Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
06-17-2009, 01:22 PM
#1123
IHC, thanks for answering my questions. But since Pass (or someone in this thread) said aftermarket Catback exhaust is recommended, why is that? I just want to know what to buy prior for this turbo so when I get this turbo (when fully tested and reliable) that I have everything necessaary to "sustain" this beast!
06-17-2009, 01:55 PM
#1124
Burning Brakes
hey thanks for putting this list together for , it's helping me out in such a big way ,rest assure kit will be released no guessing about that ,why 6-8 months revisions testing and then evalution , then production ... And as soon as I even get idea on pricing I'll break the news....................would be nice for vendors to help with this project keep it in the family...... Regarding emmision I would have to install a third cat test it and c results .. I'll be looking into that as time progresses ......I'll try tochexk in regular to answer any quetions...... But im confident I hate cars will clear up any questions or concern .....we might have to put him on the payroll when one become available , cause I haven't seen one in so long I forgot what it feels like recieving one LOL ...
06-17-2009, 02:13 PM
#1126
Team Owner
IHC, thanks for answering my questions. But since Pass (or someone in this thread) said aftermarket Catback exhaust is recommended, why is that? I just want to know what to buy prior for this turbo so when I get this turbo (when fully tested and reliable) that I have everything necessaary to "sustain" this beast!
You now have a downpipe coming off the turbo and going under the car. From there back, that would be considered the cat back portion.
You can run a cat after the turbo but it will hurt spool and power. Even the aftermarket high flow cats will kill spool and it's pointless because the car won't come close to passing without the precats.
On a turbo car, you don't have to worry about backpressure because the turbo generates plenty of it. You want a very free flowing exhaust after the turbo. The better it flows, the quicker it spools, more power it makes, and you can actually make boost at a lower rpm. You could run an 8" exhaust with no power related downsides.
06-17-2009, 03:01 PM
#1127
Burning Brakes
I know i have to start a new thread for this but thought I would mention it ... I've just got the go ahead to arrange a dyno day here in south florida location would be in lauderhill ... Terms are I have to have 30+ people then it would be a go and pulls would only cost $30 yes not a typo , and yes it doesn't have to be a Tl u can bring dads s65 if u wish 
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06-17-2009, 03:30 PM
#1129
No chance, not even close.
This is best done on the newer TLs since we have 6 years until the first smog is due.
Just keep the old parts, you can probably leave the turbo as is and bolt up the old exhaust. Shouldn't be too bad. Figure in half a day's work every two years after then initial 6 years.
This is best done on the newer TLs since we have 6 years until the first smog is due.
Just keep the old parts, you can probably leave the turbo as is and bolt up the old exhaust. Shouldn't be too bad. Figure in half a day's work every two years after then initial 6 years.
But in relation to the turbo, there's no need to have Pre-Cat Deletes as there will be a custom downpipe in their place.
1 was posted a couple pages back. It and it's sister video are also on YouTube under Turbo TL as june 039 & june039.
06-17-2009, 04:28 PM
#1131
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Do you think bolting up the stock 3rd Cat. temporarily would help attempt to pass the emissions?
Yes, there is a way to have the Pre-Cat Deletes without the engine light.
But in relation to the turbo, there's no need to have Pre-Cat Deletes as there will be a custom downpipe in their place.
1 was posted a couple pages back. It and it's sister video are also on YouTube under Turbo TL as june 039 & june039.
Yes, there is a way to have the Pre-Cat Deletes without the engine light.
But in relation to the turbo, there's no need to have Pre-Cat Deletes as there will be a custom downpipe in their place.
1 was posted a couple pages back. It and it's sister video are also on YouTube under Turbo TL as june 039 & june039.
06-17-2009, 04:42 PM
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06-17-2009, 05:59 PM
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ok so let me sum it up and please correct me if am wrong.....
3rd Cat:
If you have a 3rd CAT or High Flow 3rd CAT, it will kill the turbo spool.....and you wont pass emissions anyway....so why have it.....
PreCats:
Turbo has its own inlet and outlet....so you wont have precats (CORRECT ME HERE)......
JPIPE:
Since the turbo has it own outlets, it doesnt need a Jpipe.
So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
3rd Cat:
If you have a 3rd CAT or High Flow 3rd CAT, it will kill the turbo spool.....and you wont pass emissions anyway....so why have it.....
PreCats:
Turbo has its own inlet and outlet....so you wont have precats (CORRECT ME HERE)......
JPIPE:
Since the turbo has it own outlets, it doesnt need a Jpipe.
So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
06-17-2009, 06:10 PM
#1135
Team Owner
ok so let me sum it up and please correct me if am wrong.....
3rd Cat:
If you have a 3rd CAT or High Flow 3rd CAT, it will kill the turbo spool.....and you wont pass emissions anyway....so why have it.....
PreCats:
Turbo has its own inlet and outlet....so you wont have precats (CORRECT ME HERE)......
JPIPE:
Since the turbo has it own outlets, it doesnt need a Jpipe.
So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
3rd Cat:
If you have a 3rd CAT or High Flow 3rd CAT, it will kill the turbo spool.....and you wont pass emissions anyway....so why have it.....
PreCats:
Turbo has its own inlet and outlet....so you wont have precats (CORRECT ME HERE)......
JPIPE:
Since the turbo has it own outlets, it doesnt need a Jpipe.
So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
Pretty close.
Exhaust exits the engine on either side and merges together at the turbo to power the turbo. That eliminates cats or precat deletes. Instead of the exhaust going straight down under the car and into the j-pipe where it merges, it's now going in the direction of the battery and merging at the turbo.
Then it goes through the turbo and out the downpipe. At this point all the exhaust is exiting from one pipe. Once it gets under the car it's your choice to run a single 3" all the way back or split it at some point into dual 2.5".
In short, the uppipe (feed to the turbo) takes the place of cats or deletes and the turbo itself sort of takes the place of the j-pipe merging the two banks together.
06-17-2009, 07:14 PM
#1136
I think he meant catback as a generic term.
You now have a downpipe coming off the turbo and going under the car. From there back, that would be considered the cat back portion.
You can run a cat after the turbo but it will hurt spool and power. Even the aftermarket high flow cats will kill spool and it's pointless because the car won't come close to passing without the precats.
On a turbo car, you don't have to worry about backpressure because the turbo generates plenty of it. You want a very free flowing exhaust after the turbo. The better it flows, the quicker it spools, more power it makes, and you can actually make boost at a lower rpm. You could run an 8" exhaust with no power related downsidee s.
You now have a downpipe coming off the turbo and going under the car. From there back, that would be considered the cat back portion.
You can run a cat after the turbo but it will hurt spool and power. Even the aftermarket high flow cats will kill spool and it's pointless because the car won't come close to passing without the precats.
On a turbo car, you don't have to worry about backpressure because the turbo generates plenty of it. You want a very free flowing exhaust after the turbo. The better it flows, the quicker it spools, more power it makes, and you can actually make boost at a lower rpm. You could run an 8" exhaust with no power related downsidee s.
06-17-2009, 07:25 PM
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am sorry IHC, I was being a little lazy 
I should have just searched for a diagram....anyway here is something everyone can use
but i think this dude does have precats and cats !!!
I should have just searched for a diagram....anyway here is something everyone can use
but i think this dude does have precats and cats !!!
06-17-2009, 07:38 PM
#1140
I know, huh.
That sounds a lot easier said than done. 
Great diagram.
As for the cats, that's the factory setup, thus I would imagine they designed to have space for them to be there with the turbo.
As for the cats, that's the factory setup, thus I would imagine they designed to have space for them to be there with the turbo.
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06-17-2009, 08:24 PM
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[QUOTE=Rick_TL-S;11019330]Quote:
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So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
That sounds a lot easier said than done.
Exactly. I mean it's ok if you have mechanical knowledge and you can do this yourself. If you have to bring it in to the shop and they are going to charge $1000 to uninstall and reinstall it so you can pass inspection it doesn't make much sense to me.
I love the idea of the turbo and the power relative to the S/C but I think people have to take a close look at this issue before they spend their money and realize the cost and hassle they will have to live with.
Originally Posted by swoosh
So you get your inspection done....buy and install the turbo.....if your engine and tranny is still alive after 2 years......take turbo off.....get emission done.....and hook the turbo back on !!!
That sounds a lot easier said than done.
Exactly. I mean it's ok if you have mechanical knowledge and you can do this yourself. If you have to bring it in to the shop and they are going to charge $1000 to uninstall and reinstall it so you can pass inspection it doesn't make much sense to me.
I love the idea of the turbo and the power relative to the S/C but I think people have to take a close look at this issue before they spend their money and realize the cost and hassle they will have to live with.
06-17-2009, 08:30 PM
#1143
Team Owner
That drawing is complicated lol. Looks more like an inline or flat setup.
06-17-2009, 08:56 PM
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06-17-2009, 10:50 PM
#1147
practicing nihilist
I had one random 02 code over 5K+ miles on RV6 pre-cat deletes. However, recently installed the 3.5L 2" IM spacer and have a constant P0137/2207 code. Cleared twice and keeps popping.
06-17-2009, 11:19 PM
#1149
practicing nihilist
they're 02 sensor lean codes. I've been in the IM before and I installed everything correctly and used loctite. You can't install gaskets incorrectly - they will only line up one way with the stud pattern. I've had a couple sets of ears and hands in there while reving the engine and there's no leaks. It kinda makes sense with the pre-cat defoulers and the super free breathing intake. Just ran the car at the track tonight. It's running very good.
06-17-2009, 11:43 PM
#1150
they're 02 sensor lean codes. I've been in the IM before and I installed everything correctly and used loctite. You can't install gaskets incorrectly - they will only line up one way with the stud pattern. I've had a couple sets of ears and hands in there while reving the engine and there's no leaks. It kinda makes sense with the pre-cat defoulers and the super free breathing intake. Just ran the car at the track tonight. It's running very good.
06-18-2009, 10:15 AM
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A J35A8 EG civic is in
06-18-2009, 10:38 AM
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06-18-2009, 10:45 AM
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A J35A8 EG civic is in
so it should be in that area of pricing
06-18-2009, 10:56 AM
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Former Whyner
Yes thanks, I would say I could get somewhere from 700-900 for my E-shift procats and the J-pipe.
06-19-2009, 08:21 AM
#1158
Hey pass, when we gonna see some more vids of the TL in action.....personally I'd like to see a launch video (both in and out of the car) and maybe a few rolling start videos (both in and out of the car). In my mind the dyno video is just a teaser.....let's see this thing in action!!!
06-19-2009, 09:23 AM
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Hey pass, when we gonna see some more vids of the TL in action.....personally I'd like to see a launch video (both in and out of the car) and maybe a few rolling start videos (both in and out of the car). In my mind the dyno video is just a teaser.....let's see this thing in action!!!
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this thing has gotten me thinking hard !!!!!! I do want a turbo....who doesnt
but I am really afraid of other expenses like :axles/fuel pump/engine rock (even thow I have Innovative Mounts) / I just dont wanna go ahead and spend money every time i hit the gas HARD !!!!
IHC/Banabela/Pass/ please enlighten me on this !!!
but I am really afraid of other expenses like :axles/fuel pump/engine rock (even thow I have Innovative Mounts) / I just dont wanna go ahead and spend money every time i hit the gas HARD !!!!
IHC/Banabela/Pass/ please enlighten me on this !!!