2007+ MERGED THREAD, SPECS ARE NOW ON PAGE 1, POST #1
#161
Minor 2007 Changes
I found this article online. I'm a newbie and not a real car person, but when I see something that looks good... like the TL, I know I must have. But I think I'll wait. I was gonna get one this weekend, but since I found this site I may have to delay gratification.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_TL#2007
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_TL#2007
#162
Originally Posted by sweatinmyac
i think that all of those who feel the tl is lacking upgrades etc. aka the constant complainers, are neglecting to realize the reason why they bought the car in the first place... considering all of the standard options and the price point, there is nothing that compares. this car is a low to mid $30k car not a $40k+ car. so if you're looking for awd, ventilated seats, adaptive cruise or whatever, get a different car. for the same reasons you bought a tl over an accord, step it up if you're not satisfied now with what the tl offers.
I guess I'll let the Exec VP of American Honda Motor Co. echo what I said earlier. I felt reassured when I read this. Acura has their eye on the future and is not going to sit on it's success. The TL is a GREAT car but needs to continue to evolve to stay ahead of the competition or maybe Dick Colliver is just a constant complainer too.
#163
look at the 1st gen tl compared to current... of course there are going to be upgrades as technology and the market expands... no doubt about it. and of course, the evp will promise the future of honda to be a huge technological and ground breaking advance. we can talk about what the car will and should have all day.
point being, is that it gets a bit monotonous when there is continued stress over what the tl lacks. consider what it offers instead. acura/honda imo has been a pioneer and it all started with the legend. you can't expect them to be on top/ in front/ #1 in advancements etc. at all times.
you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.
point being, is that it gets a bit monotonous when there is continued stress over what the tl lacks. consider what it offers instead. acura/honda imo has been a pioneer and it all started with the legend. you can't expect them to be on top/ in front/ #1 in advancements etc. at all times.
you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.
#164
Originally Posted by sweatinmyac
you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.
#166
It could happen!
From wikipedia.com: (linked above)
"2007 TL is due for a Minor Model Change before 2009 redesign. It will most likely receive clear taillights, redesigned front bumper and headlights, and additional horsepower with a revised intake/exhaust system.
It has been rumored that the 2009 Acura TL will use SH-AWD as used in the current (2006) Acura RL. Rumored new engine choices are the 3.5L used in the current RL or a DOHC 3.2L engine."
"2007 TL is due for a Minor Model Change before 2009 redesign. It will most likely receive clear taillights, redesigned front bumper and headlights, and additional horsepower with a revised intake/exhaust system.
It has been rumored that the 2009 Acura TL will use SH-AWD as used in the current (2006) Acura RL. Rumored new engine choices are the 3.5L used in the current RL or a DOHC 3.2L engine."
#167
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I was at my local dealership yesterday to get an oil change on my 2004 TL and test drive the RL. I am really interested in the AWD and like some of the other upgrades, although I'm not sure I am sold on the styling on the RL (inside or out) and I think the TL, in addition to looking better, has a much better interface for the Navi and stereo.
Anyway, my salesperson mentioned buzz that senior management there brought back from an Acura meeting in CA that there are significant changes coming to the 2007 TL (this fall). They say there will definitely be a Type-S, and while they aren't sure what that will entail, they can't rule out AWD.
Personally, I can't imagine them putting AWD in the TL now, because they'd never sell another RL. But, if they did, I'd buy another TL in a heartbeat because this one has been one of the best cars I have owned. (Whereas my 2003 TL was not only the worst car, but the worst consumer product I ever purchased, period.)
They said they hoped they'd know something in the next couple months in terms of details on the 2007. Thoughts? I think for now I will sit tight, since I'd be kicking myself if I went with the RL and then an AWD TL came out.
Anyway, my salesperson mentioned buzz that senior management there brought back from an Acura meeting in CA that there are significant changes coming to the 2007 TL (this fall). They say there will definitely be a Type-S, and while they aren't sure what that will entail, they can't rule out AWD.
Personally, I can't imagine them putting AWD in the TL now, because they'd never sell another RL. But, if they did, I'd buy another TL in a heartbeat because this one has been one of the best cars I have owned. (Whereas my 2003 TL was not only the worst car, but the worst consumer product I ever purchased, period.)
They said they hoped they'd know something in the next couple months in terms of details on the 2007. Thoughts? I think for now I will sit tight, since I'd be kicking myself if I went with the RL and then an AWD TL came out.
#168
Originally Posted by sweatinmyac
look at the 1st gen tl compared to current... of course there are going to be upgrades as technology and the market expands... no doubt about it. and of course, the evp will promise the future of honda to be a huge technological and ground breaking advance. we can talk about what the car will and should have all day.
point being, is that it gets a bit monotonous when there is continued stress over what the tl lacks. consider what it offers instead. acura/honda imo has been a pioneer and it all started with the legend. you can't expect them to be on top/ in front/ #1 in advancements etc. at all times.
you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.
point being, is that it gets a bit monotonous when there is continued stress over what the tl lacks. consider what it offers instead. acura/honda imo has been a pioneer and it all started with the legend. you can't expect them to be on top/ in front/ #1 in advancements etc. at all times.
you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.
Talking about what the car should or would have is the point of this thread until some credible information is released. It sounds like I'm not the only one interested in seeing what changes are around the corner.
#169
xpditor - If it's true the 2007 will get a front bumper re-design, that's perfect for me as that's the one thing about the car I don't care for. The nose area seems anemic/pedestrian/too sloped/boreing/old Camry-ish to me. I'd like to see it beefed up a tad.
#170
You never going to see an aggressive grill because it won't be Pedestrian friendly. Why you think Honda built that multi-billion dollar facility? They really not changing much for the '07 except HP, torque, refresh navi, lights, and bumpers. What I like is that is getting the same LED that the new '06 accord has which looks really nice. The one thing I would really like, if is they put in the XM traffic in the TL's navi.
#171
The real-time traffic is kinda gimicky in my view and I don't have much use for it. I know where the bad spots are in my area and at what times of day. I don't do that many road trips to justify the monthly fee.
I would like to get the upgraded navi like the TSX has with several hundred more voice commands (not that I've memorized the ones I have!) and I would like to have the RDS radio info that is almost standard these days.
A heads-up display option would be nice. Maybe the S-type will have that.
As an owner of a 2004 TL, I smile every year that they DON'T change the TL because it assures that my value will stay high. My car is two years old but only has 5,000 miles. I could flip it right now for a very low annual depreciation. Someone looking at a 2006 would sure consider an essentially identical car with low miles if they could save $4k or so.
I have people coming up to me asking if I want to sell it. Of course the Acura sales people also ask because 1) they have used car customers looking, and 2) they would like to sell me a new one.
I would like to get the upgraded navi like the TSX has with several hundred more voice commands (not that I've memorized the ones I have!) and I would like to have the RDS radio info that is almost standard these days.
A heads-up display option would be nice. Maybe the S-type will have that.
As an owner of a 2004 TL, I smile every year that they DON'T change the TL because it assures that my value will stay high. My car is two years old but only has 5,000 miles. I could flip it right now for a very low annual depreciation. Someone looking at a 2006 would sure consider an essentially identical car with low miles if they could save $4k or so.
I have people coming up to me asking if I want to sell it. Of course the Acura sales people also ask because 1) they have used car customers looking, and 2) they would like to sell me a new one.
#172
Originally Posted by davenlei
From what I hear... and take it for what it is... an unproven source... but many of the features for new model vehicles from this source have been correct.
The '07 TL's are scheduled to have a 285hp type S model option (Engine:
3.2L SOHC HO VTEC V-6 (285hp @ 6200rpm)). I know many people say this is not happening but I do not see it listed as a cancelled manufacturing line item yet.
I also see from this source the '09 is to have an optional AWD choice.
You can say not true, etc. but I am just putting out what I have seen from this source. If I see pics, I will post them. So far, I do not see line items for the new model images.
The '07 TL's are scheduled to have a 285hp type S model option (Engine:
3.2L SOHC HO VTEC V-6 (285hp @ 6200rpm)). I know many people say this is not happening but I do not see it listed as a cancelled manufacturing line item yet.
I also see from this source the '09 is to have an optional AWD choice.
You can say not true, etc. but I am just putting out what I have seen from this source. If I see pics, I will post them. So far, I do not see line items for the new model images.
#173
As for me, I don't have torque steer problems.
It might be different with a 6MT with LSD. I don't know about that. It may "hunt" during wheel spin.
If you want to experience real torque steer problems, test drive a Maxima.
It might be different with a 6MT with LSD. I don't know about that. It may "hunt" during wheel spin.
If you want to experience real torque steer problems, test drive a Maxima.
#174
Originally Posted by Xpditor
As for me, I don't have torque steer problems.
It might be different with a 6MT with LSD. I don't know about that. It may "hunt" during wheel spin.
If you want to experience real torque steer problems, test drive a Maxima.
It might be different with a 6MT with LSD. I don't know about that. It may "hunt" during wheel spin.
If you want to experience real torque steer problems, test drive a Maxima.
#175
Originally Posted by Pele 96
That's one of the issues with front wheel drive cars. You can only put some much power through the front wheels before you get massive torque steer. And yes the 6mt TL does suffer from that a bit because I have one. But If you are a good driver you can control the car.
#176
There will never be another TL Type-S. Acura has already said the -S is gone, no longer a part of their vocabulary. If the TL gets more power for 2007, it'll be across the board, not the creation of a different trim.
#177
100% positive and sure there will be a type S. As honda/acura is so tight lipped about future product leaks, they don't release the info to the public/media til 6 weeks before intro. PS, i do work for acura & no i can't leak the info, not even in a PM - so don't ask. 07 and 08 will be the same body (with MMC facelift) as 04-06 with several enhancements. yes AWD is coming but not until 09 with new model. you can see as MDX, RDX and RL use AWD already keeps production cost down cause of the volume. need AWD as engine size (hence torque) increases.
#184
Now that I have looked at it another angle.. I don't think those clear tailights in the back look that great anymore... kinda like cheezy altezza lights... I would rather have it white on top rather on the side of the tailight
Unless '07 has significant changes.. like type-s version I don't see myself getting an '07...
Unless '07 has significant changes.. like type-s version I don't see myself getting an '07...
#185
With regards to 07 Chinese TL pics...
Tailights - remind me of the Fusion's tailights. Of course, so did the ones on the concept ASPEC everyone raved about...they look cheap and cheesy no matter what car they're on.
Headlights - doable...just like BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, etc. headlights (clear signal w/ amber reflector)...good chance the bulb is amber.
Rear Side Marker - matches the front...a member here had prototypes on his car six months ago or so...I used to want this really badly, but now 50/50 on it. It would be nice to get tailights and front turn signal made in the same fashion (never happen).
Tailights - remind me of the Fusion's tailights. Of course, so did the ones on the concept ASPEC everyone raved about...they look cheap and cheesy no matter what car they're on.
Headlights - doable...just like BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, etc. headlights (clear signal w/ amber reflector)...good chance the bulb is amber.
Rear Side Marker - matches the front...a member here had prototypes on his car six months ago or so...I used to want this really badly, but now 50/50 on it. It would be nice to get tailights and front turn signal made in the same fashion (never happen).
#187
The '07 TL will have more HP for the simple fact that the '08 Accord will have more thna 265HP. Is a shame that Toyota has the Camry at 269HP and the TL still has 258HP. Honda plan was to have the '07 Camry come out and release the Accord next to compete. Honda's V6 has always had more power than the Toyota's V6. Now that Toyota and Lexus are using the 3.5 V6, is only right that Honda uses the 3.5 they have across the board.
#189
Originally Posted by AltecBX
The '07 TL will have more HP for the simple fact that the '08 Accord will have more thna 265HP. Is a shame that Toyota has the Camry at 269HP and the TL still has 258HP. Honda plan was to have the '07 Camry come out and release the Accord next to compete. Honda's V6 has always had more power than the Toyota's V6. Now that Toyota and Lexus are using the 3.5 V6, is only right that Honda uses the 3.5 they have across the board.
#190
Originally Posted by Actuary
previous post made little sense. you mean 09 TL will have more HP because "brand new" 08 camry will have more HP
#192
Originally Posted by Minarets
whats everyones thoughts on the the new G35?
#193
Originally Posted by Minarets
whats everyones thoughts on the the new G35?
#194
Originally Posted by AltecBX
I saw the new G35. The interrior is definite looking nice. Is not beating the navi, but everything else is hot. 300HP, RWD, interior looking nice; looking to see what the '07 TL has in store, if no change getting the new G35 with AWD.
#195
Originally Posted by joflewbyu2
it is a shme that you think there is a difference between 258 hp & 268 hp. the tl is a 3.2 not a 3.5 - 10% bigger engine. bigger engine = more gas.
#196
Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
There isn't a difference between 269 and 258? And I managed to pass all my math courses way back in school. FWIW the Camry's 3.5 V6 also produces a bit more torque. AND, the EPA estimates show that the Camry's 3.5 V6 uses LESS gas than Acura's 3.2 or Honda's 3.0 V6s. So let's not knock Toyota's ability to engineer cars here.
#197
Originally Posted by AltecBX
I saw the new G35. The interrior is definite looking nice. Is not beating the navi, but everything else is hot. 300HP, RWD, interior looking nice; looking to see what the '07 TL has in store, if no change getting the new G35 with AWD.
Even though I still think TL's interior looks better than the '07 G35, that's not going to be a good enough reason.. I think the G35 '07 exterior styling has been improved to point that it looks better than the TL., performance is going to be way better than the TL..
#199
Originally Posted by vc123
07 tl is ugly copare to the ours the tail light is UGLY
g35 is nice but it looks like the lexus is350 haha look at their shape it;s soo alike same as the headlight
g35 is nice but it looks like the lexus is350 haha look at their shape it;s soo alike same as the headlight
even the mazda rx8 was refreshed LAST year (second model year) with a push button start...the is350 is on the market, it has more hp and an ipod integration (well, a port to plug in to, i wouldn't call it integration.) BMW has added FULL integration of an ipod before the 2nd year has even been released!
The TL is entering its 4th model year: 04 (the pilot year); 05 (changed seat panels); the 06, (a new color, TPS) ... other than that, with the exception of musiclink, i don't think there has been a thing done to the TL, except for correcting the seat problem and adding a TPS...am i wrong?
Which brings me to the G35; The G35 looks great but its still not a "new" model its a "refreshed" model, with what constitutes a "major redesign" or 2nd gen G35, probably 2 years off...i posted in this thread yesterday that i am VERY interested to see what Acura's 07 model will look like, i would agree that the 4th gen TL will probably be released in 09, which would tell me that we will see a "refreshed" (a'la the g35) model in 07... of course we are ALL just speculating, but i have to believe that there is something coming for the 07 more than cleared taillights...am i the only one that thinks this way?
Thoughts?
#200
I thought the 07 G35 was a redesign??? It has different shaped body panels, dimensions, and completly different interior. So it has to be a redesign. Anyways the G35 already had its refresh in 05 already