mmforever

I found this article online. I'm a newbie and not a real car person, but when I see something that looks good... like the TL, I know I must have. But I think I'll wait. I was gonna get one this weekend, but since I found this site I may have to delay gratification.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acura_TL#2007

SPIN

http://hondanews.com/CatID3000?mid=2...60772&mime=asc

I guess I'll let the Exec VP of American Honda Motor Co. echo what I said earlier. I felt reassured when I read this. Acura has their eye on the future and is not going to sit on it's success. The TL is a GREAT car but needs to continue to evolve to stay ahead of the competition or maybe Dick Colliver is just a constant complainer too.

sweatinmyac

look at the 1st gen tl compared to current... of course there are going to be upgrades as technology and the market expands... no doubt about it. and of course, the evp will promise the future of honda to be a huge technological and ground breaking advance. we can talk about what the car will and should have all day.

point being, is that it gets a bit monotonous when there is continued stress over what the tl lacks. consider what it offers instead. acura/honda imo has been a pioneer and it all started with the legend. you can't expect them to be on top/ in front/ #1 in advancements etc. at all times.

you get what you pay for. if you want to pay $30k for a great car, the tl offers that...period.

neuronbob

I couldn't have said it better. No other car offers what the TL does for the (litle) money. That's why I have one, and why it sells 60-70k/year, because others have figured it out too.

meagain

I find it hard to believe 2007 info isn't out yet. This is getting frustrating. Wouldn't the 2007 be out in 4-5 months? I'd think info would be available at this time.

Xpditor

From wikipedia.com: (linked above)

"2007 TL is due for a Minor Model Change before 2009 redesign. It will most likely receive clear taillights, redesigned front bumper and headlights, and additional horsepower with a revised intake/exhaust system.

It has been rumored that the 2009 Acura TL will use SH-AWD as used in the current (2006) Acura RL. Rumored new engine choices are the 3.5L used in the current RL or a DOHC 3.2L engine."

MikeElmendorf

I was at my local dealership yesterday to get an oil change on my 2004 TL and test drive the RL. I am really interested in the AWD and like some of the other upgrades, although I'm not sure I am sold on the styling on the RL (inside or out) and I think the TL, in addition to looking better, has a much better interface for the Navi and stereo.

Anyway, my salesperson mentioned buzz that senior management there brought back from an Acura meeting in CA that there are significant changes coming to the 2007 TL (this fall). They say there will definitely be a Type-S, and while they aren't sure what that will entail, they can't rule out AWD.

Personally, I can't imagine them putting AWD in the TL now, because they'd never sell another RL. But, if they did, I'd buy another TL in a heartbeat because this one has been one of the best cars I have owned. (Whereas my 2003 TL was not only the worst car, but the worst consumer product I ever purchased, period.)

They said they hoped they'd know something in the next couple months in terms of details on the 2007. Thoughts? I think for now I will sit tight, since I'd be kicking myself if I went with the RL and then an AWD TL came out.

SPIN

I agree with you 100% about the value of the TL. It's first in it's class when it comes to that. I don't agree that it can't stay there. My point was never that it lacked anything. My point was that they could not just sit on what they have because they are making money which is what someone on the previous page had said.

Talking about what the car should or would have is the point of this thread until some credible information is released. It sounds like I'm not the only one interested in seeing what changes are around the corner.

meagain

xpditor - If it's true the 2007 will get a front bumper re-design, that's perfect for me as that's the one thing about the car I don't care for. The nose area seems anemic/pedestrian/too sloped/boreing/old Camry-ish to me. I'd like to see it beefed up a tad.

AltecBX

You never going to see an aggressive grill because it won't be Pedestrian friendly. Why you think Honda built that multi-billion dollar facility? They really not changing much for the '07 except HP, torque, refresh navi, lights, and bumpers. What I like is that is getting the same LED that the new '06 accord has which looks really nice. The one thing I would really like, if is they put in the XM traffic in the TL's navi.

Xpditor

The real-time traffic is kinda gimicky in my view and I don't have much use for it. I know where the bad spots are in my area and at what times of day. I don't do that many road trips to justify the monthly fee.

I would like to get the upgraded navi like the TSX has with several hundred more voice commands (not that I've memorized the ones I have!) and I would like to have the RDS radio info that is almost standard these days.

A heads-up display option would be nice. Maybe the S-type will have that.

As an owner of a 2004 TL, I smile every year that they DON'T change the TL because it assures that my value will stay high. My car is two years old but only has 5,000 miles. I could flip it right now for a very low annual depreciation. Someone looking at a 2006 would sure consider an essentially identical car with low miles if they could save $4k or so.

I have people coming up to me asking if I want to sell it. Of course the Acura sales people also ask because 1) they have used car customers looking, and 2) they would like to sell me a new one.

Pele 96

Let me ask you guys a question. Why would Acura put more HP through the front wheels if the current TL has torque steer problems. Would that be smart?

Xpditor

As for me, I don't have torque steer problems.

It might be different with a 6MT with LSD. I don't know about that. It may "hunt" during wheel spin.

If you want to experience real torque steer problems, test drive a Maxima.

Pele 96

That's one of the issues with front wheel drive cars. You can only put some much power through the front wheels before you get massive torque steer. And yes the 6mt TL does suffer from that a bit because I have one. But If you are a good driver you can control the car.

AltecBX

Yes, the Maxima is definite a steer hog. To much torque to those front wheels, that V6 was meant for a RWD like a G35. The new '07 maxima and ALtima is getting more HP for '07. Not very wise, as the traction control still doesn't fix the problem. Acura has to move the LSD to the back to justify its balance on the man.

03CoupeV6

There will never be another TL Type-S. Acura has already said the -S is gone, no longer a part of their vocabulary. If the TL gets more power for 2007, it'll be across the board, not the creation of a different trim.

joflewbyu2

100% positive and sure there will be a type S. As honda/acura is so tight lipped about future product leaks, they don't release the info to the public/media til 6 weeks before intro. PS, i do work for acura & no i can't leak the info, not even in a PM - so don't ask. 07 and 08 will be the same body (with MMC facelift) as 04-06 with several enhancements. yes AWD is coming but not until 09 with new model. you can see as MDX, RDX and RL use AWD already keeps production cost down cause of the volume. need AWD as engine size (hence torque) increases.

Actuary

More 07 photos

Minus the back up light in US.

Probably not the half cleared turn signal neither

Interior is same

03CoupeV6

I would expect a bit more from a MMC than those photos. Not even a wheel change?

neuronbob

Source for pix please?

And joeflewbyu, thanks for amplifying my previous point. Ahum...Dealers (and we). Know. Nothing.

mlody

Clear headlamp like some people do, I would like to see, but clear taillamp - it looks really bad.

Mindworm

Yawn inspiring, eh?

TL CHROMETIDE

That is actually the TL for china. There is no guarantee that the chinese TL will be same for the US.

mecca88

Now that I have looked at it another angle.. I don't think those clear tailights in the back look that great anymore... kinda like cheezy altezza lights... I would rather have it white on top rather on the side of the tailight

Unless '07 has significant changes.. like type-s version I don't see myself getting an '07...

chill_dog

With regards to 07 Chinese TL pics...

Tailights - remind me of the Fusion's tailights. Of course, so did the ones on the concept ASPEC everyone raved about...they look cheap and cheesy no matter what car they're on.

Headlights - doable...just like BMW, Mercedes, Infiniti, etc. headlights (clear signal w/ amber reflector)...good chance the bulb is amber.

Rear Side Marker - matches the front...a member here had prototypes on his car six months ago or so...I used to want this really badly, but now 50/50 on it. It would be nice to get tailights and front turn signal made in the same fashion (never happen).

meagain

Would someone be able to point me some place that explains what a Type-S entails? Hubby's car is not looking like it'll still be alive by the time these come out (whever THAT is)... I need ammo to convince him to wait.

AltecBX

The '07 TL will have more HP for the simple fact that the '08 Accord will have more thna 265HP. Is a shame that Toyota has the Camry at 269HP and the TL still has 258HP. Honda plan was to have the '07 Camry come out and release the Accord next to compete. Honda's V6 has always had more power than the Toyota's V6. Now that Toyota and Lexus are using the 3.5 V6, is only right that Honda uses the 3.5 they have across the board.

Actuary

previous post made little sense. you mean 09 TL will have more HP because "brand new" 08 camry will have more HP

joflewbyu2

it is a shme that you think there is a difference between 258 hp & 268 hp. the tl is a 3.2 not a 3.5 - 10% bigger engine. bigger engine = more gas. want power - buy a 400 hp gto. WOW!!! you can notice a 10 hp difference, why have dynos then? you can make money just by driving in a car and guessing hp. HAHA

AltecBX

The '07 Camry has 269HP. The '07 and '08 TL will have the same spec so it will have more HP to compete with Toyota. THe new '08 Accord will definite have more power, but can't have more than the TL, so in that case the TL will have more power for the '07 & '08 model. As for the gas, the camry is a 3.5 and gives you over 30 in the highways.

Minarets

whats everyones thoughts on the the new G35?

Wyman

I like the new G35. Much nicer interior (TL gauges) and a more aggressive exterior. If Acura doesn't update the TL soon (this year), I'm trading my 2000 TL for a G35.

AltecBX

I saw the new G35. The interrior is definite looking nice. Is not beating the navi, but everything else is hot. 300HP, RWD, interior looking nice; looking to see what the '07 TL has in store, if no change getting the new G35 with AWD.

brian92873

i HAVE to believe that given the number of changes infiniti made to the g35, coupled with the fact that it is still really only a 'refresh' that the 07 TL will have more changes than the pics posted on this thread...I'M JUST GETTING SICK OF WAITING FOR ACURA TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT.

03CoupeV6

There isn't a difference between 269 and 258? And I managed to pass all my math courses way back in school. FWIW the Camry's 3.5 V6 also produces a bit more torque. AND, the EPA estimates show that the Camry's 3.5 V6 uses LESS gas than Acura's 3.2 or Honda's 3.0 V6s. So let's not knock Toyota's ability to engineer cars here.

mlody

Last time I checked Honda was an engine company and it looks like they even have a hard time keeping up with engines. Come on - Toyota, Nissan, and some others have been already making better, more powerful and fuel efficient V6 engines than 3.0/3.2/3.5 Honda has. It is really a shame that 3.2 in TL is still SOHC configuration (requires an expensive timing belt replacement job) and has really lousy city MPG. I think it is about time for Honda to change this some how by putting some advanced technology into V6 to make it more efficient (care less for hp or tq)

acuraz88

I had my heart set on a TL but after looking at the G35 I think I am going to change my mind unless Acura comes up with something quick for MMC '07

Even though I still think TL's interior looks better than the '07 G35, that's not going to be a good enough reason.. I think the G35 '07 exterior styling has been improved to point that it looks better than the TL., performance is going to be way better than the TL..

vc123

07 tl is ugly copare to the ours the tail light is UGLY

g35 is nice but it looks like the lexus is350 haha look at their shape it;s soo alike same as the headlight

brian92873

i still don't buy that the pics posted on this thread are the 07 TL...NO WAY....a bunch of people have noted that they haven't even changed the wheel config...c'mon. this is the TL that is being released to china right? this is NOT the 07 TL...

even the mazda rx8 was refreshed LAST year (second model year) with a push button start...the is350 is on the market, it has more hp and an ipod integration (well, a port to plug in to, i wouldn't call it integration.) BMW has added FULL integration of an ipod before the 2nd year has even been released!

The TL is entering its 4th model year: 04 (the pilot year); 05 (changed seat panels); the 06, (a new color, TPS) ... other than that, with the exception of musiclink, i don't think there has been a thing done to the TL, except for correcting the seat problem and adding a TPS...am i wrong?

Which brings me to the G35; The G35 looks great but its still not a "new" model its a "refreshed" model, with what constitutes a "major redesign" or 2nd gen G35, probably 2 years off...i posted in this thread yesterday that i am VERY interested to see what Acura's 07 model will look like, i would agree that the 4th gen TL will probably be released in 09, which would tell me that we will see a "refreshed" (a'la the g35) model in 07... of course we are ALL just speculating, but i have to believe that there is something coming for the 07 more than cleared taillights...am i the only one that thinks this way?

Thoughts?

whatjones911

I thought the 07 G35 was a redesign??? It has different shaped body panels, dimensions, and completly different interior. So it has to be a redesign. Anyways the G35 already had its refresh in 05 already