Looking good, should go well. Let us know what you needed to do to make it work. I know we need to transfer over the filter and loop off the power steering and tap some holes but I don't think it was gone over too much here.

 

spare transmissions are kinda slim-pickings around here. Either get a pricey 06 TL or I can pick up a decent priced Oddy. Are TL transmissions easier to do the swap or are they all pretty much the same Honda series?

Just seems like more people are going for the TL transmission, so I was curious. If so, I might go the TL route and just try to haggle the price with the junk dealer.

 

I think they are pretty much the same. I bought an oddessy tranny and the case looks almost the same as my tranny.

 

So trans filter housing and range switch need to be swapped and some bosses need to be drilled.

Is their any holes that need to be plugged ?
Also what size tap needs to be used for new holes ?

 

I've been looking for that answer for a long time.

 

I'm getting mine dropped off to me tomorrow.
I'm sure I can figure it out.
But if someone can answer my questions it might have me save a extra trip parts or tool shop.
Hate being unprepared,It just makes thing take longer than necessory.

 

Anyone here complete this by themself ?

 

It's a shame that members Broke EF, jhornbr225, and The Big Bear did not follow through with any kind of simple pictorial write-up regarding this tranny swap; otherwise, you guys would have some specific answers.

I can imagine that it is a 'bust ass job', so at the end when it has been accomplished, they just drop off the forum.

 

Shame on me is right. I have the swap done, but have not really driven the car yet due to being busy, and it needs a timing belt. It is an 01. CLS.

I used a 05' Oddy tranny.

I needed to tap no holes.

I removed the "warmer" as they call it from the top of the tranny and added an aftermarket cooler in front of the radiator.

I added brass fittings to adapt to the odd size hoses to bypass the coolant path that went in and out of the "warmer".

I had to order a new shift cable cover as the 05" Oddy tranny one had been removed before I got it. I was unable to use the CL one as it didn't fit right. Make sure you get the cover when you get the new tranny. It was $20 from Honda.

I took the new tranny to Honda and had them changes the driveshaft seals before I installed it. The tech even screwed one of the seals up, I had bought the two seals myself. Since he messed one up, they provided a new one for free. Total cost to change the seals was $25 Labor, plus the seals I bought.

I changed any crush washers and O-rings in the piping on the top of the tranny. I also changed the filter. I plan to change the filter again after I do another fluid change.

I swapped the two speed sensors from my original transmission and replaced the o-rings.

I kept the Oddy shift range switch. The cover over it was different then the CL and the one from the CL didn't fit right. The plug was the same however.

I changed the dipstick to use my original one from the CL. The length inside the tranny appeared the same, the length up top appeared to be different due to the shape of the Oddy hood.

I have a bunch of pictures and a step by step of what I did, I just need to put it together. I was able to find everything I needed in either the Haynes Manual or online. For my swap, nothing was rocket science, and reading through this forum provided many of the answers I needed.

 

I also did not have the power steering hose issue that others have had. I had no hose at all.

 

Put together the pics as soon as you can it would be good to see a diy of it.
It would most likely get added to the cl info.

I'm mostly interested in seeing what line needs to be looped back on it self.
And I will be installing mine this weekend comming.

 

Thanks for posting that up. I have a 06 Oddy trans, hopefully it won't be too different from the 05 that you installed because it seems that it doesn't take too much to swap it in.

 

I'm in the SF Bay Area and have done this swap 4 times so far, they are all working fine.

Vehicles were CLS and TLS models. I used 05/06 Odyssey transmissions from ebay that ranged from $600-900 shipped.

No tapping or drilling any holes, simple and straight forward swap.

I will be doing my 5th swap on a TLS this week and will take pictures and document everything step by step.

If anyone local needs this swap done, or if anyone has any questions feel free to send me an email justinn451(AT)yahoo

 

Sweet, a local guy! Been looking for someone local. I have a 06 Odyssey trans sitting in my garage waiting till my current one goes. I'll hit you up when I'll need it installed.
I know your in the bay but would you be able to work on it out here?

 

I am posting to keep this thread alive. I've read every post in this thread, some twice. I just purchased a one owner 2001 CL with 104k miles, bad trans. Glad I found this info! I'm curious if there is a preference order on the TL, Odyssey, Accord v6 replacement transmission. I read the PS hose thing is no big deal but, does the TL trans have provisions for this? There are several options for which trans to get and I don't mind spending a few hundred more to get something "more compatible".
Peace.

 

I did the tl swap and it shifts fine.
Not sure about the power steering thing I did not do anything for that with mine.
But my pump has made like slipping belt noise every once in a while.
Since I swapped my engine and trans is.
I thought the pump was just starting to get to its end of life.
Maybe I should do some re reading about this.

 

So, I have an '06 Odyssey trans coming (51K miles on it). I've spent HOURS reading and researching. Hopefully I can get some questions answered here before I start.
1. Looks like the filter set up is different on newer trans (Oddy & TL alike) and there is a filter element. Do I keep this set up on the Oddy trans and just replace the element? I've seen the pics but, no explanation regarding this.
2. The warmer/cooler part is different in some way. Do I switch this over from the CL trans or keep the set on the Oddy trans?
I may add an external cooler later...Comptech? If I do add a cooler, do I leave the existing cooler/warmer in place?
I know I may need to switch over some other stuff but, these are my main concerns for now.

 

Most of your questions should have been address earlier in this thread. IIRC, you swap the cooler and filter parts over.

 

I've poured through this thread several times (and others). Lot's of off topic posts. Mainly, why can't the filter/cooler set up stay on the Odyssey tranmission. From the pics I've been able to find, there's only two hoses involved going to the cooler. The filter is just a cartridge type rather than the spin on type on the CL and looks to be in about the same position on the trans. Am I missing something or is it absolutely necessary to swap these parts over? The Oddy trans is on its way and I'd like to resolve this before I start.
Thanks.

 

You can keep the oddy cooler, but one of the hoses is a very different size so you need to find one to transition between the sizes.

 

I just used the old cooler because I did not have to make a trip to get parts but,But what I noticed was the 3rd gen tl cooler weighed half as much as the cl unit did.
I will swap them someday, since it's no biggie it can wait.

 

P0740 popped up a while back so i will be needing a new tranny. whats the best solution

1. 06 Odyssey Tranny
2. 07 Accord Tranny
3. 06 TL Tranny

(are there any others i'm missing)

Also should i just keep the cooler that comes on the new tranny and just somehow make transition between the sizes like NVA-AV6 said. thanks in advance guys

 

Thanks for the responses. I'm sure someone else will find this information helpful one day, just like I did.
No one addressed the filter question, I guess I can keep this on the Odyssey trans too???

 

I'm fairly new here but, I've researched alot. I believe '04-'06 transmissions from the mentioned cars will work. Some 07's but, Acura changed things mid year so some 07's won't work. I did not want to chance it. I plan on keeping the Odyssey cooler on my swap and filter too unless someone says it won't work.

 

Yeah, I'd change the filter. Keep it the same as what is supposed to be in the tranny you buy. When I did the swap, I went to Majestic Honda's website, they have exploded views and part numbers. I looked at the 05 Oddy, which is what my tranny was. I ordered from my local Honda Dealer all the crush washers, filter, spring that goes in with the filter, O-rings...etc. Some parts I ordered extra (filter, O-rings),because I knew that I'd be doing another fluid change after a few thousand miles. As far as the cooler, buying a tranny from a junkyard did not land me a stock cooler, just the tranny. I bought the aftermarket cooler. It was a little pricey, but I'd rather have a new clean cooler than take a chance with the old cooler from the original car. Plus if it was in the boneyard because it was tapped in the front, the cooler might have been damaged. Ditch the "Warmer" from the CL tranny, from my understanding, part of the reason we are having these problems is because of heat. Use fittings or change the hoses to bypass the CL coolant path when you remove the "warmer".

I still intend to make up that write-up and pictures. I gave the gist of what it took to change the tranny on post #729 or so. I still need to do that timing belt before I put the car back on the road. Although the motivation level has gone up as this is the wife's car. In the meantime she has been driving the truck, but now the truck needs tires. While the tires/rims were off the truck I think I'm going to have the rims sandblasted and powder-coated as they are rusting. That means the truck will be out of commission (up on jack stands), for a few days. I'm sure she'll be more than happy to have her car back.

All in all it was pretty easy to go from am 01' CLS to an 05' Oddy. I did it completely by myself. I did buy, before I started, a cherry picker (Craigslist $100), and a lift($$$). The lift is not required, but I'd recommend the cherry picker. Also get yourself the Chilton's Manual for a TL (around $20), it's very close, and good for torque settings. With having the lift, I was able to put the tires back on after I removed the axles and that left the car sitting nice and stable on all 4 wheels. Using the lift I was able to raise and lower the whole car as desired.

 

Absolutely not! Lockup solenoid code does not mean you need a new tranny. It means that circuit failed resistance test. It is very common for hondas/acurs to triger that code as the car age, but in most cases there is no actual issue with transmission

 

FYI.....
The Odyssey trans came yesterday and there is no cooler/warmer like what is on the CL or newer TL transmissions. In the pics I've seen here of the TL swaps, there is the same type cooler. I verified this on OEM parts websites. The Odyssey does NOT have this, also verified looking at OEM parts schematics on the web. There are two pipes on the Odyssey trans that, I believe, go to a radiator type cooler on the Odyssey's. If so, I suppose I could do an external type cooler (Comptech?). Anyone care to comment on this??? I will post a photo of the '06 Oddy-EX trans later.

Link to 06 TL trans schematic:
http://www.oemacuraparts.com/find-parts/Acura/TL/2006/4DR%20BASE/KA5AT/AT%20OIL%20LEVEL%20GAUGE%20-%20ATF%20PIPE%20(-'06)

Link to 06 Odyssey schematic:
http://www.oemacuraparts.com/find-pa...PE%20(-'06)

Sorry, the links don't take you to the schematic. The vehicle is selected, just use the drop down for "Shop Mechanical & Collision" and choose "AT Oil Level Gauge-ATF pipe".

 

+1
I had that code,installed lock up set, and went over the trans and installed a new filter and cleaned all another sensors/solenoids,and new trans ground and fresh fluid and the tranny was better than before.
And mine got to the point where it was slipping so bad the car would not even move.

 

I am new to this transmission swap business. I have a 2003 TL Type S I am considering a 2005 TL transmission. According to the post all I have to change is the range sensor, oil/cooler, and possibly drive or tap two holes? I really want to keep this car, but I cannot deal with the infamous tranny problems. I have a mechanic that is willing to do the swap, but I have to give him all the info. Thank you in advance for your time and consideration.

 

you don't have to drill or tap anything with that trans.
The cooler/warmer,the range selector,and the lead wire to the pressure switches because of a differnt conector.
That's it. 10 minute part swap.

 

Do I need to tap/drill for an 06 Oddy trans? or is it just swapping parts as well? I also heard you may need to loop the power steering?
19 pages of talk and constant requests of a step-by-step DIY and nothing. People flaked when they said they were going to put one up after they finished the swap.

 

I'm doing an '06 Oddy swap to my '01 CL-S. I have the old trans out and the replacement ready to go in, hopefully tomorrow.
1) I have not had to drill or tap anything so far. I swapped the cooler over (for now) because the oddy trans only had pipes that I'm pretty sure went to a radiator or external cooler on the oddy. If you deal with this set up, you have to transfer a plate over to mount the old cooler on (only 3 bolts). The filter set up is different so, you have to transfer the pipe that goes to the filter too. I saved the stuff off the oddy trans in case I do an external cooler (comptech most likely). If you keep the oddy set up here, you will have to loop the coolant hoses together with an adapter (my two hoses are different sizes).
2) My car did not have the power steering hoses here, the old trans had a plate bolted over the hole. The oddy has no provisions for this.
3) There is one connector I had to swap over (so far). It's very obvious which one it is (comes up the back of the trans). I have not noticed any other different connectors yet, hopefully everything plugs in when new trans is in. If not, I'll deal with it. I did swap some brackets over to hold wire harnesses but, this may not be necessary. I replaced the driveaxle seals and torque converter seal & O-ring (pretty easy) and new filter of course.
The dipstick & tube on the oddy is taller (out of trans) than the CL setup. I swapped these over. I put the two setups next to each other (dipstick in the tube) and noticed the CL is slightly longer (down in trans, maybe 1/8"). I made marks on the CL dipstick to line up with the oddy fill marks.
I used a library database that has Chilton's manuals and printed out necessary info. Not real specific but, good for reference. As far as removal and install of the trans, if you are mechanically inclined you can do it. Just takes patience and work (some help is always good). I've done a few FWD cars in the past (4 cylinders). That's all I can think of right now. I shall do my best to post a few pics of the trans differences.

 

I would try to keep the same tranny dipstick and tube since it is for the oddy trans and not a CL trans. Besides I think the CL trans tube is too short.

Thanks for the write up. Hopefully everything goes smooth for you. If you can take pics of what needs to be swapped or modded, that would be super!

 

After reading this whole thread i got enough info to try this swap even though i wasnt 100% sure of everything due to scattered information. I posted the below on my thread, hope it helps.


OK guys so i finish the swap and thank god everything went well. As eric5582 mentioned I also swapped the dipstick and jet kit over along with range switch, filter, and heat exchanger assembly. Here are a few pics i took and outlined for the guys like me who don't know much about these newer cars.


The GREEN outline point to the range switch, after removing i noticed the wires were same colors and plug same design. however the parts outline in RED definitely needs swapping, that harness uses about 3 plugs vs the CLS 1 giant plug.


Photo above shows the oil jet assembly and the fill plug.

When swapping the filter assembly you also need this line along with the fill plug.


Once you remove the top part of the oil jet kit,remove the filter assembly in photo above.


This is the Odyssey tranny with oil jet kit, filter assembly, range switch all swapped over.


Also make sure you get the cover for the shift linkage from your oddy trans because the CL/TL will not fit properly and will cause your shifter to be off. If your like me and did not get the cover with your tranny try calling them and ask if you can get one or buy one from honda at $30 (part # 24901-RGL-000)


Hope this helps anyone who is thinking of taking on this job.

 

^
Well done, very informative.

 

From that last picture it appears you are keeping the hockey puck looking "warmer". IMHO that's a bad idea. These tranny's were failing due to heat, and that warmer is keeping the tranny fluid at the same temp as the engine coolant. I got the external cooler and mounted it out in front of the radiator. I got the Comptech kit and it came with nice mounting hardware. it was pretty easy to install. I also used the fill plug out of the Odyssey tranny I got. It was solid, and had no hole for the jet kit. It was a newer tranny and with the re-design, it did not need it.

I finally got my timing belt changed, along with the water pump. I found that the alternator belt tensioner had frozen, so that needed replaced. I boke off a couple bolts, luckily nothing serious that needed drilling and tapping. One of the bolt holding that alternator belt tensioner broke off at the head, but I was able to cut off the ear of the tensioner, and then use pliers to spin out what was left of the bolt. I think it was somewhat frozen in the ear of the tensioner, not the block. The other bolt was the one going down into the bracket that bolts to the engine in the heart of the timing belt. When I took off the motor mount, one of the bolts going down into that bracket broke, so I had to replace the bracket, no big deal. So I did the belt and pump, flush and fill, oil change, new belts, new rear brakes/rotors. Now the car is back on the road and running good. It did throw a CEL light, but according to Autozone, it was the fuel cap. We'll keep an eye on that one. But overall, so far so good.

 

[QUOTE=Jaber18;13686142]After reading this whole thread i got enough info to try this swap even though i wasnt 100% sure of everything due to scattered information. I posted the below on my thread, hope it helps.




I am the middle of the swap right now -
Got '06 Odyssey tranny with 44k miles for $600 - will be great replacement for that crappy '02 CL type S tranny I have . I have a question - I actually thinking about installing an external transmission cooler - and wondering how am I going to tap that connection to the tranny since that ATF cooler/warmer is getting in the way.

 

If you look at:

http://www.hondaautomotiveparts.com/...E+%28-+06%29-2

At least I looked there because I bought an 05 Ody tranny.

You will see part #9 25801-RGR-010 is an ATF Body, passage. That should replace the one on the top of the acura tranny. Then the warmer has no place to go. On the acura side, my transmission had a Part #10 25801-P7W-A00 BODY, PASSAGE (ATF) which the warmer bolted to. I usually look at Acura Carland, they have exploded views and part numbers. These "body, passages" are under "Transmission Housing".

 

i am installing an external cooler, my car is not currently registerd so the only driving it will do is the initial test drive. after that its getting parks till i get back from vacation at which time ill get the external cooler as well. I havent looked for a DIY on it but if you have one please share

 

These newer transmissions do not have problems like the old ones do, that's why we are doing this swap. Heat was not a big issue in the TL/CL trans but more of the design. Of course heat doesn't help.
One area of question is do we need to swap the oil jet kit over? It was installed to help add additional fluid to the 2nd gear so it doesn't overheat and shatter. This is not a problem on the oddy trans so that's why there was never a recall to add the jet kit to that transmission. So do we really need to swap it?