Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
#5321
Team Owner
I'm only guessing but if they advertise hollow shafts for the TL-S, are the regular shafts solid? If they're both the same diameter, any chance you can substitute the hollow for solid shafts? The gears will take a lot more torque without shaft deflection.
Fwiw, shafts would be one of the easier parts to get made in the aftermarket. I can't see it taking more than a day.
Another good resource might be the supercharged guy who has been through a ton of 6mts. I can't remember his name right now but he probably has a lot of experience.
Fwiw, shafts would be one of the easier parts to get made in the aftermarket. I can't see it taking more than a day.
Another good resource might be the supercharged guy who has been through a ton of 6mts. I can't remember his name right now but he probably has a lot of experience.
#5322
Team Owner
#5325
18psi
iTrader: (7)
You do know you can cast steel right? And I never said cast iron.
And saying they're high strength doesn't mean they're forged or high strength.
I know for a fact they are not as high strength as they seem.
I had second gear replace twice, third and fourth once, and a new differential.
Bottom line is the gears need to go, and good ones need to be put in place
And saying they're high strength doesn't mean they're forged or high strength.
I know for a fact they are not as high strength as they seem.
I had second gear replace twice, third and fourth once, and a new differential.
Bottom line is the gears need to go, and good ones need to be put in place
I agree the gears need to be upgraded but who will be the one to take the plunge and be the guinea pig?
regular base shafts are hollow as well.
#5326
Safety Car
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It's probably going to take people who are willing to invest a non-trival amount of money and then wait. Sound familiar?
Like I said, Rodney told me that Kikazz was going to have him work on the 6MT because he knew that his build was going to ravage it. I think you are going to be at similar levels as he was but from what it looked like from the outside, he had deep pockets.
Like I said, Rodney told me that Kikazz was going to have him work on the 6MT because he knew that his build was going to ravage it. I think you are going to be at similar levels as he was but from what it looked like from the outside, he had deep pockets.
Last edited by KN_TL; 02-28-2012 at 05:40 PM.
#5327
18psi
iTrader: (7)
It's probably going to take people who are willing to invest a non-trival amount of money and then wait. Sound familiar?
Like I said, Rodney told me that Kikazz was going to have him work on the 6MT because he knew that his build was going to ravage it. I think you are going to be at similar levels as he was but from what it looked like from the outside, he had deep pockets.
Like I said, Rodney told me that Kikazz was going to have him work on the 6MT because he knew that his build was going to ravage it. I think you are going to be at similar levels as he was but from what it looked like from the outside, he had deep pockets.
I looked real quick at some places that can make straight gears but they said they want a new transmission sent to them and would need it for 6 months.
I would throw a couple grand at this project but I highly doubt thats going to be enough
#5328
Safety Car
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Ah, he told me he didn't have the time to waste on being patient. Easy come easy go.......
I think 2G's will get you a deposit from what I was gathering. The estimate at the time was around 3.5-4G's.
What would a new complete 6mt cost?
I think 2G's will get you a deposit from what I was gathering. The estimate at the time was around 3.5-4G's.
What would a new complete 6mt cost?
Last edited by KN_TL; 02-28-2012 at 07:19 PM.
#5331
Team Owner
#5332
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
iTrader: (3)
what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?
I always wondered. Would using the starter or gear from a J32 ever work on a J35 for this issue? When CM had the Accord/TL problems with the ring gear, I never heard if anyone looked at that. I thought everyone said it was solely a tooth count and the diameter was the same.
CM and stock gear comparison
ive expressed concerns regarding our 6mt's for years now.
5-6 broken gear sets, couple final drive gears, syncros, etc,.. over the past 5 years.
broken LSD's,
the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 02-29-2012 at 02:07 AM.
#5333
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
04!
#5334
1st 3g Turbo TL-S
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Was trying to pm u but your box is full!
Pm me when its clear and I'll share
Well I had the CM, its a POS. Went stock with p2r, didn't last long at all. So now its tilt on twin disc time.
Thank u for further reinforcing the gtfo gears idea
Realistically I think for big power a new tranny all together will need to be built.
I don't think there's going to be room for heavier gears. Even still the previous concern is whether not the case can handle it, which is a big gamble.
Pm me when its clear and I'll share
havent been here like forever, but ive been doing a little catching up.
what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?
the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$
what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?
the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$
Thank u for further reinforcing the gtfo gears idea
Realistically I think for big power a new tranny all together will need to be built.
I don't think there's going to be room for heavier gears. Even still the previous concern is whether not the case can handle it, which is a big gamble.
#5335
Team Owner
havent been here like forever, but ive been doing a little catching up.
what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?
tooth count AND diameter compared to the stock unit were both different.
CM and stock gear comparison
ive expressed concerns regarding our 6mt's for years now.
5-6 broken gear sets, couple final drive gears, syncros, etc,.. over the past 5 years.
broken LSD's,
the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$
what kind of problems are you having with the ring gear? are you running the CM aasco lwfw? or?
tooth count AND diameter compared to the stock unit were both different.
CM and stock gear comparison
ive expressed concerns regarding our 6mt's for years now.
5-6 broken gear sets, couple final drive gears, syncros, etc,.. over the past 5 years.
broken LSD's,
the only real solution is to dump all the gears PERIOD and start from scratch. cryo treating is not an option IMO. custom straight cut gears and a strong non-helical type LSD is in order. doable, but big $$$$$$$$$
Good so see you on here again. You are the one I was referring to above but I can never remember your username.
Was there any pattern to the failures like wheelhop? If I remember right, a lot of yours were broken while at the road course which shouldn't be that terribly hard on the gears.
Anyway, your input is always appreciated, you've probably had more forced induction J series experience than anyone.
I do agree though. Straight cut gears. If any of you guys are interested, I can talk to my old boss who not only builds engines (holds a couple world records) but also makes anything he needs with a full CNC machine shop that he owns and is the only employee. He's got a 5 axis machine which I think would not only make helical cut gears but straight cut should be easy. Shafts would be child's play. It would require a donor transmission though. I would highly suggest trying solid shafts first and then going straight cut.
#5336
Team Owner
#5338
347hp/300tq @ 4psi
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Good so see you on here again. You are the one I was referring to above but I can never remember your username.
Was there any pattern to the failures like wheelhop? If I remember right, a lot of yours were broken while at the road course which shouldn't be that terribly hard on the gears.
Was there any pattern to the failures like wheelhop? If I remember right, a lot of yours were broken while at the road course which shouldn't be that terribly hard on the gears.
but heres the kicker, all the transmission failures (beside the LSD mishap)happened on every day normal driving conditions. the tranmission i am currently running on, i bought with over 100k+ miles and by far is the most reliable one till this day *knock on wood*.. one HUGE thing to note, this is the only one i have ran with genuine honda gear oil from the getgo, rather than the gmc SMFM. im really starting to second guess that stuff and think its way to thin to run reliably in our type of transmissions.
@ Xiomaro, were you also running the gmc stuff at the time of your failures also??
depends which tranmssion you are speaking of. in the beginning i was at 306whp/260tq, on my j30a4. eventually i swapped for a j32a3 and at the very end, i was at 348whp/300tq. i sold my entire SC setup last november though and back to good ol' NA :/
Last edited by 04accordcpe; 03-01-2012 at 02:09 AM.
#5339
18psi
iTrader: (7)
Lots of guys like redline and torco. Amsoil is up there also
With redline its mainly the lightweight shockproof but im going to try redline's mtl first.
redline mtl
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=45&pcid=7
redline lightweight shockproof
http://www.redlineoil.com/product.aspx?pid=43&pcid=8
Torco RTF on the other hand has peaked my interest a little. I know hondas MTF is equivalent to a 5w/10w30 and torco's RTF says it falls within that category but I think it may be too thick....but what do i know
http://www.torcousa.com/torco_product/rtf.html
All i know is I wanted a 100% synthetic and GMs synchromesh is a semi-synth
#5340
1st 3g Turbo TL-S
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[QUOTE=04accordcpe
@ Xiomaro, were you also running the gmc stuff at the time of your failures also??
depends which tranmssion you are speaking of. in the beginning i was at 306whp/260tq, on my j30a4. eventually i swapped for a j32a3 and at the very end, i was at 348whp/300tq. i sold my entire SC setup last november though and back to good ol' NA :/[/QUOTE]
Yes I was actually. I don't see how that fluid would cause a mass failure though
@ Xiomaro, were you also running the gmc stuff at the time of your failures also??
depends which tranmssion you are speaking of. in the beginning i was at 306whp/260tq, on my j30a4. eventually i swapped for a j32a3 and at the very end, i was at 348whp/300tq. i sold my entire SC setup last november though and back to good ol' NA :/[/QUOTE]
Yes I was actually. I don't see how that fluid would cause a mass failure though
#5343
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Only a matter of time.
#5344
Team Owner
Looks like the previous owner needed more practice driving a manual. Chips on the leading edge of each gear is usually from a misshift. It might or might not hurt torque capacity.
#5345
Team Owner
I'm on a party bus on the way to Vegas so the pics are kind of hard to see but the synchros look pretty worn in one of those pictures.
#5346
Chapter Leader (Southern Region)
Dammit.. I'll be there in 5 days.. I'm expecting to find you under some bus bench off the strip
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#5351
Team Owner
Agreed bad synchros or an owner that needs driving lessons. If you look at the wear pattern, the edge chips seem to be clear of where the gears mesh when fully engaged so he might be able to run it as is.... after filing down the rough edge where cracks can form.
I've had great luck bead blasting gears for reliability and it's cheap, something that anyone can do themselves.
I've had great luck bead blasting gears for reliability and it's cheap, something that anyone can do themselves.
#5352
18psi
iTrader: (7)
since i didnt have a press or the tools to disassemble the shafts, im not cryo treating anything.
those type-s gears only had 28k miles on them according to the owner. might have been his first m/t car if those chips are from mis-shifts lol
gears are in florida with a 04 trans getting inspected and assembled
those type-s gears only had 28k miles on them according to the owner. might have been his first m/t car if those chips are from mis-shifts lol
gears are in florida with a 04 trans getting inspected and assembled
#5354
Burning Brakes
^^ judging your Trans it had an issue before even hearing the word turbo ,judging weve seen upwards of 500lb tq on those Trans ,and even on mine which was abused rather than babied Around ......
#5355
Team Owner
Any chance of bead blasting the gears before assembly? It's free if you can find a place to allow you to do it yourself or very cheap if you pay someone. It can *slightly* stress relieve the gears but mostly it will lower the demands on the oil.
#5358
Safety Car
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What's the word on your swap? It's been quiet.
I always wanted a street bike but I know I'd get myself in trouble. Every time I think I am going to go for one, I see a trauma show where a biker took a dump. Just watched one where there dude lost both hands and one foot after a crash.
I always wanted a street bike but I know I'd get myself in trouble. Every time I think I am going to go for one, I see a trauma show where a biker took a dump. Just watched one where there dude lost both hands and one foot after a crash.
#5359
Team Owner
Wow Bert, be careful out there. I know a guy that races bikes and is an instructor but won't ride one on the street because of the unknowns and typical bad drivers.