Billiam

And lets also take a look at another graph from the same article...



67% of the Windows sales were XP. What does that tell you? Netbooks and corporate machines that's what. Not a valid comparison with Apple products.

astro

I will be the first to have one on AZ

Whiskers

Pass..

And having to close out Pandora on the Iphone when I want to do something else sucks...Its much better on the Droid.

Whiskers

Ordered?

jupitersolo

Funny ever post before that was talking about laptop share, you mention Toshiba, they don't make desktops or servers.

Mockenrue

Market share <> # of sales. A big part of the 67% includes consumers that decided to skip Vista and wait for Win 7 to burn in a bit more. It's like saying that anyone who isn't on Snow Leopard doesn't count...

Yumcha

Robb's standing in line with me right now.

srika

iphone sucks for playing any kind of music.

same goes for ipods, hehe

/audiophile

Whiskers

Say baaa for me....

Sarlacc

Nope they dont...anymore...

Because their desktops were the biggest pieces of shit ever, and the last PC I ever owned. Toshiba dumped their desktops and left everyone one of their buyers in the dirt with a big happy fuck you.

Sarlacc

Doesnt recession usually mean a halt in growth...

Mockenrue

I'm not sure what your point is, but Toshiba (laptops only as you said) still holds a 6.8% share of the whole PC market. While Apple's desktops and laptops combined only make it to 7.4% of the overall PC market. (stats from April 2009). Toshiba is small potatoes compared Dell and HP (over 25% each).

Billiam

That's what I get for skimming the article and not reading it. They were discussing both.

stogie1020

I am not sure which I am more disappointed with, the device itself or some of the arguments in this thread...

Yumcha

I would say growth for the entire industry as a whole in recession times not just Apple...but, still...workstations and laptops are what they are and important for alot of consumers in their everyday lives. So, there will still be sales...

Sarlacc

There was a time when Toshiba was considered to be one of the best laptops on the market (i'll never believe it) but there was a time.

Billiam

Stogie, you came here for an argument? This is abuse.

Sarlacc

YOu can still have sales without overall growth....its calling maintaining.

And what I'm saying is this holds truth for EVERYONE right now.

Mockenrue

Recession has nothing to do with market share which is just a percentage of total ownership (high or low). Hyundai sold less cars in '09 than they did in '08, but their market share surged (eating into the likes of Chrysler and GM). Any analyst will tell you that in a recession, it's market share that matters a lot more than year over year sales.

stogie1020

Very well, carry on.


to a reference less than 10% of the members here will understand!

Yumcha

At the rate we're going, I'm in favor of getting this into R&P...considering how personal it's getting for some.

Sarlacc

Any argument against the device is pure short sightedness of what this device can mean and has potential for and typical apple hate bs.

Everyone hates an apple fanboy because we really like the products and ideas.

Everyone who hates apple is as bad or worse than the fanboys and is too stupid and blind to realize they are just as much in their own little cult, because they think they are too cool to like something popular with the masses.

Yumcha

Ehhh...I dunno about that, man. No matter how rich I am, I'm not about to go marching into an Apple store just to buy myself a $1500 machine if my current one is absolutely fine. Even if the times are great and I just got great returns on my investments...

I don't quite agree with your view on that...A computer is essential enough in day-to-day lives now that when the time comes to replace one (i.e. too old, dead, etc.), it will happen.

You replaced your Toshiba because it broke or whatever on you. If it was chirping fine...you probably would not be in an Apple so soon, correct? Obviously, I'm not you but I would find it hard to believe a person would just spend over a grand on a new laptop just because, well, it's an industry leader or innovative genius if mine works just fine.



Oh wait...that's why I don't have a Mac. Because my laptop works fine.

Sarlacc

There is nothing personal.

You just people bashing something they havent even used yet, much like they did the iphone, yet most of them now own one.

Their arguments are as clever as "its an apple, so it sucks" to "its a giant ipod touch"

Yet when app store and what the device can be used for is brought up...you get replies like "it doesnt have HDMI"

Its the typical hate on apple with no real reason, so keep making them up.

Mockenrue

This discussion was never about financial viability. Apple is in GREAT shape in that respect. They rake in the money because of their high prices and high margins (and zero debt). Back to the point I made that keeps getting lost in translation: Apple's closed ecosystem is not well-received outside of the pocket-sized market when it comes to market share. This is not arguable. If there is a market for a very big iPod Touch, then this will do very well. If this is trying to be a tablet computer, netbook, notebook, or anything beyond a very big iPod Touch, then I don't think it will fare very well. But as I said, only time will tell.

Yumcha

Sarlacc reminds me of Balian in "Kingdom of Heaven"...

BraveDemon

But Sarlacc... it essentially is a giant Ipod Touch.... And I like Apple alot.

Mockenrue

I'm not allowed to argue unless you've paid...

jupitersolo

What's race and religion have to do with this?

Mockenrue

The irony here is that this "so called" Apple hater just got his Apple Shareholder meeting invitation yesterday. Actually, I sold the whole position a few weeks ago, so Apple was very good to me in 2009!

Yumcha

Well DUH...clearly, srika and I are not impressed with this product and we're Asian and definitely non-Christians.

The ones who are in favor is this big, black Jew and a buncha other Caucasians.







Totally...it's a race and religion issue.

Yumcha

I know Mizouse likes it...but, he's a converted Asian. We have disowned him and sent the word out to the rest of the world that no woman shall ever touch him.

Sarlacc

But with the app store, the developers, and the fact we are already seeing apple themselves make use of the 30 pin connector for accessories it has the great potential to be something more.

The handspring visors were just "palms" til you got the acceories and software on them to make them more.

stogie1020

I think that the device may ultimately develop into something great, but as it stands right now, I am not terribly impressed with its current, stated capabilities and don't think that it currently lives up the hype it was given by Apple.

And I don't hate Apple, I just don't have any practical application for most of their products, so I cannot justify spending more money on an apple product than a non apple product that can do what I need done. I am also not a fan of the closed system mentality. It has lessened recently, but it has historically been a lot easier to swap out things like HDDs in most windows laptops than it has been in Apple laptops until very recently (as an example). Then there is the use of proprietary connections, cables, etc...

srika

haha! that's great!

Yumcha

That's kinda my issue with most of the people who absolutely am in love with it...their argument on the potential. That's a red herring...Based on what we have right now, it's not overwhelming.

Sarlacc

I dumped my Toshiba because it was shit and I was sick of it and I was sick of windows. OS X had just come out and I was ready to drink the cool aid. I was VERY anti mac for a long time prior to that.

And read my earlier posts yum...I'm on my third apple laptop in 10 years...and not because I HAD to get a new, because I WANTED to get a new one.

Same with being on my 2nd iphone. The fact that I bought a imac. etc etc.

Sarlacc

Youre arguing growth and stock, that doesnt make you hater.

I sold my apple stock, too. Gave me the down payment for my challenger.

Sarlacc

Based on what the iphone was and what we saw it become because of the app store, there is no red herring. Its proven what this device CAN become.

Sarlacc

You're the biggest hater in here. Along with the biggest hypocrite.

You should sell your iphone so you can resume your pure apple hater gold card status.