Turbo Kit for Acura TL '04-'08
#5041
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Hey guys, Im the "mystery contender", I actually have an 04 MT but its gonna be close to a type S once its done (hopefully by next month at the latest!) My Tuner said I should break 600 WHP no problem with my setup, im in Denver, CO so that number will be higher at sea level. I will give the full details once its all done but for now its a 04 MT with Type S tranny, J&R turbo kit & ECU; the block isnt stock and will be similar to libert's build.
#5042
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Did you upgrade the sleeves or are you running stock cylinders? I'm just wondering what the next weak link is, I'm guessing cylinder walk.
#5043
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sleeve it..
IHC.. so.. did you race that Supra?
IHC.. so.. did you race that Supra?
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damn i cant believe my eyes....600horses on a TL....that is pure fucking AWESOME...
all hail Rodney
all hail Rodney
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can someone explain what "sleeving" and engine/cylinder is ?
any links for more reading ?
any links for more reading ?
#5049
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Nice! Was the MS3 installed at the time of the videos?
Ill be doing a little work on my beast this weekend as well. The new pump is in, and I finally have the replacement battery in. It's amazing how much quieter the Aeromotive 340lph pump is compared to the Walbro 255.
Rodney, the new pump took care of the fuel bleed off issues. It's now several minutes before the fuel pressure drops to 0. I'll get you some videos tomorrow evening so that you can get an idea as to what it's doing. I'll probably ping you via email at some point during the afternoon as well to get the idle sorted out.
So now that we've got some of the bigger builds coming together, when are we going to have a turbo TL shin dig?![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Ill be doing a little work on my beast this weekend as well. The new pump is in, and I finally have the replacement battery in. It's amazing how much quieter the Aeromotive 340lph pump is compared to the Walbro 255.
Rodney, the new pump took care of the fuel bleed off issues. It's now several minutes before the fuel pressure drops to 0. I'll get you some videos tomorrow evening so that you can get an idea as to what it's doing. I'll probably ping you via email at some point during the afternoon as well to get the idle sorted out.
So now that we've got some of the bigger builds coming together, when are we going to have a turbo TL shin dig?
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#5051
Burning Brakes
Kn no worries you know I'm always here for you man ,we can go to the aeromotive if you park the car thru out the holiday just send me the assembly back or I can get one out to you no worries ...
#5052
Burning Brakes
Aww, c'mon! It's not that far. At least I didn't say KS or something. ![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
Any word on what happened to kikazz's motor and trans? I know he had it listed for a while and had a few interested parties. No word after that though.
Update for Rodney... I got the motor up and running again over the weekend. The idle is smooth as silk, but it needs a lot more work on the rest of the map. I think it's finally time to start talking with my tuner about getting it on the rollers and see what she'll do. I never got a chance to get you any videos because we were just too concerned about watching all the gauges and making last minute adjustments. No DTC's on any of the car's systems so that's a huge bonus as well.![Smile](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif)
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Any word on what happened to kikazz's motor and trans? I know he had it listed for a while and had a few interested parties. No word after that though.
Update for Rodney... I got the motor up and running again over the weekend. The idle is smooth as silk, but it needs a lot more work on the rest of the map. I think it's finally time to start talking with my tuner about getting it on the rollers and see what she'll do. I never got a chance to get you any videos because we were just too concerned about watching all the gauges and making last minute adjustments. No DTC's on any of the car's systems so that's a huge bonus as well.
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#5053
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Axles isn't an issue I can have them build asap to handle 1000 whp ,as far as trans goes if we start destructing them we will push and get gears for them as we have myself ,Bmeyer,skier4lyfe303 ,Kn ect with all us put together I'm sure I can get a few sets build ...
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Hey guys, Im the "mystery contender", I actually have an 04 MT but its gonna be close to a type S once its done (hopefully by next month at the latest!) My Tuner said I should break 600 WHP no problem with my setup, im in Denver, CO so that number will be higher at sea level. I will give the full details once its all done but for now its a 04 MT with Type S tranny, J&R turbo kit & ECU; the block isnt stock and will be similar to libert's build.
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#5057
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#5060
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Not only does the iron wear much slower, it's stronger as well. "Sleeving" as used in here usually means boring the stock sleeves out, boring the aluminum cylinder larger (and thinner) and inserting a thicker iron sleeve with the same inner diameter.
When cylinder pressures start to climb such as in a high power turbo engine, the cylinders can flex, causing a bad ring seal or worst case, they can crack. The thicker sleeve not only ensures it won't break, it can give a better ring seal under high power which will mean a few more hp, and without the flexing and distortion can mean less wear to the rings and cylinders.
The other area to mention is open deck vs closed deck. The J series uses an open deck. Supposedly better cooling but not as strong, especially in boosted engines.
In an open deck, the cylinders are supported near the main webbing at the bottom of the cylinder and they're basically unsupported except from the bottom. The heads basically help clamp everything down. What you end up with under high power is the cylinders walking around and you end up with anything from blown head gaskets to broken/flexing cylinders.
Closed deck is where the cylinders are also supported at the top of the block all cast as one piece. It greatly increases cylinder stability. Some say it can hurt cooling, I've never seen much of a difference. There are inserts you can buy for some engines that actually close in the deck to strengthen and stabilize everything. I would highly recommend this if you're running a lot of power on stock sleeves.
I don't know if Honda runs the cylinders a little higher than the deck to increase the clamping force from the heads. It's pretty normal when sleeving an engine to leave the sleeves above the deck and machining them down leaving them a few thousandths of an inch above the deck to get a better clamp from the heads and head gaskets.
Who knows where the J32 will break at. For all I know it might take 1,000hp on the stock cylinders and an open deck setup. The one thing I would do if I were running stock sleeves and the open deck setup is pay even more attention to the tune. A little detonation at this power level will cause havoc in the cylinder area.
This is a big assumption but the 4 banger Hondas seem to take a good amount of power on stock cylinders. ASSuming the J32 is just as well built, 100hp per cylinder is not *that* bad compared to what some of the 4 cylinder guys are running.
The exceptions to sleeved aluminum are the Nikasil coated aluminum cylinders by Porsche and whatever Mercedes versions are called. Maybe more use the coating now, I don't know. I don't really keep up with this stuff because I use mostly iron block engines or iron sleeved aluminum.
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^^^ you kidding me....
that was a great explanation for a :noob: like me
that was a great explanation for a :noob: like me
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The plan is to have them break the engine in right there on the dyno and then get a tune for pump gas. I'll also have them perform a leak-down test during the process. Then once it's home, I'll start piecing together the parts to make a flex fuel car out of it.
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#5066
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With that in mind ecu is your friend as there's an optional sensor that can be added to ecu which senses flex fuel and switches over to a flex fuel map in ecu that youd alreadyhave tuned
#5067
Exactly. From what I've read, the most popular sensor is made by GM and costs around $400-$500 depending on where you get it from. It says that it's an in-line sensor and that fuel must flow through it, which is what I'm concerned about. I need to find out the diameter of the inlet/outlet and determine if it's going to be a bottleneck for me. If it is, I may have to come up with a way to install it in a closed system and just circulate fuel through it.
#5068
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That's going to be nearly 1,200cc injectors
. I'm curious how they idle in a small cam car, I've only used something that big in big cam cars so the idle was already screwed up. So I guess the ECU will give you enough timing advance to run the E85?
I like E85 but I would give meth injection some consideration first. Either route is going to provide you with the means to break the 600whp mark but meth will be much cheaper and could give better drivability and mpg. Plus turbo spool will be a little slower on E85. It might not be enough to matter but sometimes it's an issue.
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I like E85 but I would give meth injection some consideration first. Either route is going to provide you with the means to break the 600whp mark but meth will be much cheaper and could give better drivability and mpg. Plus turbo spool will be a little slower on E85. It might not be enough to matter but sometimes it's an issue.
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That's going to be nearly 1,200cc injectors
. I'm curious how they idle in a small cam car, I've only used something that big in big cam cars so the idle was already screwed up. So I guess the ECU will give you enough timing advance to run the E85?
I like E85 but I would give meth injection some consideration first. Either route is going to provide you with the means to break the 600whp mark but meth will be much cheaper and could give better drivability and mpg. Plus turbo spool will be a little slower on E85. It might not be enough to matter but sometimes it's an issue.
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I like E85 but I would give meth injection some consideration first. Either route is going to provide you with the means to break the 600whp mark but meth will be much cheaper and could give better drivability and mpg. Plus turbo spool will be a little slower on E85. It might not be enough to matter but sometimes it's an issue.
I already have the AEM water/meth kit installed, but my tuner and I have concerns with basing a map off of it. With such a small reservoir tank, it doesn't give me much distance out of the car before I need to worry about replenishing my meth supply. From what I've heard, in colder climates (such as mine), people tend to lean towards the E85 side because of other flow problems. From what my tuner has seen, he said that the E85 guys outnumber the meth guys 50 to 1.
I still need to upgrade a couple of other parts yet, but I think my ultimate goal is in the neighborhood of 650 whp. It's solely for bragging rights and I know that I don't have a chance in hell of that kind of power ever hooking up on the street. I'm thinking I'll hit around 500 whp the first time around, then once I have these other systems sorted out, then I'll go for more. Honestly though, I'll just be happy to have the car running period. It's been down for over a year now and I'm ready to see the project end (for my wallet's sake lol). I can always tinker on it to make more power. It's getting it up and running in the first place that can be a challenge. Especially when SO many parts have changed.
#5071
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Hey guys, Im the "mystery contender", I actually have an 04 MT but its gonna be close to a type S once its done (hopefully by next month at the latest!) My Tuner said I should break 600 WHP no problem with my setup, im in Denver, CO so that number will be higher at sea level. I will give the full details once its all done but for now its a 04 MT with Type S tranny, J&R turbo kit & ECU; the block isnt stock and will be similar to libert's build.
I am very curious about who your tuner is here in Denver. Mind sharing?
Also, with this talk of a 600whp TL you have me glued to my screen.
How far along are you with the build?
Also, if you don't mind me asking, how much you spending on it?
I have been interested in this for awhile, and now new life has been given to my interest
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Its a shop called Speed Image, they do everything I know they owner and this is his first TL, even though he has done lots of other Hondas (his Integra was around 1000 WHP). The block is out in cali now getting sleeved, should be back my mid next week. And way too much!!!
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Its a shop called Speed Image, they do everything I know they owner and this is his first TL, even though he has done lots of other Hondas (his Integra was around 1000 WHP). The block is out in cali now getting sleeved, should be back my mid next week. And way too much!!!
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Just wanted to let people know that JnR is having a group buy for the ECU (pending Vendor status)
link here: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/group-buy-jnr-ecu-dynos-gains-12-23-%3B-prices-posted-1-7-a-841554/
link here: https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-performance-parts-modifications-112/group-buy-jnr-ecu-dynos-gains-12-23-%3B-prices-posted-1-7-a-841554/
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Since you're sleeving it, are you going to bump up the displacement as well? We've been waiting a while to see someone hit the 4.0L mark. Still no takers.