits, so with that being said, why do you say the BOV could be deleted for autos? Wouldn't you still need that? I realize the auto would switch gears before too much pressure builds up, but couldn't it create a problem in the long run?


Oh, and it would be a lot of fun to take on a Z06 or Viper with a TL and be able to keep up with, if not beat them!!!

Tripnbeats

ur not beating those cars with a TL.....you'll keep up with em tho.

AcuraVic

The car is supposed to be ULEV (Ultra Low Emissions Vehicle), Do you think the Turbo TL will pass state emissions tests ?

Oh, and for the record (what record ?) I think $4K to $5K for this upgrade is a great price!!

Turbo_Kid

if the test is just odbii/can (or just a tailpipe sniffer) then perhaps yes. it will not pass a visual test. also depends on the state.

AcuraVic

Cool. They just hook up the computer here in Georgia (Atlanta). So, it sounds like the same old story, no CELs, no problem.

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acuravic. join the atlanta group. we are going to stone mountain on july 25th, already about 40 cars signed up

05TLRIDER

I don't know.....I've seen video of a turbo'd grand prix (with racing slicks) smoke a dodge viper on the strip! I kid I kid....you're right probably just keep up.

I did race a Chevelle SS396 last night.......didn't know he had a supercharger though I needed the turbo kit!

pass427

Yes it will include all neccesary parts , so after install you can start up ....a complete kit with all hardware example( a g35 turbonetics kit ).. Just an example .....

pass427

videos & dyno sheet later .... 4-5 k is what a good reliable kit usually go for.... 2-3 k or less if it's just slap together without testing .......

stillhere153

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[QUOTE=Hi speed;11000104]I agree, since redline is 7k-ish... you pretty much end up with super short gears... shortshifter is a must and good hand eye coordination...

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The wastegate controls boost pressure. The BOV is just there for when you slam the throttle shut while under boost to prevent a shockwave reversing the flow of air through the turbo. It puts a ton of stress on the thrust bearing and can stop or slow the compressor.

In an auto you're not letting off the gas nearly as much as a manual and the compressor housing of the turbo in the pictures looks like it's the ported unit which lessens the need for a BOV.

I never ran one until the last couple of years and that's just because I have such a large volume of air with a huge intercooler and 3" piping and a $1,800 turbo. In the first 12 years or so I never had a problem without a BOV. It also makes what I consider a cooler sound than a BOV when you let off.

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I couldn't tell but I'm assuimng the cats are deleted. If not, that's aweome. The turbo will only effect the 3rd cat if it affects anything. The turbo and associated plumbing can take some of the heat out of the exhaust stream during cruise which may or may not reduce the effectiveness. Overall I don't think there will be a problem with the cats in place.

Tripnbeats

lol damn we worked on a 70 chevelle ss a couple of years ago with a 454 + a 686 blower (or something like that) dual carb, 4.5inch pipes stright to the sides, tubbed out...all we did at the shop was the interior, but just to have the car there n be able to start it up everynight and warm it up was good enough for me lol....dude was over 1000horse with 93octane LOL!!!! it sounded like shotguns going off everytime a piston would go up n down.

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That's awesome. Only with a lot of displacement would you be able to make that kind of power on pump gas. I still miss the old rowdy V8s.

My father's GN (4.5L V6) made well over 800rwhp on pump gas....but it had a healthy dose of methanol injection. It's unlike any V6 you've ever heard. The solid cam is huge so it has a very loud clatter, sounds like a car in desperate need of a valve adjustment and the idle is so lopy, it sounds like a cammed big block. I remember that thing shaking dishes in the kitchen cabinets when he would start it in the garage. I followed him one time in my car and got to see all the people with a WTF look on their face as he drove by.

05TLRIDER

Thanks for the info.....I have to admit that even if this turbo setup didn't work, we've all learned a lot from reading the posts here! A huge thanks goes out to all for posting the info!!

Tripnbeats

i love it!

MobTownTL

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just a question, wouldn't we need to remove the limiter if we got that high of hp? i mean will the car just stop making power when it hits 135-155 cuz if not, wouldn't that make the car rev like crazy and then make it uncontrollable? sorry if what i just said makes no sense, not really a car guru like some but just something i was thinking of.

also, if we have auto trannys, will there be any disadvantages with our gearing? or will the turbo make the car rev past redline so we get the most out of the gears?

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Besides the other advantages of the auto coupled with a turbo (torque convertor, being able to put a load on the engine while stopped), the taller gearing of the auto will likely be an advantage over the manual. Look at the torque the TL is now making and the fact that turbo cars like a heavier load (the taller auto gears). I think we're going to see the autos running half a second quicker through the 1/4.

Redline won't change unless you program it to be higher. Commanded shift points won't be any higher but I've seen where the rpms climb so fast that it hits the revlimiter before the shift is actually executed even though the computer sends the signal at the same time.

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Rick_TL-S

That's still more than enough for them to shit themselves silly.
The speed limiter's a great question. Then again, I'm not sure just how safe a TL becomes anywhere at 160Mph.

But, I think in that area, we're going to need someone else to do the work to remove the limiter. Totally agreeing with you, though.

Badass. I've told a local friend at Jotech, and he's expressed a bit of interest in installing it.
If that's so, looks like we won't have to much longer after the base guys.

bukjoe15

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one question. I know there is no need for 1000hp, but is the TL capable of getting to that point? i mean a simple bolt on almost gave him 500hp with low boost. (correct) what about with turbo internals what do you guys think the car would do? and upgraded transmission of course.

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Of course it's doable.

It would require much more work in the form of ported heads and intake, bigger cams, etc. Boost would have to be in the high 20s to mid 30s with a higher 8,000+ rpm redline.

You figure a 6 cylinder with heads that flow in the neighborhood of 360CFM on the intake side with an intake that flows a little more than the heads, some large turbo specific cams to take advantage of the backpressure issue and head flow, and more rpm and it's possible with 29-35psi boost.

The thing is you turn the car into something different. At that level it's not as fun to drive on the street because the spool and transient response is going to be terrible on a little 3.2L. It's going to be tempermental, drivability is going to be much worse, don't forget the huge external fuel pump that's going to be as loud as the aftermarket exhaust, all in all you'll be happier with a 500hp TL for street use. It goes from a "best of all worlds" very tame street car to a temperamental race car.

I've been there before. The only reason I built this larger engine for my car (3.8L to 4.2L) is for drivability. I had no problem making whatever hp I wanted with the 3.8 but the turbo required was slow to spool and was no fun on the street. I bolted the same combo to the 4.2L and the spool was back and the large cam that used to lope was no longer noticable.

I would suggest the Honda 3.7L as the minimum starting point if 1,000hp is the goal. See if there's a stroker crank out there that can push you into the 4L+ territory.

No Honda trans will work. No CV axle will work. No Honda differential will work, you're talking about a welded up no slip unit that sucks on the street and destroys handling. It won't be any faster through the 1/4 unless you're an extemely good driver. It won't hook below 140mph.

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I never did say thanks for this comment.....so thanks!

race4ed

Without " I HATE CARS" where would we be? He knows just about everything about the TL and Engines, you give us hope for the Turbo kit for the TL and we thank you. I wish i knew all of these things but wow, you dont play lol

banelba

If need be I'll take care of it for you in the DL

Rick_TL-S

So basically at that point, a 1,000Hp would only make the car worth turning into a highway monster & nothing else?

I assume it's the same way at 600, 700, etc.? And I'm guessing that 500Bhp is as fun as the TL can get on the streets until it just becomes a pain in the ass?

Sorry if I sound stupid, I like everyone else, am just filled with hope from this thread.

banelba

You could not say it any better and I'm presently looking for something to move the limiter. If it's on the rpm it would send a different reading to the computer therefore giving us another 1k or 1.5k above the limit

anx1300c

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If you're talking about a top speed limiter, there isn't one on the base TL's or Type S 6MT, just the S 5AT. The first three are just drag limited, and that will be easily surpassed.

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400/400 will be enough to easily pull a C6 base, new M3 or M5 and just about anything else stock from a 30 mph roll, except the really big dogs. (Z06, ZR1, Viper, 911T etc)

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Not sure I would raise the rev limiter without running stiffer springs. Some engines have some "extra" built in, in the form of extra spring tension. But if it doesn't you're going to end up with bent valves. 500rpm should be safe but more than that I would worry unless someone has done it before.

No top speed governor that I'm aware of as anx1300 said. With the fairly good aerodynamics of the TL and double the factory hp, you'll probably see another 20mph, putting it around 170mph. I can say that although the TL handles very well for what it is at speeds below 100mph, it just doesn't have the suspension to safely cruise at 140+mph. My suggestion is maybe an inch lower than stock, no more than that, some decent springs and a lot of damping from the shocks. Mine's a little skittish at triple digit speeds unless I have the Konis 5/8 of the way or more. Sorry to go off topic.

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Can you imagine the look on their faces lol.

I was in my friend's CL65 AMG yesterday and this Civic gave us a pretty good run from a roll, we only got him by about 4 carlengths and had to actually try to pull. This thing just dyno'd at 690hp with the new tune. My friend who is way too into looks and what people think told me to look at him and start laughing like we were having a conversation and didn't know he was racing. It was pretty gay but it goes to show how bad the underdogs bother yuppie mobiles.

Red Voodoo

:gheylaugh

o4Komodo

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Will having a 2.5" or 2.75" [or whichever size the ATLP was again] lose some of the performance with the turbo versus having a 3"?

MobTownTL

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so your saying we just dont have enough power to go past our current top speed? i've never tried to get that high cuz the climb to 120 in a base 5at is ridiculous enough but other than the S 5at, we can potentially go past 155 (which is the governed limit for most sports cars now huh?) with more power?

MobTownTL

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thank god he bought a TL right? lol

greco9885

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wouldnt a BOV be alot safer? i know sometimes some asshole will cut me off and the throttle will close. isnt it just worth having it?

we dyno'd a m3 today with 326/243....talk about torque deprived. only thing the m3 has going is the DCT tranny which is unbelieveable, but it still cant compare to the SMG, but the DCT will actually last longer than 30k miles