race4ed

, so wats good for the TL? lol

sunny201

He doesnt have a TL

NVA-AV6.. Whats the difference between your J35 and the TL-S J35? Or are you using a standalone ECU for that to turbo it?

NedShneebly

I think the kid in post #27 of this thread can help you guys crack this code https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...1#post10912258

Oh, he's got the most powerful TL on the forum. I think it's the chip.

NVA-AV6

There really isn't that much different in the engines between the 3rd gen TL and 7th gen AV6, they share all the same sensors and most of the engine internals are interchangeable other than the pistons (TL is a 89mm bore the AV6 is a 86mm bore, both share the same stroke, head castings, valve and springs until you get to the 07+ TL-S), so anything done for the engine/ECU for the 7th gen can be done to the TL and vise-versa.

As far as the management of this AV6 the plan is to use a FIC8 unless something better comes along....

Kennedy

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You completely missed my point. I'm aware of the displacement differences between the RDX and TL, that doesn't mean it should be discounted as an approach to solving this problem. Please reread my post above. Nothing I'm talking about is PnP, we're talking desoldering IC chips, reading hex data, reprogramming, and reloading certain files, then resoldering... not to mention other wiring changes and what not.

My point was that the RDX ECU is likely a completely different ECU platform, already setup for controlling a turbo'd engine, and might be a more workable option to begin "cracking".

It's unfortunate because it seems the guy who knows most about these things has stated he's likely gonna have to run multiple piggyback systems to make this work... and the more complicated the tuning, the less likely it'll be:
1) "good"
2) repeatable
3) sellable

Until someone can create a mail in ECU reflash like Hondata, APR, etc, or a piggyback that can defeat the closed loop, and deal with dbw (and other limitations), this is never going to come to market. I've about given up on a properly turbo'd J series...

Like I stated earlier, the plumping and fabrication is the easy part...

NedShneebly

the thing thats got me perplexed is the brick wall itself. Did Honda purposely design it to thwart FI or is it simply that Motorola won't play ball?

I read somewhere that we should start seeing more attention to performance apps now that the TL is being offered in the JDM - albeit, new generation model.

pass427

As far as cracking Ecu from what I've read thru out thread, doesn't look possible for now...but as far as getting Tl tuned on a fic shouldn't be a problem , + Av6 already has it figured out as far as wiring It properly so it doesn't keep throwing a cel..+ Im sure if he didn't think it could be done he wouldn't be building a 700 hp beast....

Turbo_Kid

hold on. thus far all i heard is that some of the piggybacks wont work well with the TL's crank sensor setup. besides that one issue piggybacks (like MAPECU2) can do all of the closed loop intervention as needed. so why not tackle the crank sensor issue and throw a good piggyback at it. seems much easier than what some are suggesting to unsolder chips (which are most likely surface mount IC's), thats just asking for trouble, etc.

Kennedy

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wideband 02

and I'm not saying desolder chips the right approach, just AN approach. Native ECU tuning is always better... simpler, integrated, no additional systems to fail... etc.

I hate cars

It's interesting, I've talked to the guys that made the old Felpro FAST standalone and the MOTEC guys and all agree that a stanalone will never offer the degree of drivability as a stock ECM.

The reason I highly suggest a standalone is it's much safer for the engine, especially as hp levels rise.

Turbo_Kid

what about wideband O2? this is exactly the same on Toyota, and PMR has a module that handles it.

and yes, simpler is better, but is typically thought of when designing from scratch. i dont see how reverse engineering the oem ECM and messing with the board and chips could be simpler than adding a piggyback. much of the variables should be accessible from the CAN port, question is if the embedded code will be flexible enough to handle FI requirements. from a tuning perspective using the oem ECM alone will not work (well, maybe if you stay under a max boost level. however, being boost limited by the controller means a new controller is needed).

subsonicman

We keep talking about the same thing over and over again. I have learned everything there is to know about the 3.5L ECU, for the TL the Accord, And the RL. We currently have a 321hp + TL Type S. the cool thing about this Type S, is boost is its only performance upgrade.

anyway. Why dont you plug in the CT Engineering ACM, and drive the car already. You will not be successful running a piggy back set up, unless you run all new sensors, and spend way more money then you need to, to only run 6 pounds of boost. Block learned will handle the addition of boost, and will retard the timing. Trust me, we have done it.
If your AF's are unsafe, add RSX type s stock injectors

ussi

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Really?! When you going to have a solid reflash of some sort or tuning info other than increasing injector pulses...put that knowledge to use!

I think they're talking about turbo.

race4ed

They are talking abouut SUPERCHARGER whicH they have in a TL TYPE-S. its custom and the first

chill_dog

He knows that...that was his point. This is the turbo thread, not the SC thread. So unless subsonicman was inferring they should use the CT ACM with the turbo application, his comment about the CT ACM doesn't apply here.

ussi

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I know, I was talking about this thread.

xoulu

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so 14 pages and still no turbo kit??!

im disapointed!!!

less talk more action!

if only i wasnt in alaska.... =( i would take my car to a shop

pass427

[QUOTE=xoulu;10921133]so 14 pages and still no turbo kit??!

im disapointed!!!

less talk more action!

if only i wasnt in alaska.... =( i would take my car to a show

Boomslang harness was shipped Tuesday or Wednesday morning from Av6 , an update will be given as soon as it get back to us ...... No dissappointment just patience...

xoulu

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alright cant wait! thanks for update!

NVA-AV6

[QUOTE=pass427;10921244]Tuesday afternoon....

sunny201

Sounds good. Any idea of when your taking it to the dyno again?

pass427

Once the harness gets in my hand I'll have a date ..I can't wait either

04accordcpe

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sunny201

Thanks for keeping us updated, unlike the OP. Hope everything goes great and good luck.

race4ed

ive might have missed this but what clutch are you guys running on, in that turbo TL??

stillhere153

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rumors are they are making a custom one

Elegant TYPE S

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This is for "I Hate Cars" Haha:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvA-qkRZWag

I hate cars

LOL. That's me in the TL with the girlfriend filming.

bzyrice

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It is a clutch made by competition. he is testing it out.. he has over 2000 miles on it now. It will be available to the public when the turbo kit is hopefully done.

bzyrice

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lol .. didnt even look like the TL was even trying haha..

sunny201

Was that your GN too? lol. Those things are sweet.. You have any videos of your GN? ... and why is it that every single GN Ive ever seen is black? lol

Rick_TL-S

That's because all '84+ Grand Nationals were painted black to my understanding. I don't know about the 1982 models though.

I hate cars

That was a friend of mine. Factory stock engine. Turbo and fuel system upgrade. Running 24psi. I had the honor of tuning that one and taking it's mod virginity. Mine beats on that one badly, I've run him many times and with mine at 15psi it's a close race from a roll but from a stop mine annihilates that car. You figure the difference between a mid 11 second car like the one in the video and a mid 10 second car is well over 10 carlengths, it's pretty bad.

NedShneebly

damn! mid 11's with a turbo/fuel system upgrade! how are they reliability wise?

oh, and still curious if they only came in black?

I hate cars

All of them were black, all have nearly the same options.

It's mid 11s with a turbo, injectors, fuel pump, chip, exhaust, K&N filter, and a used old school (not very efficient but cheap) intercooler. Roughly $1,300 for mid 11s. My friend wanted 11.99s with a budget of $1,500 so he's pretty happy right now. Actually forgot the $400 for the methanol.

I did the very first mod to this car at 60,000 miles it's approaching 120,000 and dead ass reliable. They'll go into the mid-upper 10s on the factory stock engine with nothing but bolt-ons but you have to be on top of your game tuning wise and 10.8-11.0 is where you want to stop if you need it to get you to work and back reliably. At 11.60s, this thing isn't breaking a sweat and with the way the owner drives it, this was my stopping point.

Elegant TYPE S

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^ Dam now that budget modding right there! Talk about dollar to HP ratio. What's the stock specs it comes with out of factory?

I hate cars

14.0-13.6 100-103mph is the normal range. With the GNX doing 13.3@105mph and 0-60 in 4.7 stock. It was pretty cool in the 80s when no V6 powered cars were fast and the Vette of the day was a mid 14s car.

For about $200 you can get one into the 12s if you do the work yourself.

However, you can see by the mph that cars have advanced. Take a manual transmission TL-S and a stock GN from a roll, especially above 80mph and the TL would have a fighting chance. Off the start, the stock 355lbs of torque gets it moving pretty quickly. With the awesome torque and well hooking suspension, mine gets off the line as good or better than some of the AWD cars.

stillhere153

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grand nationals will always be a ricers nightmare...

I hate cars

Yeah, but it sucks because the imports hate them and the domestic V8 crowd hate them. There was a big uprising from the muscle car crowd when they termed it a muscle car back in the 80s because according to them a V6 can't be a muscle car lol. Then when the '89 turbo Trans AM came out, the Pontiac purists protested it being called a Trans-Am because it had a V6, even though it was a full second faster than the V8 powered GTA and Corvette at the time.

Going to Sonic on the weekends with the hood up, I've had to endure countless mean comments about the engine from the Chevy, Ford, and Viper crowd. It didn't matter how well it ran, the night I destroyed the Viper GTS with $700 in mods no one would give me any sort of credit. Everyone was convinced I had $20,000 in the engine and of course if you did that to a V8 it would be faster. Their feelings would've been hurt if they knew it was a tired 200,000 mile factory engine with a few bolt-ons.

Sorry for the rant, it's bringing back old memories.

I hate cars

This is a perfect example of why I like them. Loud ass Vette getting beat by a quiet family car.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVLXRESJnVQ