The 07-up is different. I think they changed at some point through the '06 model year but dont quote me on that. I do remember Paul saying you need to look at the bell housing to be sure.

 

didn't he say that about the TL, not the Odyssey trans? Or is it the same scenario for both?

 

ok i know other hondas use that kind of sensor in that spot as a VSS. but i realize the TL only have the power steer hoses attached to it so ill loop em

i look forward to your pix

 

OK, progress is happening, very slowly however. I had a couple job interviews today and a welding class that kept me from working in the garage. Last night had a dinner outing and tomorrow night another dinner. I'll be in the garage during the day. I know at this point that one of my motor mounts is cracked, so I'll be taking both of them out to have a good look at them. I started to take out the subframe when I realized I better completely remove the mounts first. It's just a bugger as there is hardly any room to work on the mounts and I'm not able to get power tools (air rachet or Impact wrench) in there so it's all by hand. I've got all but one bolt out on the front mount and I realized I better take out the passenger side fan to allow more room to work. We'll have to see how far I can get tomorrow. I'll be the first to admit I'm not the speediest....

 

im on the home stretch now but temps dipped to low 30s today so gotta wait for sum sun on monday. the accord trans bolted right in perfect and accepted all the TL sensors.

THEEE hardest part of the entire job is removing and installing the half shaft as the exhaust blocks the path for ratchet wrenches. it is hell working under there

 

Well, the old tranny is out. The only snags yesterday were that I should have followed the directions and removed the warmer prior to trying to lower the transmission. I also found that there was one bolt from the back trans mount that was in the part of the subframe that stayed with the car. I suppose I should have removed that trans mount before trying to lower the trans, but it worked out. One plug on the backside missed my initial inspection so I had to disconnect it after the trans was loose. I could not get it to unplug until I removed the plug from it's mount on the tranny, then it unplugged no problem. The next step is to take lots of pictures of the two transmissions, figure out their differences, and move the parts over to the new one.

The manual suggested replacing the warmer. Anybody have any feelings on this?

My CL had the jet kit modification that removed the normal ATF filler plug and put a hose down in it to cool that clutch, do I need to maintain that? Or should I go with the hose configuration thats on the newer tranny?

I obviously have to order a new filter.

I was also told by Acura at the start of this whole mess that a motor mount was cracked and needed replaced. I need to figure out which one they were talking about. We took it in to see if the tranny was still under warranty (it wasn't), so the estimate was $6000. They were selling an 01' CL Type S on the lot for $8000, I definitely was not going to spend $6000 with them for a new crappy tranny...

I have a few things to do for a few days, so I hope to be back on this later in the week.

Yes I agree that the exhaust makes things difficult, the Haynes manual says to remove the front section, but I decided against it. I have to say that nothing yet has been extraordinarily difficult, it's only my looking for a cracked motor mount that's been tough while the tranny was in the car. That will be much easier, now that the tranny is out.

 

thats true we actually broke the bracket of that half shaft when pulled tranny...

 

I read all posts and I've read some conflicting info on this. Are the holes the ones for the PS assist thing (that I read isn't needed further in the thread)? The trans range switch and trans filter housing appears to be simple enough to transfer over...Im just nervous about the drilling/tapping, as I will NOT be attempting to drill/tap anything on the transmission. I'll just take a chance with another 04-06 TL trans if that's the case.

If anyone could fill me in, I'd appreciate it. Mine is starting to slip going into 3rd....so I'd rather just go ahead and do the swap.
How much/little would this affect torque and/or speed?

I'm looking at getting an 06 Odyssey transmission.

 

The Odyssey tranny would cause the engine to run at lower RPMs at a given speed compared to the CL-S tranny through first and third. Since fourth and fifth is different between the two (Odyssey fourth and fifth is actually shorter then the CL-S), Im not sure what that would translate to at 70mph.

I dont know if its something you would really notice though.

 

Would'nt the odyssey trans actually let the motor/car have more top end speed?

 

So did anything have to be drilled or tapped?

 

ok, cool. Thanks.

 

Maybe, but the FD in the Odyssey is longer then the CL while 4th and 5th in the Odyssey are shorter, so it may turn out to be a wash.

 

Damn, need a response ASAP. Trans went out today while coming home. I can't drive my car anymore until I replace it.

Does the odyssey transmission need anything to be drilled/tapped? And if so, what?

I can get one locally, and wanted to pick one up tomorrow.

 

Neejay, I picked up an 05' Odyssey tranny and from my initial inspections, I can't see any major differences. I planned on doing a more detailed inspection tomorrow and begin the process of moving any of the parts on the CL tranny over to the Odyssey. I'll know more detailed information after that. I know I need to order some parts, filter, seals, motor mount...etc.

 

Thanks, but I had to go ahead and order one. I got a 06 AV6 transmission with 62k on it. I couldn't afford to wait any longer. I'm picking it up on Monday (already paid) and going to take it to a local shop as well. It's my only vehicle/daily driver.

I'm going to be picking up some axle seals as well.

 

OK, another quick update, from what I can tell, I'm not going to have to drill or tap any holes. I moved the dipstick and the front lifting hook from my old tranny to the new one. There was also a wire harness on the front driver side corner that had a different plug on it than on my original, but it was no problem to switch over. With some advice from Paul (NVA-AV6) I have decided to just remove and bypass the warmer sitting on top of the tranny. I will retain the piping on top of the Odyssey tranny that goes out to an external cooler. I took off the Odyssey piping with the intention of swapping the stuff from the CL, but changed my mind. Since I have it off, I'm going to replace the gasket and O-ring under the manifold for the filter on the Odyssey tranny, as well and the filter and gaskets. I'm also replacing the crush washers on each side of the each of the pipes. I'll be ordering the Comptech tranny cooler. I still need to remove the back motor mount from the car for inspection, since the front one looks OK. I'm also suspicious of the back motor mount because when I attempted to remove the top nut, the motor mount flexed and the nut is still attached. While I'm ordering parts from both Honda and Acura, I'm ordering parts to complete a pair of 2008 MDX power, leather, heated seats to put in my 1993 Civic. I bought these off Craigslist a couple years ago, and there were a few parts missing, but from my inventory of what's missing, for less than $250, I'll have two functional seats. I've actually got 4 seats, but I'm going to make 2 out of the 4, and I still need some parts. So if anybody knows anybody who's interested in some side airbags for a 2008 MDX, I've got 2 lefts and 2 rights that I won't be using...

 

Second day in and "Thanks Paul NVA-AV6" for answering the start of many questions. I have a 06 Oddy transmission coming and I started to pull the Transmission from my 2000TL. This is my first foreign tranny swap I have only worked on Fords and Chevys and the front wheel drive is a bit more complicated than I imagined?? I am struggling with some simple things like getting the ball joint to come loose so I can pull the axles. The shop manual shows a special tool to get it off but I don't have it and in the past I have just given my ford or chevy a few good smacks with a ball hammer and they drop out?? I have read and re-read the shop manual several times and unless I am missing something it looks like i just "Pry them (Axles) from the Tranny case with a pry bar???" I can't seem to figure out if it is as easy as that or I am missing something while reading the shop manual? Also the Half-shaft looks like it is going to be a BTCH to get to the bracket any suggestions? Well tommorow is a new day to tackle the problems.

 

I see the picture for the power Steering sensor in the shop manual but I can't seem to locate it on the car. Anyone have any links to photos showing some of the key areas to the Oddy Swap?

 

Just got my car back today (used 07 AV6 transmission), all good. Few things:

- They moved the trans cooler from my old trans
- They moved the trans range switch to the new trans
- They had to move the VSS (speed sensor) from the old trans to the new one. They said the VSA light and check engine light was on and it was throwing a code - so they put in the old VSS and it cleared the codes/lights

So far, so good. I *think* I can notice the difference in gear ratio/final gear...or it could be I've been driving a truck for the last week and also drove another car on the way to get my TL...could just be in my mind, but the shifts points seem to be a little higher.

EDIT: they also did the powersteering assist line fed back onto itself, and as informed from several people, I don't even notice it.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISY8bGof3bQ

Painless Honda lower balljoint separation. Worked good for me. Be sure to just loosen the nut, not remove it. I found that the higher I jacked the lower control arm, the larger the rachet handle I could shove in there made it easier.

I simply used a crowbar to pop the shafts. I did not remove the front section of exhaust as the Haynes manual says. Using different sockets/extensions I was able to remove the passenger side mid-shaft without too much trouble.

Power steering sensor? I have not seen it either. At this point, I've got all the parts transfered over to the new tranny. Unfortunatly I pulled the Odyssey's top hosing/filter assembly with the intent of swapping it with the warmer from the CL tranny, but then (with Paul's help) decided to leave the Odyssey piping and install a Comptech Cooler. So I decided to replace all those crush washers on the hoses and the gasket and O-ring under the housing. I've got a complete list of parts made up, so I'll get those ordered Monday.

I got the back motor mount out today to see if it was cracked, and figuered out that it was the front one that was cracked. A word of advice, on the back mount. Do not try to install it without the aluminum brace attached, the heater valve/hoses do not allow you to slide the brace over the bolt coming out the top of the motor mount once the mount is bolted down. The passenger side back motor mount bolt is very hard to reach. Can't get at it from the top as the heater valve is in the way. I got it from the bottom with difficulty. Good thing the tranny is out. Since I needed to get the aluminum brace over the top, I removed the other three motor mount bolts (easy), then rotated the mount so I could get the brace over the top, then rotated back, and put the bolts back in. Lesson learned. It came out of the car assembled, I should have put it back in the same way.

 

nice another '07 TL tranny swap.

 

Awesome Video thanks for the help, New tranny is still on the way and I found the Power Steering Speed Sensor when I started to lower the Tranny it is located up top of the tranny in the back near the firewall, don't know how I missed it. I am going to take a ton of photos as I start the process of putting it back in and if I get the time do a write up on how I did it for everyone else to see. Such a great car and people who got them new are letting them go for cheap now that the Tranny's are going out for a second or third time. My buddy just turned 250,000 miles on his and he treats his like crap. I should be good for another 100,000 miles after I get it in. 500.00 for the car 800.00 for the tranny and 300.00 for other parts and oil. 1600.00 cheaper than a new car payment.

 

Cool, no problem.

I didn't see a power steering sensor as I removed the tranny. Maybe I don't have one?

I ordered all the parts today. About $200 from Honda, $200 from Acura, and $160 from AutoCarParts.com for the Comptech cooler. I also did order some parts for the leather seats to put in my Civic, so you can't say I'm using $560 in parts for this project. I'm also doing the front motor mount ($128). After reading Neejay's post I decided to swap the speed sensors and trans range switch before I put the tranny back in. I added the O-rings for the speed sensors to my parts order.

Now I just have to wait on parts....

 

I just wanted to say thanks to the people who are helping to document this and possibly make a DIY or at least something with steps. I have an oddy trans in my garage and the only part im worried about is what to swap/tap on the new trans.

 

As soon as mine gets here I will take a bunch of photos when I start to swap parts from the Original Trans to the Oddy and highlight anything I find different. If I run into any problems I will be talking to NAV he has all the right answers since he has done it many times before. When you were talking about the trans cooler where does it mount and where does it tap into? Could you post some pictures of your set-up as you do it and post them?

 

Wow, the Honda parts came in the next day. I have assembled all the sections that I needed parts (dipstick, filter and it's hoses, speed sensors). I then changed the trans range switch. There were a few differences, but not too bad. I don't think the Odyssey switch would go on the Acura, there are different bolt holes and different covers. I suppose the real test is to adjust it once the tranny is in. One of the keepers on the cable will need a spacer and a longer bolt, as the case is a different shape in that area. Also the Odyssey appears to have a plug at the switch, and the Acura does not.

 

Can anyone tell me what two pressure switches have to be changed? NVA-AV6 told me he usually changes them but didn't say which ones. I bought a 05 oddysey trans with 41k miles to put in my 02 cl-p. I already have the trans out of the car and all I need to do is swap the parts over. Is there anything else you guys recommend changing before I put the new one in?

 

Well the 3G guys change the 3rd and 4th gear pressure switches. Maybe thats what he's talking about.

 

Yeah, any info on the 3rd and 4th switches would be good to know...I still have the tranny out. Now would be the time to change them. I have an appointment at the local Honda dealer tomorrow to get the driveshaft seals swapped. I want them in properly, and as I've never done it, I want them to do it so they don't leak. After that I can start putting it all back together...provided these gear pressure switches don't hold me up.

 

I'm in the same boat as you. I have both trannys out sitting on the bench in my garage. I bought new fluid, filter, axle seals, rear main seal for the engine, and the gasket under the atf warmer where the filter screws into. I should have it all put back in tomorrow night.

 

I am still waiting for my 06 Oddy to show up from the shipper so I am behind you guys on parts. Are you taking any photos? Or is there a link that shows a side by side photos of Oddy to TL comparisons? It should be simple to point out the sensors on the Tranny to show what we are talking about for those who are first timers. I will take photos with my Iphone and then post some when mine gets here, hopefully at the end of this week. Anyone got any prices on the sensors? I do not remember hearing we had to replace the seals on the side of the case for the axles. Is that a mandatory thing? I can't recall reading that anywhere but I would rather do it than not. Got a cost on it? It looks like all of us are on the nearly exact same timeline. Tranny's out and new ones here and about to go back in. Hey Nav if your still following this could you post a PARTS LIST of MANDATORY changes you made since I only want to do this once? Thanks to all of you who take the time here to post help so we can all save money and not repeat mistakes.

 

I think there were pictures in this thread but if I remember correctly, they were kinda vague, at least to me. Scroll through all the pages and look for them.


You just order the parts and just swap them out. Simple. What kind of transmission are you swapping the switchs? I could help you look for the part numbers of the switches.

 

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...OID+%28-+06%29

I see that number 10 and 11 are pressure switches. Are these what we are talking about? This page is from the Odyssey.

 

OK, I'm back from getting the new seals in. The tech said I should be OK with the temp and pressure switches. He said that if there is a problem, it'll throw a code. I am now offically on the return trip!

 

Well guys I want to thank you for all your help/info I finished the swap tonight with help from a friend that's on the board also (type JDM). Everything went back together smooth and it works great. No cel codes or anything! We didn't have to swap the range switch over, no drilling and tapping of anything, and I didn't replace any pressure switches since the new trans only had 42k miles. So far so good!

 

Awesome! I've got mine almost lifted up into position. I hope to bolt in in this morning. Then I'll continue putting things together. I'm lifting things by myself, so it's going a little slow, but progress is happening.

 

Nice to hear that there is less modification then I thought.

Props to the guys that are doing this in their garages! But we are still looking for a DIY-type step-by-step or at least some more pictures.

 

hmm...how hard is it to replace the pressure switches when everything is back in the car?

 

I am going to the shipper tommorow to get my TRANNY!!!! Yes it is finally in. I will start taking photos and point out what I can in the Re-Install of the Tranny to help out future members.

I am tempted to wing it and not replace any of the sensors if they actually match the connectors of the TL. The Tranny I am getting only had 24,000 miles on it. Then I am just going to do the 3 time 3 Fluid Change sugested by Nav.