assclown

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yeah, that's why my car is at my tuner. he's a well respected honda guy. he was amazed at how much more options the new software has over the series 1 junk.

yeah, i really don't want to go fic either. plus i thought about it the other day, there will not be a fuel governor on it, so i can probably find my real top speed

civicdrivr

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The one feature that I really like is that the software allows you to use up to two widebands to control the fuel trims, not narrow bands like the stock bs. That way the car is always running perfect AFR. Its similar to the 7th and 8th gen Accords. Ill be running one wideband per bank. I need to get a set of cams and then tune, I want to be the first all motor CL to hit 350whp.

friesm2000

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first time i saw that we had only one, i was like WTF , i though they would have gone to at least two narrowbands by then

civicdrivr

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Yep, only the one right before the cat controls the fuel trims, the o2 after the cat is just a sniffer to make sure the cat is operating properly.

friesm2000

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not entirely true, it does help with the final fuel trim numbers (i know toyotas do it, and i think hondas do it to some extent also), but it happens over MANY MANY miles though

civicdrivr

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Ive run without the secondary without any change in my AFRs. I did have a CEL for the o2 itself though.

friesm2000

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but it freezes the fuel trim numbers when it has a code set (and it will still vary them based on the front one)(remember it's also doable checking the front one, to make sure it is reading correctly, so it does affect fuel trims over ENOUGH time

assclown

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but no one knows what's up with this missing sync and timing bs?

assclown

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so i got a text from my tuner last night. and he said he got in touch with aem. they are thinking it's a bad cam or crank sensor. i'm thinking about picking up the car and trying to replace these things in my driveway.

i'm thinking maybe i damaged the cam sensor when changing the timing belt as i was using a wrench to turn the cam gear i have a spare a1 in my back yard, would the sensors work on my a2?

Rajca

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Not sure if it will work. I have an a2 sensor somewhere in my garage from an auto it ur interested.
Compare the part numbers

assclown

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yeah, i compared the part numbers and they look the same. so i'm thinking of picking it up sometime, driving it back home and replacing this sucker. it's gonna suck because it'll be just like changing the timing belt cause i've gotta get that cam gear off in order to remove the timing belt cover.

assclown

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picked the car up today. drove it from frankfort to richmond which is a good 45min to hour drive. wideband is installed and car still sounds like shit, so i have an exhaust leak somewhere. probably between the up pipe and the header "ypipe"

since we're running on stock ecu, i really didn't want to push too much on it because boost will throw it into limp mode. but i'll tell you what, when i'm on the high way in 6th gear, it still wants to pull.

depending on how the weather handles this week, i'll take the sensors off the other engine and i'll install them this weekend. i'll also need to get a new p/s pump. once the sensors are installed, i'll plug in the AEM EMS and hopefully it'll rev past 3-4k, if that happens we are ready for tune.

assclown

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took a few more pictures. no big deal







got another running vid with a little more light, also showing my wideband gauge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7zIT-W2T90

civicdrivr

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Nice. Now get those sensors swapped!

assclown

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sounds like it won't be a problem. saturday looks clear!

http://www.weather.com/weather/tenday/40475

civicdrivr

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assclown

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btw, i've scoured all over e-store looking for the diagram of the crank sensor. what option is it under? i know the cam sensor is in the "timing cover" section.

assclown

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found it, it's under the Oil Pump/Oil Strainer category



it's number 18 and the part numbers do match between my two engines.

I might strip them off the other engine today depending on how much daylight I have when I get home.

assclown

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nope

Rajca

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u cant find the crank sensor?

JDM Inspired

Oh shits ur still alive bro?^

oh yeah u turned to a cl-head now! I think cl and tl forums should be combined..........

friesm2000

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my little story

civicdrivr

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Nope what?

assclown

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haha, morgan, your avatar is killing me.

on a serious note. nope means fml. since i couldn't get the sensors off of the other engine, i just ordered new ones, picked them yesterday morning in louisville and my brother started working on it. took us a good 8 hours to swap both the cam and crank sensors, but once i started the car right up, still will not rev past 3k.

kris was talking about the ckp sensor on the trans in the "hondata" thread. nothing is hooked up to the trans, could that be the problem?

DoubleD721

good luck with this im sure its gonna be awesome!

assclown

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calling AEM today to see about raising the thresholds. wish me luck.

civicdrivr

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I wish I had more experience with it, but Im waiting for them to finalize the software.

assclown

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they pretty much brushed me off saying that the TL is not supported in this configuration blah blah blah. but if i wanted to raise the thresholds i'd go into the advanced cam/crank section. i can't find it but whatever.

think it could possibly be richie's harness?

civicdrivr

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Id just tell them what engine youre running and what tranny and go from there. Its a stand alone so the chassis really doesnt matter. Im not familiar with Richies harness.

assclown

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as far as richies harness, it was designed to talk to the stock ECU, maybe the standalone would correct the problems if the harness wasn't installed?

friesm2000

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normally speaking though, if the ecu does not see a crank sensor, it will not start though

(and if it is an auto wiring harness) since in reality, the TL is just so what happens you tossed the combo in
more then likely not, unless you are picking up alot of noise on the lines, but iirc, you don't even touch the cam or crank sensors with richie's harness, so they should not matter







i have one suggestion though, is have the tuner check the polarity of the cam and crank sensors and that they are hooked up CORRECTLY (maybe they get switched on the AEM )
i know it may sound stupid, but i have seen one car where another shop had done head gaskets on a subie, when they had pulled the intake manifold, they pulled on the crank sensor wires, then they had plugged them back in the wrong pins (both brown wires btw)
well lets just say it would not run, and when you did get it to run and all, it would backfire, pop, and make a bunch of the wrong noises, we switched those two wires around, and it ran just like originally

give me a sec, and i will try and post a picture to explain it better

friesm2000

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so basically in the first wave form, with where tehe gray arrow is, is where the ecu "NORMALLY" picks up the signal, as it crosses a certian threshold/amplitude

well basically what was happening was that the, when the signal was crossing that same threshold, was way too late when those wires where switched around (as shown in the second waveform, causeing all the issues, with retarding timing (or advancing, depending on if the ecu sees a leading or trailing signal origionally)


btw that double hump, would be the #1 at TDC signal before you ask

and to further help my theory , i know when i was playing around with my fic, that when it set a cam or crank sensor code, it would limit the revs to 3k (and you could actually tell if it was a cam or crank code too by how it acted), and below 3k it would run with absolutely no issues too (still need to figure it out though, what is causing that, fic has not been in )


so basically what i am thinking is that the wires for one of the cam sensors is switched around from the factory setting (or they fucked up and switched the two cam sensors completely around)(and maybe have them also recheck the interior wiring also..., since didn't alot of that get changed also)

tl_ster

question...Can i do the swap wit jus j32a1 n 00 tl ecu? using richie harness..r j32a2 motor is a must in order to function?

assclown

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No, not required. I just got greedy haha

tl_ster

Thanks a lot! now i will proceed collecting my parts! excited mang!

reese8789

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Are you useing richies harness with the ems? I thought the ems was designed for a auto harness and 6 speed tranny already so no need for anything else.

assclown

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yeah. we had installed Richie's harness prior to going with EMS. we were going to go the haltech route but that fell through. sometime within the next week or two, I'm going to try swapping engine wire harnesses to see what happens.

Jacobpockros

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Are you talking about the EMS, or EMS 2? I heard it's possible to do the EMS 2 if you swap over an auto harness with the auto sensors.

assclown

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EMS 2. All harnesses and sensors I have are for the auto. According to the user manual only auto trans stuff will work with the EMS 2.

Jacobpockros

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yup, if this works, you will actually have a real tune lol