AltecBX

300 HP is a lot for any front wheel drive. The '07 TL will have around 280-285HP. They will introduce the SH-AWD to the '09, but not for the '07; if they do is to compete with sales of A4, G35AWD, and the 330xi. Once they have close to 300 HP, those ponies cannot be pushed through the front axle, no matter where the differential is located. At this point, is only logic that they move to AWD or develop a different platform for RWD. The only models with SH-AWD this year will be the RL, RDX (Jul-Aug), and the MDX (Oct). There is going to be a $43K RL for sale for ’07 as well.

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

Just my thoughts... but if our TL doesn't do something for the next year model, then I think it would be very hard to compete with other new cars such as Lexus IS 250/350, G35 seden (being changed dramatically for the next year model), and ultimate driving machines. I just don't think our TL matches its competitors today. I think the Acura will have to do something.......

mlody

It is Honda’s or Acura’s nature to not care about competition during the life of any car. Look at Nissan/Infinity/BMW/Audi? They always tweak their cars almost every year. Honda/Acura is very good at introducing a new car that is very competitive in the first and perhaps 2nd year, but they loose the edge as the car moves into 4th or 5th year. They always do some small things, which are very minor to keep the flow into dealerships, but nothing radical or noticeable to the majority of the public. I agree with many that it just makes not sense to add all the bells and whistles to the ’07 TL because it is only MMC refresh. I bet that the chances will be even smaller than what ’06 TSX received compared to ’05.
Acura will probably redesign the exterior a bit (front/rear bumper and side skirts), new wheels, perhaps different tail and head lamps. There is also a rumor that fog lights might be separate units like most cars instead of integrated into the headlamp. On the inside, they will just tweak the dashboard; refresh gauges, perhaps different color shades for the interior (new carbon fiber, wood, aluminum look), more options to customize for driver 1 and 2, newer NAVI.
These are all my speculation, but only time will tell what happens in the ’07 with TL.

03CoupeV6

As noted right under your original post, this is the RSX's last year. I am well aware the RSX-S still exists. Honda is killing it off to move upmarket. At least to me, having a version of cars called "Type-S" seems to bring the brand image down. Honda did say that the Type-S moniker would be gone* (*after the RSX). I believe what they said.

The "Type-S" is only a badge, afterall. They can make all the improvements they want but they don't have to badge it as an "S". I will be disappointed if they do badge it as such, as it seems inappropriate on a luxury nameplate. After all, it was a trim level, not a tuner division like Mercedes' AMG or BMW's M division. Those get respect. "Type-S" just sounds like rice.

Mizouse

bring back the Type-R!!

imo that was probably the only real tuning trim or division whatever you want to call it for honda.

Civic Type-R, Integra Type-R, NSX Type-R, Accord Euro R

King of Pain

I wrote this back in February and nobody believed me.

That's one down

winstrolvtec

With a less expensive rl coming out, giving the tl-s sh-awd should not be much of a problem for acura. Drop the manual for the regular tl, offer type s with sh awd strictly 6mt. A slight bump in horse for the base tl should satisfy the power hungry, who may not want the hassle of a stick shift. If you really feel your missing out on awd and 300 hp, the cheaper rl is another option. This is a good way for acura not to step on its own toes, keep production costs low, give us what we want, and keep the rl afloat.

BIGTIME

Folks-

Has anyone noticed that not only has every acura dealership pulled their "TL specials" from their websites- so has Acura.com as well as hondafinacialservices.com.

What big program are they preparing and gearing up for- ?

56Oval

Have you seen the new G35? For an all-new design it is rather bland and evolutionary. Nothing much to see here... move along. The hood/front fascia just doesn't work quite right for me. Nor to the doors. Looks like an old G35 tried to mate unsuccessfully with a Lexus GS. Interior looks markedly improved, but has that FX35/45 feel to it.

If anything, that new G35 will drive more customers to an updated TL. :-)

G35 Sedan pics here: http://www.netcarshow.com/infiniti/2007-g35_sedan/

acuraz88

Does any one have that timeline picture... where it says jesus was born.. and then it shows in a big arrow where you are?

typeR

im here what's up ....
anyway temple says they got new '07 TL gets 300 hp

Xpditor

If your post is missing (you know who you are), it's because you are off topic and have been warned several times.

This thread is about the 2007 Acura TL.

You want to talk about G35s or Hondas? Start a new thread in Car Talk.

Teh Jatt

anyway....


TOV is usually correct...

BIGTIME

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Xpditor

BIGTIME: If you are looking for an answer to your question about good deals on TLs, check this thread:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111207

nyi37

After falling in love with the TL when it was redesigned in 2004, after a while of pestering my parents i finally got my mom to test drive it. After that she decided she def. wanted the car, but at the time we needed an SUV so sadly we didnt get it...but she agreed to get it as her next car when her lease is up. Which ends in late '07. So i was wondering will any engine/design mods happen by then do you think? or maybe even a new generation around '08?
-thanks alot

xtin

My guess is that there wont be much change in the 07 (there is a thread here totally dedicated to the 2007 though) but in 2008 with the new gen I think there will be some body mods (Im hoping for lower fogs!) and possible engine mods

new

I'm thinkin of getting a new car. I currently have a 2005 accord 2dr. I love the ride but just not nuts about the looks. Interested in the TL, but not sure if I want to wait for 2007. Does anyone know of any changes on the horizon? Thanks!

EternaLlx

07 isnt that far away. Wait for it. The value of the car would be higher than a 06 when u sell it too.

willieesco420

Dammit!!! I was about to pull the trigger on an 06 6mt Aspec TL.. But this damn thread has me all tore up!!! If its true about what the 07 TL will be bringing to the table, Ill pay for damn rental car till then.. WOW.. Im gettin wood thinkin what this thing would do s/c.. COME TO BUTTHEAD!!!! DO IT.. DO IT..

Kennedy

iTrader: (2)

None of the "GOOD Stuff" has been substantiated at all. If you want a TL, I'd pull the trigger... I certainly wouldn't get a rental car based on the data and "hopes" presented here.

I remeber watching the early 2004 threads and all the folks saying "Brembo's on the rear" in 2005... hasn't happened yet. Just my stockers painted Black with G2 paint (by me) in 2006.

willieesco420

Word.. I want it now, and it gonna take em a little bit to find what I want.. WDP/ebony 6mt navi full aspec,, Just scared as soon as I get it, the 07's will come out and make me sick..

Xpditor

I spoke with an acquaintance of mine who is the General Manager of the world's largest Acura dealer.

He told me that "build-out", when the factory stops making 2006 models and changes over to 2007 models, is in August. They have definitely NOT changed over yet as he is still ordering 2006s.

He has also been told by Acura reps that there will be a Type-S model with close to 300 HP. The Type-S may incorporate suspension and wheel/tire upgrades for handling and performance.

That's the only thing that he knows at this point. He is not expecting any major changes in the look of the TL.

mpsdca

'07 sure could use some enhancement updates, with the Accord body being identical to the TL they need to do something to freshen it up. I remember the '03 update of the last generation substantially improved the looks of the car...actually the '03 TL-S front end is even more aggressive than the '06. Personally this 3rd generation TL body has become somewhat bland a little early.

037

I just got an 06 TL and figured not to wait for 07. My main reasons were the discounts they were having end of april which was basically paying 32.6k for the car, 2.9 financing and the knowledge that it being in it's 3rd year all or most of the kinks were worked out. That means I wouldn't have to put up with the stuff 2004 and 2005 models had problems with. If anything seriously changing for 2007, that means new problems may arise...who the hell needs that while paying over 30k. I'm also guessing AWD eats up more gas if it does get implemented which I highly doubt. Price would shoot waaay up and make it a competition for M35... Anyways, some 07 photos would be appreciated even though I love my 06 NBP/Ebony with navi, which is good enough without a new revision of anything.

037

Almost forgot, all the dealers I've talked to before purchasing an 06 said that the 07 will be in their lots in November, and I'm guessing it will be selling at or above MSRP.

ITL

I think you've lost your friggin marbles...

Xpditor

mpsdca: Welcome to Acurazine. You will find a wealth of information here and plenty of new friends with similar interests.

The Accord body is hardly "identical" to the TL. The dimensions are very close- and, in some measurements, the Accord is actually bigger. You would not mistake one for the other coming down the road, imo.

I, for one, always consider it a compliment when my TL is mentioned as being in the Honda family. Take Honda's reputation for quality and reliability combined with their goal of making a "creme de la creme" luxury/sport sedan, and you get the TL.

I am pretty certain that the decision to make major changes in the body of any model is based on the reality of the market place. If they are still moving like hot cakes without the need for big discounts off MSRP, why change?

lindros2

Yeah and there was going to be a Type-S for the 2004 model. Then the 2005 model.

And Infiniti was going to get the Nissan [Skyline] GT-R.

We'll only know when they're released. Most of the time dealers know substantially less than we do since they're not on the Internet for 15 hours a day...

boxerTL

You've either been :blindfold'd since '04 or you're just a / TROLL.

chfields

What makes you think this??? Every thread I've read on here shows no one paying even close to MSRP much less more...Seems to me, most people, at least the one's on this site, are paying invoice or just over, so why would that change for 07??

A_UFO

I like my TL without lower fog lights. The TL's attractive styling to me is the integrated headlights and fog lights. Much cleaner look and styling to me.

lscld

I agree. I think the TL looks good without lower foglights. If Acura/Honda could add lower foglights to the TL without messing up the front end like they did with the TSX, then it might look good. I just don't like what they did with the '06 TSX's front end. But if the '07 TL could have a smart access type system, more hp for better acceleration (high 5 sec. range would be great) and an upgraded navi. system (similar to what's in the RL), the TL would be a perfect car imo.
p.s. I'm not saying that the navi system in the TL is necessarily outdated, it's still the best on the market, it's just that the RL and even the TSX have a more updated version of the navi. system.

ninjamyst

I put down the deposit on an '06 TL for a great deal but got my refund the next day because of this thread. A few weeks later, bought an '06 TSX and couldn't be happier. I know I will regret getting the '06 TL when the '07 comes out just like I would have been super pissed if I got the '05 TSX 6 months ago.

The '06 TSX has alot of the same features as the current TL so it was a good choice. I did talk to my sales manager and he said not much has been released about the TL yet.

Xpditor

Nobody pays "invoice" for a new TL. That's dealer hype.

The dealer can print an "invoice" packed with all sorts of charges, then, after you agree on a price, they pack an additional $599 (for example) as "Dealer Fees" or "Document Fees" and ppl just blindly pay it thinking it's normal.

Dealers are in business to make money. Industry figures show that Acura dealers are some of the highest "grossing" dealers out there. That reflects the cars popularity. It is a best seller in its market niche. It's just a fact of the free market, that you don't have to back off the price much when it's a seller's market. You might get a better discount towards the end of the month if the dealer has a sales goal he is trying to make. But, he's not going to lose any money on an Acura TL. He still has a sales commission and the dealership overhead to pay for even before he makes any profit.

Not to mention that the dealer gets a percentage of the cars price as a "hold-back" from the factory which is never reflected on the "invoice".

There are other, detailed threads on this. It's complex. But, you don't see $5,000 rebates on Acuras like you often see on Ford, Chevy, Buick, etc.

chfields

I was talking about the invoice price you find around the web, not the "true" invoice that the dealer actually pays. No one sells below their cost, but that also doesn't mean you have to pay MSRP. Invoice is for the TL is generally around, what, $32,500 and MSRP at about $35,800. I guarantee I can find a dealer who will sell near "invoice" price.

Kennedy

iTrader: (2)

On closeout 2006's yes.
If the 2007 is as radically changed as everyone hopes, they'll sell at MSRP for the first year.

That's what happened to the 2004's...

chfields

If that is the case, I guess I won't be buying one, because I don't pay MSRP.

Mike_TX

First, for the confused, invoice price you find on edmunds, kbb, etc., IS the invoice price. Now, the dealers often have to add allocated advertising costs and maybe another legitimate fee or two to that. By "legitimate", I'm talking about pass-through costs that they don't actually keep as profit, NOT things like document fees and charges for bogus paint treatments and so on.

SO. The invoice price the dealer has will be the same as the invoice price you find online from reputable sources, plus maybe as much as 1-1/2 - 2% for the aforementioned pass-through costs.

But the mistake some people make is thinking that invoice price is the actual price the dealer pays for the car from Acura, and it ain't. The dealer gets hold-backs and bonuses and various other incentives from the factory, based on his sales performance and other considerations. As a result, when a dealer sells for "invoice", he is actually making probably $1,500-2,000 on average. When he sells for more than invoice, it's just more in his pocket ... which is already not exactly empty.

chfields

I fully understand that and that is why I'm confident I can get a TL for around "invoice".