By the way...a VERY easy way to get around the $0.99 iTunes ringtone bullshit. I've done it, and it works like a charm:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/07/s...nes-ringtones/

 

http://www.tuaw.com/2007/09/08/itune...mebrew-ringto/

iTunes 7.4 obsolete after 48 hours; 7.4.1 breaks homebrew ringtones

lol

 

Damn that was fast!!!

 

Yeah then like 2 minutes later 7.4.1 is broken!! You just change the m4r back to m4a!!! Apple's got some world class programmers over there!!
http://www.engadget.com/2007/09/08/i...nd-discovered/

 

so how do you make new ring tones in 7.4.1? put it in as m4r and then change it to m4a?

 

Ok so I need help. I've never owned an Ipod before belive it or not and my girlfriend decided to buy me my very first one for my birthday yesterday.

Only problem is that she purchased me the 30Gig Ipod last week online at apple.com just shortly before the new models came out.

Now she spent $249 on the 30 Gig Ipod. They now have the 80 Gig for $249.
She is sending it back to apple as we speak, but now I have a choice.

She told me that she will either swap it for the 80 Gig Ipod "Classic" or the 8 Gig Ipod Touch.

Which should I take? I've looked at the features and obviously the touch is awesome as far as I can tell. Is there any reason why I should stick with the 80gig classic?

tanks

 

Really depends how much music and movies you wanna carry around at a time. Personally I don't think the screen on the Classic is large enough to watch an entire movie (although you can get through a TV show without any issues). Some people like to be able to carry around their entire MP3 collection, in which case depending on how large your collection is you may want to go with the Classic. If the ability to surf the web and watch YouTube suits ya more then go with the Touch.

 

I'm in the same boat, though I was giving a Ipod Nano, when a bought my TL, I use it when flying. I never purchased one before because I wanted what the touch offers, widescreen, I don't care about the rest it offers. I'll be getting a touch soon, at the least for Christmas.

Most want to carry all of there music with them, 80 gigs will do that. I've seen people using the classic for watching TV on flights, they didn't seem to care about the small screen, but with the bigger screen now who knows.

You might want to wait a few weeks then check them out a an Apple Store.

 

He can't wait a couple weeks if he wants to return it for a new model. I'd say get the Touch unless you really wanna carry a large collection of MP3s with you at all times. There isn't an iPod on the market yet that will hold my collection so I just pick and choose what to take with me. Most don't have this issue and most will be able to easily fit their MP3 collection along with several movies on a 16GB Touch with no issues.

 

Ipod touch FTW!

 

ooo and 1k posts

 

It can be returned now, money refunded and wait until the new comes out. I don't think you have to exchange it for something right now.

 

ok im getting the Ipod touch seeing as how i dont own that much music as it is and will never see any reason to carry around that much with me anyway.

Also the ipod touch features are too awesome to turn down.

I will hopefully have it as soon as they start shipping

 

I have a 1st gen nano I've had since they came out a while back... I went to the apple store today to check out the new 3rd gen nano.
I like the form factor - it's like a used bar of soap, and looks nicer (IMO) than the 2nd gen nano. I like the return to the shiny black front with the polished rear (doubles as a mirror!)
The screen is great - looks nice, and videos take a little squinting at times, but are clear. The text in some areas could be larger, since sometimes it's a little too small.
The interface changes look good, but provide little value. The album art shows up in almost all the views, which is OK assuming most of your collection has it, but is sometimes slow to load, making the coverflow view painful at times. The games are fun for like 10 seconds, but I'm sure you can buy more if you wanted. The movies play well.

I'm still not giving up my 1st gen nano. If I didn't have it, I would get a 3rd gen and would be glad I didn't have a 2nd gen. It's a nice device but not worth the upgrade in my case. YMMV.

 

Jeez, between all your comments in here and the one in the other mac thread you should be called #1WHINER. The idea of paying for ringtones isnt apples. Its coming from the music industry who is crying that they are losing millions in revune by people pirating their music for ringtones . So, while I'm sure apple is appeasing the wishes of their partners, they arent making it too hard to crack either. Jobs' stance on DRM is well known at this point.

 

no clue.

 

comes with one.

 

http://www.hacktheipodtouch.com/

 

I went out and bought the 80gb iPod classic in black today. It's BARELY thinner than the 30gb it's replacing and that's only cause the black face on the new one is half as thick as the old one, the metal backplate is the same thickness.
So far I'm kinda liking the look of the glossy black of the 30gb better than the matte black on the 80gb, not that it looks bad or that the 80gb is an upgrade it's just different, I'm thinking Apple is running out of fresh ideas. Also the headphone jack, and the 30 pin connector are now black instead of white while the hold switch is also black instead of chrome. The 80 reminds me of what the 4th gen used to look like but it's metal and not plastic. I'm sure the next models will be glossy instead of matte and steve will claim it as the new hottness. When I was in the Apple store buying the 80 I was looking at the display model and thinking to myself this really doesn't look any different at all. I was wondering if they still had the old models out, I definitely wasn't noticing the difference in thinness right away.

I'm liking the new software so far it seems as if apple finally got it right but let's see if it can keep my album art synced with the right songs since it's never been able to do that even though my WMP album art has been rock solid!! Speaking of which there's a cool free program for you few windows users out there called music bridge, it can sync your album art, ratings, play count, etc between itunes and wmp in both directions check it out here http://thegreenbutton.com/forums/thread/34552.aspx . I used it to sync my album art from WMP to iTunes with the push of one button and now the basically useless coverflow browsing looks complete with almost all my album art. Does anyone else have the problem of CONSTANTLY disappearing album art with their itunes collection? With me it either disappears from my iPod only, gets aligned with a totally different band only on my iPod (for ex. I get the white stripes album art on an eminem song), or it disappears all together from my iTunes on my PC or in my iPod. This get real annoying after you've spent hours getting album art for bands (this was before the auto album art thing in iTunes but that still understandably doesn't get art for the beatles) only to see the art disappear a few day later.

The new half and half layout on the iPod IDK about it yet, it does switch to the the old black and white text only layout the further you get away from the root directory. A new feature I think I'll love besides the twice as long battery life is the new spotlight search feature, that'll be great but you shouldn't use that while driving you have to stare at it the whole time while entering in letters. I still haven't figured out why literally 90% of the photos in my collections look distorted on the iPod (both of them the 30 and the 80) this makes the the photo feature for me basically useless. As I've mentioned above I'm not huge on coverflow I never use it in iTunes and I don't see myself using it in leopard. It's just not a good way to navigate through things in my music collection I have no idea where I am by looking soley at album art. I get lost easily, the only useful part of coverflow is the text underneath the graphics but that takes up less screen real estate than the graphics making it almost useless and since you can't see the name of the next band until you make it your album of focus it makes the text even less useful and it forces you to rely on the album art which I mentioned above IDK where I am in my music collection by looking at my album art (I currently have 3300 songs). Now I may use coverflow if I want to show off but that's it I won't use it in real life, and yes I feel the same way about Vista's flip3d thing, I don't use it in real life at all (I find expose way more useful) but I may use it if I wanted to show off vista just like MS does in their commercials. Another feaure I like is the fact that music with no artist or album info now show up in the artist and album list whereas they used to only show up under the song list and when you have 3300 songs that's a real pain in the ass especially without the search feature of the new version so this is great. Let's see what else...umm you can turn shuffle on or off easier with the new one, the graphics are cooler if that's important too you. Ooo I just discovered the new about screen it look just like the bar at the bottom of iTunes telling you how much music, photos, videos other etc you've got on your iPod, i like that!! The new games? Vortex is a just like brickout except it's in a circle now, wow what an advancement in gameplay!! I like how it says infiinite loop along the side of the walls in the game, which as you mac fanboys now is Apple's street address. Overall the response is a little sluggish at times this is with the 1.0.1 firmware which was supposed to help (I didn't really mess with this before updating since I knew of the update's existence already) with this problem, I think this should improve over time but it's not that bad but it could be better. The new 80gb does work with my iPod kit for my car which connects to the "cd changer" in port in back of my stock HU which would've been a deal breaker if it didn't.

I think that's it!! Hope it was thorough enough.

sorry for the blurry pic I should be getting a new camera soon, that is if I didn't go out and be this new iPod today!!

 

Also the 80gb classic is 2.5 mm thicker than the new iTouch and 1.1mm thinner than the iPhone so if apple wanted to they could've put a HD in the touch.

 

Nice review. And sure they could have put a hard drive in the Touch but there's many good reasons for that. Biggest is that it could then make the Touch cost more then the iPhone and that would make sales very difficult for what they've told me. Time constrains was the other major issue. Pushing out the Touch when they already had the iPhone wasn't a big deal but making an iPhone that runs from a hard drive instead of flash memory would take some work. Making the menus and apps come up when working with a hard drive VS flash would cause some complains too. There are other issues but they are more minor. Overall it seems like a nice starting point. Sure lots of people will bitch up a storm and will say they won't buy til it has this or that. I have a tip for them. I hear the 2050 Acura will have much more horsepower then the 2009 model. It's a great reason to wait to buy it.

 

I'm under the impression that an 80gb hd is cheaper than 16gb ram. I just did a product search 1.8inch 80gb hd vs 16gb flash and they end up about the same price. $175 for the toshiba 1.8inch HD and $179 for 16gb USB flash drive from the same store. So I'd say it has more to do with development time and battery life instead of price. I'm doubting Apple paid $175 for the HD inside the my new iPod don't they usually markup the iPods like $100. I'll wait for the price breakdown from iSuppli before I cast any further judgement though.

 

You can't find 16GB of quality flash memory cheaper. You'd be lucky to find 16GB for the price of the entire Touch. Sure there are cheap 16GB flash drives but they're still $150 or so. The hard drives are expensive too. Basically Apple is buying them in huge quantity so you get a nice discount on them. I purchased a couple dozen iPods several different times just for their drives as you couldn't get them cheaper elsewhere.

 

the point is apple is moving away from the "classic ipod" hence the name change. They are moving into a total solid state media push, and when they can dump the HD models they will. All R&D is going towards this frame of thinking along with the touch interface. The reason they keep it around is because they do still see a need for it in the market place. Some people just HAVE to HAVE all their music them all at once. And some people like the total simplicity of the old click wheel.

But the honest truth is the touch is the future of apples thinking and so is solid state. Solid state has been coming down in price so rapidly the last few years in part BECAUSE of apples massive demand for it in their ipods. This is just going to push those boundaries even further.
It really does amaze me how much you praise yet, yet how much you bitch about them. I mean why bother then? Much of your review was a giant backhanded compliment so why not go with someone else?

 

I know about apple's path for the future. I don't have a problem with that I just think they're doing it too soon (and yes I realize that by them doing it so soon they are helping bring the prices down)and are therefore crippling their products. For example my friend who probably doesn't have a huge music collection is buying my 30gb iPod from me cause the 4gb nano she has doesn't hold enough music and she hates the hassle of manually updating her iPod and only being able to have a certain amount of songs on it and not her entire collection. She likes the ease of use that only the larger ipods offer and isn't that what Apple is supposed to be known for "ease of use". When she originally got the 4gb nano I was telling her to spend the extra $50 and get the 30gb but she didn't listen and now that she's had the 4gb she nows why I said it. I'm still not really sold on this buttonless approach, they're just something about tactile feedback that I find extremely useful. The ability to change the volume or pause/play or skip tracks while the iPod is still in your pocket is great, I guess they'll have to make a remote control that will hopefully work with 3rd party headphones to solve this problem.

I stuck with apple mainly cause of the in-car kit I have if it weren't for that I'd might've gotten a zune instead. I've been craving an in car PC with vista and like 200gb of storage if I got one of those my iPods days would be numbered. Would you trust a review in which all the do is praise everything apple or the other way around. I thought people like prefered an unbiased review? I guess I was wrong?

 

HAHHAHAHHAHAHA!!! Vista. If your car crashed as much as Vista your insurance would drop you. I didn't think it was possible for M$ to make an OS worse then ME (they sent me a free copy of Vista Business) but they succeeded with flying colors. If you wanna do the music server in the car you have to do Linux, Mac OS, or XP. Vista is a total pile (there's a reason that no government agency is going to it along with no major corporations). MP3car.com

 

**Rant** Me? I work directly with Apple but just because I've been using them since the '80s and they've made me $$$$$ from stock and software sales doesn't mean I care for their choices. I wish I could talk about some the the meetings we're had with them. I've used most of their products over the years, loved some and hated others. I think the Touch is a great device it's just a matter of how they present it. People (myself included til recently) have gotten to believe that they need to carry around every single MP3 and movie they own at all times. I've recently come to realize that this is far from the truth. I'm close to my laptop enough that I can refill the thing with new stuff if I need to. There's no reason I need to have 160GB of music with me (I currently carry around almost 40GB of my collection and that's nothing outta what I have but I realize it's more then I need for working out, road trips, etc now and I could really get by with about 5GB or less). More people need to start to realize that they don't need to carry with them everything at once and they can survive with less then all they have. 16GB should be more then anyone needs at one point. Your going to kill the battery several times over listening and watching that much stuff. Chances are your going to recharge by plugging into your laptop (if not chances are your going to be near your laptop or desktop before you can get through listening/viewing 16GB of stuff).

It's cool to see a company offer such a wide spectrum of products to meet different needs like Apple is currently. There may not be one that does everything that everyone would like and there never will. Even if the current Touch had 160GB and Bluetooth people would still bitch that it doesn't do 10x as many features. They'd complain that it isn't 802.11n, it doesn't have a bigger screen, smaller form factor, cheaper price, video output, GPS, radar detector, drink mixer, cruise control, parachute, prophylactic, etc. It does more then other players on the market. If it doesn't do what you want right now, wait or buy something else but STFU and don't complain that it doesn't do everything you want. Find something else that does and be quiet. If you aren't happy with the cutting edge then pay no attention to it, shut up, and go buy a '93 Ford Tempo but quit bitching about what it'd have to have for you to buy one. No one cares (especially Apple). **Drunken Rant**

 

There are plenty of criticisms to made against apple. Most of it is mainly nitpicking. I just dont think your criticisms hit on anything valid. You have to give the touch a chance to realize you actually don't need tactile feedback. I was worried about that with the iphone at first, but once you know where the "buttons" are then you know where to push without having to look. Its that easy.

And Apple is known for ease of use, and all their products are very easy to use. What you are complaining about is storage space not the lack of ease of use. Nanos, minis, classics, first gens, Any ipod with the click wheel design (save for the 2nd gen ipod) is the exact same in terms of interface. Ease of use doesnt change. And the touch and the iphone are just as easy. I think offering the 8 and 16gb is a good starting point. Being that I live in LA its very simple to find the statistics of how long we are in our cars on an average day. I gotta say. I dont need my entire music collection with me at times. Some people do which is why apple offers it. but 8gb on my iphone is plenty with 2gbs of music 4gbs of videos, a photo album, etc etc. And I can make playlists to switch out on the phone as I choose. And the touch will only increase in memory and people will make the change over.

Apple is giving people choices. The fact that your friend decided to not spend an extra 50 bucks for a larger storage capacity is her own fault not apples. I for one think its smart to not have a HD driven touch interface. Having HD failures on those would just spell disaster. The instant it happens to one person its going to be all over the internet and next thing you know everyone is going to bag on how "bad" the ouch is because some dude's HD failed.

I say get a Zune. They can be had for great deals.

 

Big fat fuckin

 

I also think 160gb is a ridiculous overkill, who has that much music? 40gb is alot too, that's more than twice what I got and I think I got plenty even though I'm always adding more. I think 16gb would be fine for my friend but she shouldn't have to spend $400 to get it!!

I myself don't have a laptop and I was seriously thinking about getting a touch as an alternative to gettting one cause of it's wi-fi access but I think I'll just wait until my phone contract is up next may and get whatever the new iphone or iTouch is at that time or whatever else is available from other companies at that time. I'll be fine with my 80gb iPod until then, I hope!!

 

I said it in another thread, but with 160GB why can't we start moving to higher quality digital audio files, such as .wav.

 

I've used the iPhone for about 30-60 minutes which isn't a long time but it's enough to get a pretty good idea of what it's like. I don't see how you'd ever be able to type without looking at it. IDK about navigating the iPhone without looking at it, I'd have to see it to believe it, not that I think you're lying. I think the complaint about HD failures is overrated, you've never in the past heard of massive iPod HD failures so I wouldn't expect to hear it now. You may not know this about flash but after a certain amount of writes flash starts to lose it capacity as the cells die and become useless eventually after a long period of time you're left with nothing. So when you go in and change the songs in your ipod nano you're shortining some of the cells life. I'd like to see Apple adopt PRAM or any other of flash's new competitors which will solve this and other problems, that's a move I'd firmly stand behind based on the limited facts that I know about these technologies. I'm not getting a zune cause it doesn't work with my car kit. When and if I get an indash PC my ties to an Apple mp3 player will be broken and I also wouldn't need an player with a lot of storage cause I'd always be near either my car or my home PC. So a touch or iPhone would be alot my attractive to me then.

 

You can have as high of a file as you want with Mp3 pr mp4 if you rip the disc yourself, you can even go lossless. As well as iTunes plus trying to cater to not DRM free but a higher bitrate as well. Now, I rarely buy music from the itunes store because of the lack of bitrate, but I would probably buy from the Plus store if they got more lables on board. I typical rip cds at a bitrate of 192 with ACC. For certain music, such as classical, I tend to go higher like 320.

 

Well you answered that question yourself, well at least in regards to Apple supporting WAV. WAV means WINDOWS audio video so that ain't happening any time soon. You can use AIFF or apple lossless if you want. Myself I consider myself a bit of an audiophile but when it comes to music played over in ear headphones while I'm working out, listeing while in an airplane or while I'm driving down the road at 75mph (in a 45mph zone ) compressed mp3 will work just fine. Now in a stereo or HT setup I'd prefer CD or DVD-A/SACD. You can't really enjoy the subtleties of music while benching 250lbs, ya know!!

 

I'm not saying you can operate the whole phone blindly. But the as an ipod I know where at the interface buttons are seeing as there are only 3 really. back, play/pause and skip. volume is a real button. and if I'm using the apple earbuds I dont even need to touch the phone at all.

:lol: do you know how many times you have write and re-write info to even being to come close to expiring the life of the flash media? You'll never come close to acheiving that goal. So, that point is not only moot but laughable. Plus, youre trying to say a HD doesnt have the same "limited" life span?

I myself have never had an ipod drive fail on me. I think I have been lucky, because I know many friends who have at least one drive failure prior. My wife's sister has had 3 in the last two years. I'm not saying HD ipods are bad. But I feel more secure with flash media. Less moveable parts in a device being transported here, tossed around there, moved here and there. The chances for failure are increased.

 

Another rant.... but they just had to make the back of the iPod Touch chrome didn't they? I love the huge screen for movies but I prefer not having a case, especially one that ends up scratching up the chrome anyway.

My complaints are hardly unfounded though. My 20gb iPod photo was rated at IIRC 10 hours battery life (new, played at half volume) yet barely lasted until 5 with little to no skipping and a full charge, plus the first time I brought it home I left it plugged into the charger overnight, just turned it on, didn't use it. Now it doesn't last even last an hour and a half.

Nonetheless I'm actually a big fan of Apple products. I really want a 8gb Touch, just too cheap to buy one. Just like Honda, I love the cars they make but I'll nitpick and bitch about every single one of them, even more so than manufacturers that I don't really like.

 

yeah that was a little extreme but capacity may decrease overtime.

 

dude, hardly.

 

Here I'll nitpick. The touch gets the black frame bezel, and iphone gets the easy to scratch chrome bezel. Nitpicking aside, unless you REALLY scratch the bezel its so thin it barely shows. The black just looks cooler And it is a bummer the touch has the chrome, but that is an ipod signature look. I'll stick with my matte finish aluminum back on my iphone :P

 

You probably think I'm the biggest iPhone hater after my previous posts but I'm jealous that you get the matte aluminum.

I should just get an iPhone already... but it doesn't have Wireless-N Wi-Fi.

....just kidding.