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Apple said to halve orders for iPhone 5 displays, possibly due to 'weaker-than-expected' demand
http://www.theverge.com/2013/1/13/38...5-parts-orders

http://www.macworld.com/article/2025...tml#lsrc.fb_mw
When it comes to Apple, tea-leaf reading is always in season.
If you believe the Wall Street Journal, which cites the seemingly ubiquitous—and perenially anonymous—“sources familiar with the situation,” Apple has halved component orders for the iPhone 5, less than a month out of its holiday quarter. A report from the Nikkei supports the Journal’s information, citing reduced purchases of LCD screens from Sharp and LG, and reduced flash memory orders from Samsung.
Given that sources seem to agree Apple is indeed cutting its orders for components, the real puzzle becomes what’s at the the root of the change? According to the Journal, it’s “weaker-than-expected demand” for the iPhone 5 that has spurred Apple’s decision.
In demand
If you find this perplexing, you’re not alone. The iPhone 5 had two million pre-orders in the first 24 hours of its availability, doubling that of its predecessor, the iPhone 4S. There was no slouch in actual sales, either: In its debut weekend, customers picked up iPhones to the tune of 5 million, compared to 4 million for the iPhone 4S. (Though, to be fair, the iPhone 5 launched in two additional regions: Hong Kong and Singapore.) Just a few months later, the company moved an additional 2 million iPhone 5s when the device went on sale in China. While those numbers may not be enormous improvements over the previous year’s sales, it’s not as though the numbers have declined.
By the end of Apple’s most recent quarter, which included the initial iPhone 5 launch (but not China), Cupertino had parted with a total of 26.9 million iPhones, a record figure that was up 58 percent over the previous year’s sales.
Of course, that last figure is where problems get introduced, because Apple doesn’t break out its individual model sales, and its iPhone line-up also includes the $99 iPhone 4S as well as the free iPhone 4. However, Apple chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer added during the company’s fourth quarter financial results call that “demand for iPhone 5 continues to outstrip supply.” As late as November, we were still hearing that overwhelming demand for Apple’s latest handset was running up against supply problems.
It seems tough to believe that Apple would go from supply constrained to halving its future orders in the space of two months, especially when those two months include the company’s usually blockbuster holiday quarter.
While we won’t have official numbers on how Apple performed in its first quarter of 2013 until the company releases financial results next week, Oppenheimer’s forecast from last quarter anticipated $52 billion in revenue and earnings per share of $11.75 in the first quarter of 2013, which compares to $46 billion in revenue and earnings per share of $13.87 in the first quarter of 2012. (The CFO was careful to note that due to the calendar, there was an additional week in first quarter of 2012, as opposed to 2013.) Apple, though, gives notoriously conservative guidance, and analysts’ average expectations are hovering at $13.34, just shy of the company’s previous year performance.
Multiple choice
So if demand continues strong through Apple’s first fiscal quarter of 2013, why would it drop off suddenly—and so precipitously—in the year’s second quarter? There’s a spectrum of speculation about what might be behind Apple’s cuts, and not all of it is about people not wanting the iPhone 5.
Writing elsewhere at the Journal, Matthew Lynley suggests that a number of other things could account for the company’s order changes: Apple might have ordered too many components; the iPhone 4 and 4S, with their lower price points, might be cannibalizing iPhone 5 sales; or consumers might be waiting for the next iPhone, already.
Lynley also points out that problems within the supply chain could account for Apple reducing its orders. Of his theories, this seems to have the most evidence behind it, as we’ve already seen reports that attribute the company’s difficulty meeting demand to supply issues. Reuters cites similar evidence, noting that some analysts believe the problems lies with an inability to actually build the phones fast enough. That could lead Apple to amass a higher inventory of parts for its current phone, even as it may need to look ahead to making component deals for the parts in its next phone.
Along those lines, Michael Grothaus at The Unofficial Apple Weblog suggests that this may be a sign that Apple’s moving to a six-month refresh cycle on its entire iOS device line. I have to admit, that seems unlikely to me—I suspect the recent third-generation to fourth-generation iPad refresh was more a case of the exception than the rule.
As with so many things in life, though, the likely explanation is a combination of factors. Price drops for the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S move fairly modern, Retina-display-equipped iPhones into pretty much any price range—and for many, those earlier phones are good enough. Meanwhile, rumors constantly have Apple on the verge of introducing a new model—the buzz du jour is that the company will roll out a low-cost iPhone.
And, make no mistake, Apple does face increased competition from the rest of the smartphone market. Android—particularly in the form of Samsung—has made gains in market share, if not in profit share. While not all of its gains may be at the expense of Apple, there are clearly some consumers who are choosing Android phones over Apple, whatever the reason.
But despite the day-to-day fluctuations of the stock market, none of this presages the demise of the iPhone, or of Apple. As my colleague Lex Friedman recently noted, it’s pretty hard to come up with any reasonable scenario that involves Apple’s doom these days. So rather than spend an inordinate amount of time staring at those tea leaves, you might be better off finding a more productive use for them—like brewing yourself another cup.
If you believe the Wall Street Journal, which cites the seemingly ubiquitous—and perenially anonymous—“sources familiar with the situation,” Apple has halved component orders for the iPhone 5, less than a month out of its holiday quarter. A report from the Nikkei supports the Journal’s information, citing reduced purchases of LCD screens from Sharp and LG, and reduced flash memory orders from Samsung.
Given that sources seem to agree Apple is indeed cutting its orders for components, the real puzzle becomes what’s at the the root of the change? According to the Journal, it’s “weaker-than-expected demand” for the iPhone 5 that has spurred Apple’s decision.
In demand
If you find this perplexing, you’re not alone. The iPhone 5 had two million pre-orders in the first 24 hours of its availability, doubling that of its predecessor, the iPhone 4S. There was no slouch in actual sales, either: In its debut weekend, customers picked up iPhones to the tune of 5 million, compared to 4 million for the iPhone 4S. (Though, to be fair, the iPhone 5 launched in two additional regions: Hong Kong and Singapore.) Just a few months later, the company moved an additional 2 million iPhone 5s when the device went on sale in China. While those numbers may not be enormous improvements over the previous year’s sales, it’s not as though the numbers have declined.
By the end of Apple’s most recent quarter, which included the initial iPhone 5 launch (but not China), Cupertino had parted with a total of 26.9 million iPhones, a record figure that was up 58 percent over the previous year’s sales.
Of course, that last figure is where problems get introduced, because Apple doesn’t break out its individual model sales, and its iPhone line-up also includes the $99 iPhone 4S as well as the free iPhone 4. However, Apple chief financial officer Peter Oppenheimer added during the company’s fourth quarter financial results call that “demand for iPhone 5 continues to outstrip supply.” As late as November, we were still hearing that overwhelming demand for Apple’s latest handset was running up against supply problems.
It seems tough to believe that Apple would go from supply constrained to halving its future orders in the space of two months, especially when those two months include the company’s usually blockbuster holiday quarter.
While we won’t have official numbers on how Apple performed in its first quarter of 2013 until the company releases financial results next week, Oppenheimer’s forecast from last quarter anticipated $52 billion in revenue and earnings per share of $11.75 in the first quarter of 2013, which compares to $46 billion in revenue and earnings per share of $13.87 in the first quarter of 2012. (The CFO was careful to note that due to the calendar, there was an additional week in first quarter of 2012, as opposed to 2013.) Apple, though, gives notoriously conservative guidance, and analysts’ average expectations are hovering at $13.34, just shy of the company’s previous year performance.
Multiple choice
So if demand continues strong through Apple’s first fiscal quarter of 2013, why would it drop off suddenly—and so precipitously—in the year’s second quarter? There’s a spectrum of speculation about what might be behind Apple’s cuts, and not all of it is about people not wanting the iPhone 5.
Writing elsewhere at the Journal, Matthew Lynley suggests that a number of other things could account for the company’s order changes: Apple might have ordered too many components; the iPhone 4 and 4S, with their lower price points, might be cannibalizing iPhone 5 sales; or consumers might be waiting for the next iPhone, already.
Lynley also points out that problems within the supply chain could account for Apple reducing its orders. Of his theories, this seems to have the most evidence behind it, as we’ve already seen reports that attribute the company’s difficulty meeting demand to supply issues. Reuters cites similar evidence, noting that some analysts believe the problems lies with an inability to actually build the phones fast enough. That could lead Apple to amass a higher inventory of parts for its current phone, even as it may need to look ahead to making component deals for the parts in its next phone.
Along those lines, Michael Grothaus at The Unofficial Apple Weblog suggests that this may be a sign that Apple’s moving to a six-month refresh cycle on its entire iOS device line. I have to admit, that seems unlikely to me—I suspect the recent third-generation to fourth-generation iPad refresh was more a case of the exception than the rule.
As with so many things in life, though, the likely explanation is a combination of factors. Price drops for the iPhone 4 and iPhone 4S move fairly modern, Retina-display-equipped iPhones into pretty much any price range—and for many, those earlier phones are good enough. Meanwhile, rumors constantly have Apple on the verge of introducing a new model—the buzz du jour is that the company will roll out a low-cost iPhone.
And, make no mistake, Apple does face increased competition from the rest of the smartphone market. Android—particularly in the form of Samsung—has made gains in market share, if not in profit share. While not all of its gains may be at the expense of Apple, there are clearly some consumers who are choosing Android phones over Apple, whatever the reason.
But despite the day-to-day fluctuations of the stock market, none of this presages the demise of the iPhone, or of Apple. As my colleague Lex Friedman recently noted, it’s pretty hard to come up with any reasonable scenario that involves Apple’s doom these days. So rather than spend an inordinate amount of time staring at those tea leaves, you might be better off finding a more productive use for them—like brewing yourself another cup.
I didn't read the article jup posted, but maybe they release info from these so called sources to manipulate the market?
Look how much AAPL dropped off that article, money to be made there.
And then when AAPL has earnings that may meet or exceed expectations, the stock shoots up. More monee there.
Look how much AAPL dropped off that article, money to be made there.
And then when AAPL has earnings that may meet or exceed expectations, the stock shoots up. More monee there.

I think WSJ is considered one of the most reputable tech news sites in the biz. I'm sure they're not 100% but usually what they say carries much more weight than any other when it comes to tech news.
It could be that the die hard fans got there's right after launch but many others don't think it's worth the extra cost. I know ive only seen 2 5s in the wild since launch, which is way less than previous models after their respective launch. Also when I've spoken to iPhone users they're not too excited about the 5. That's just my experience not saying that's a global trend.
It could be that the die hard fans got there's right after launch but many others don't think it's worth the extra cost. I know ive only seen 2 5s in the wild since launch, which is way less than previous models after their respective launch. Also when I've spoken to iPhone users they're not too excited about the 5. That's just my experience not saying that's a global trend.
Last edited by #1 STUNNA; Jan 14, 2013 at 05:04 PM.
I didn't read the article jup posted, but maybe they release info from these so called sources to manipulate the market?
Look how much AAPL dropped off that article, money to be made there.
And then when AAPL has earnings that may meet or exceed expectations, the stock shoots up. More monee there.

Look how much AAPL dropped off that article, money to be made there.
And then when AAPL has earnings that may meet or exceed expectations, the stock shoots up. More monee there.


At first I didn't see a lot of 5s on the street.
I used it at Vegas Columbus Day weekend, everyone kept asking "is that the 5" "it's so thin" "the screen is nice" etc.
Now I see them all over the place, so there is definitely demand for them.
I used it at Vegas Columbus Day weekend, everyone kept asking "is that the 5" "it's so thin" "the screen is nice" etc.
Now I see them all over the place, so there is definitely demand for them.
The demand is there. I see them everywhere.
But lets not forget this launch was a little different as not everyone was granted an immediate upgrade like the past...so people who want one are stuck waiting...and if their wait is long enough they know to keep waiting the next one.
Every one is just retarded for continually trying to guess and "know" whats happening and affecting the market because of it.
But lets not forget this launch was a little different as not everyone was granted an immediate upgrade like the past...so people who want one are stuck waiting...and if their wait is long enough they know to keep waiting the next one.
Every one is just retarded for continually trying to guess and "know" whats happening and affecting the market because of it.

You might be the exception to the rule.
Here in SoCal the 5 is EVERYWHERE.
6.1 came out today.
Jailbreak this Sunday (Super Bowl Sunday)
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Jailbreak this Sunday (Super Bowl Sunday)
http://modmyi.com/content/9871-could...ak-sunday.html
Currently selling my iPhone 4 32GB unlocked on eBay. eBay says the ASP for it is $300! Crazy that you can get all your money back from a phone that's 2.5yrs old.
I bet the resale value of the iPhone will plummet if it becomes available on tmobile this year
I bet the resale value of the iPhone will plummet if it becomes available on tmobile this year
Just noticed I somehow scratched the screen on my iP5.
I have no idea how it happened, but looks to be pretty deep.
I just have the regular one year warranty that came with the phone. Does anyone know if that will cover the screen? Does the screen have to be completely broken for them to replace it?
I have no idea how it happened, but looks to be pretty deep. I just have the regular one year warranty that came with the phone. Does anyone know if that will cover the screen? Does the screen have to be completely broken for them to replace it?
No server issues what so ever http://www.iphonehacks.com/download-evasi0n
reference: http://www.iphonehacks.com/2013/02/e...-released.html
reference: http://www.iphonehacks.com/2013/02/e...-released.html
Will try to if I remember tomorrow. As of now http://cydia.saurik.com/ is down










Whenever I see a 4 now, I think to myself "Dizam! That thing is a brick!"

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