Apple: iPad News and Discussion Thread
01-28-2010, 02:38 PM
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I dont know about pandora, havent loaded it. But I bet you can run itunes in the background. You can on the iphone....isnt that some form of multitasking....no....couldnt be....
People who buy this probably dont really use hulu they use the itunes store or load stuff off their home computer, or maybe hulu will upgrade to html5, who knows. The device isnt even out yet.
This wasn't designed purely as a stand alone device. It was still designed to sync with your laptop or desktop.
People who buy this probably dont really use hulu they use the itunes store or load stuff off their home computer, or maybe hulu will upgrade to html5, who knows. The device isnt even out yet.
This wasn't designed purely as a stand alone device. It was still designed to sync with your laptop or desktop.
Simple as that, can't say I blame them.
01-28-2010, 02:39 PM
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The blackberry did not compare with the iphone. Nor did the treo or any other of the smart phone devices at that time.
The blackberry was (and with some companies still is) a corporate standard in phones with the best push email client available.
The storm was made to complete with the iphone and failed.
The blackberry was (and with some companies still is) a corporate standard in phones with the best push email client available.
The storm was made to complete with the iphone and failed.
01-28-2010, 02:40 PM
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You've got it backwards there bud. He's hitting a huge fucking market. And that market - the ones that don't want anything to do with a computer but want interwebz access - includes people like me that work on the damn things all day. The last thing I want to do when I get home is open a fucking computer. But do I want to check email or look for movie times? If I want to do that and I have a choice between booting up my computer or just walking over to this thing, which one do you think I'll do?
Do you get it yet? Wake up !!!!
Do you really think that 90% of the population are computer geeks that care about multi tasking and all that other crap? Nope. It's more like 10, maybe 20. It's that 80% to 90% that are being targeted by this thing. How do you call that a limited market?
I hate to blow smoke up anyones ass, but this may very well become a model for marketing classes. Make everyone think you're going after a particular market segment. Then at the last minute swing your guns 180 degrees in the other direction and fire!
Do you get it yet? Wake up !!!!
Do you really think that 90% of the population are computer geeks that care about multi tasking and all that other crap? Nope. It's more like 10, maybe 20. It's that 80% to 90% that are being targeted by this thing. How do you call that a limited market?
I hate to blow smoke up anyones ass, but this may very well become a model for marketing classes. Make everyone think you're going after a particular market segment. Then at the last minute swing your guns 180 degrees in the other direction and fire!
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01-28-2010, 02:40 PM
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I dont know about pandora, havent loaded it. But I bet you can run itunes in the background. You can on the iphone....isnt that some form of multitasking....no....couldnt be....
People who buy this probably dont really use hulu they use the itunes store or load stuff off their home computer, or maybe hulu will upgrade to html5, who knows. The device isnt even out yet.
This wasn't designed purely as a stand alone device. It was still designed to sync with your laptop or desktop.
People who buy this probably dont really use hulu they use the itunes store or load stuff off their home computer, or maybe hulu will upgrade to html5, who knows. The device isnt even out yet.
This wasn't designed purely as a stand alone device. It was still designed to sync with your laptop or desktop.
01-28-2010, 02:44 PM
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That's where he's gonna hit a home run with this.
01-28-2010, 02:44 PM
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Bingo! You said it better than I did. If someone comes out with an Android tablet (or the upcoming Chrome OS) that allows all this stuff along with multi-tasking, this will look dated very quickly.
01-28-2010, 02:45 PM
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Yeah, I get what your saying. Remember youtube changed their whole format to work on the iphone. Possibly hulu will strike a deal to do that same. They have an app for mac desktops.
And there is a pandora app for the iphone. The question is can it play in the background like itunes.
01-28-2010, 02:46 PM
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It really is surprising that Apple has kind of a liberal, hippie personality, but the actual experience is limiting and controlling - for your own good of course.
01-28-2010, 02:48 PM
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Right again... this whole thing hinges on the closed Apple ecosystem. If you live in it completely, this works great. If you want other options, there are some glaring limitations.
01-28-2010, 02:51 PM
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I think a lot of people are adopting this mindset as well. Apple moved themselves up the ladder pretty damn quick from a company that only used to have a tiny 5% stake in the computing world.
01-28-2010, 02:56 PM
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Apple dominates the market in small media devices (iPod, iPhone), but has a tiny market share in the desktop and laptop market because most people don't want the limitations despite the better user experience.
01-28-2010, 02:59 PM
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Dont know about you but every time I walk by an apple store they are packed with people. Every display computer always has someone playing on them.
01-28-2010, 03:03 PM
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^ That's how I get my fix and realize that while it is nice, I don't need one. 
01-28-2010, 03:06 PM
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You dont have to pay if you already have them imported or ripped on your itunes at home.
Yeah, I get what your saying. Remember youtube changed their whole format to work on the iphone. Possibly hulu will strike a deal to do that same. They have an app for mac desktops.
And there is a pandora app for the iphone. The question is can it play in the background like itunes.
Yeah, I get what your saying. Remember youtube changed their whole format to work on the iphone. Possibly hulu will strike a deal to do that same. They have an app for mac desktops.
And there is a pandora app for the iphone. The question is can it play in the background like itunes.
01-28-2010, 03:07 PM
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Back in college when I used to mess around with film editing/rendering, I'd loath ridiculous Adobe Premier rendering times (around 8 hours for a 15 minute shoot) on my PC while an Apple laptop (Powerbook back then I think?) did it in a fraction of that time. I made myself believe at that time that I would only want a Mac for video purposes but wouldn't like it due to the lack of compatability with PC software. Those days are long gone now.
As for desktops, I'm not sure since I've never shopped for one.
01-28-2010, 03:09 PM
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01-28-2010, 03:10 PM
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The only reason push email works well for BB devices in the corporate world is because companies that rely on them run their own Blackberry Enterprise Server boxes. Talk to anyone that routinely deals with Blackberry devices using cell carriers as a mail provider and you'll likely find the BBs being just as susceptible to just as much crap as any other device.
01-28-2010, 03:10 PM
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01-28-2010, 03:14 PM
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Their desktops are trickier.
They've positioned their towers in to a very Pro user category and priced them as such.
That leaves the imacs which I LOVE LOVE LOVE, but some people are stuck on the all in one idea.
So, there is still the whole build and upgrade your own tower section of people.
They've positioned their towers in to a very Pro user category and priced them as such.
That leaves the imacs which I LOVE LOVE LOVE, but some people are stuck on the all in one idea.
So, there is still the whole build and upgrade your own tower section of people.
01-28-2010, 03:16 PM
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01-28-2010, 03:21 PM
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Yes yes, I know. The phone and mail apps also run in the background. When i say multi task, I mean that developers can't make their apps run in the background unless Apple says they can.
01-28-2010, 03:22 PM
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The only time I've really, really wanted multi-tasking is when I'm playing something on my GBA app and hadn't saved for a while, and just did something crazy like beat a boss, and someone gives me a call..... OMFG &^$%#@^%^#$
01-28-2010, 03:26 PM
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01-28-2010, 03:26 PM
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The more I think about it.... the more I think Jobs probably announced this product poorly. Instead of calling it a "netbook killer" or even comparing it to a netbook, they should have just approached it as a new class of device... i.e. a "portable internet/entertainment tablet."
I can see atleast a dozen other companies that will probably try to compete with the IPad in a similar shape or design. And chances are, those other companies will fall short... sort of like how all these phones are trying to compete with the Iphone. To date, there has been no Iphone killer.
If apple does continue their trend of improving future designs, perhaps the IPad can be successful.
I can see atleast a dozen other companies that will probably try to compete with the IPad in a similar shape or design. And chances are, those other companies will fall short... sort of like how all these phones are trying to compete with the Iphone. To date, there has been no Iphone killer.
If apple does continue their trend of improving future designs, perhaps the IPad can be successful.
01-28-2010, 03:27 PM
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According to research firm IDC, Apple has dropped from the No. 4 purveyor of laptops in the U.S. last year to No. 5 this spring. The firm estimates that Apple has shipped 12.5 percent fewer laptops than the same time last year, even as it maintained its 7.6 percent market share.
01-28-2010, 03:31 PM
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You mention one year out of the five he mentioned.
01-28-2010, 03:32 PM
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The numbers disagree with you. From CNET on July 16, 2009:
According to research firm IDC, Apple has dropped from the No. 4 purveyor of laptops in the U.S. last year to No. 5 this spring. The firm estimates that Apple has shipped 12.5 percent fewer laptops than the same time last year, even as it maintained its 7.6 percent market share.
According to research firm IDC, Apple has dropped from the No. 4 purveyor of laptops in the U.S. last year to No. 5 this spring. The firm estimates that Apple has shipped 12.5 percent fewer laptops than the same time last year, even as it maintained its 7.6 percent market share.
I'm guessing all laptop sales dropped.
01-28-2010, 03:38 PM
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Regardless of how laptop shares are...How does that really honestly factor into this product?
It's like saying: "Oh, BMW controls the entry level luxury market for sedans and THEREFORE, their upcoming crossover will dominate."
It's clear to me that it is not a laptop replacement...so, let's not talk about it like one. It's something that is clearly for a niche market and well, if it does well...great! Because the competition will sure to follow and voila, innovation from competition...
It's like saying: "Oh, BMW controls the entry level luxury market for sedans and THEREFORE, their upcoming crossover will dominate."
It's clear to me that it is not a laptop replacement...so, let's not talk about it like one. It's something that is clearly for a niche market and well, if it does well...great! Because the competition will sure to follow and voila, innovation from competition...
01-28-2010, 03:43 PM
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I wasn't pointing out the sales drop, I was pointing out the fact that Apple's market share is still tiny (less than 8%) and NOT growing (as you guys were claiming from your observations). Toshiba passed them for goodness sake.
01-28-2010, 03:46 PM
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You may have missed the context. I made the point that Apple dominates small hand-held devices, but has a very small market share when it comes to something you put on (or under) a desk. Sarlaac countered that Apple's notebook market share wasn't so tiny anymore, and I responded.
01-28-2010, 03:51 PM
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In other words, people expect more from a desktop/tabletop/laptop device than they do from a pocket device. Apple chose to market this as a multi-use competitor to the Netbook, and they don't do well in that space (market-share wise) because consumers don't want the closed Apple ecosystem in that context.
01-28-2010, 03:57 PM
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You may have missed the context. I made the point that Apple dominates small hand-held devices, but has a very small market share when it comes to something you put on (or under) a desk. Sarlaac countered that Apple's notebook market share wasn't so tiny anymore, and I responded.
01-28-2010, 04:00 PM
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True, and we all know thats how apple has always ever really designed their products. And because of it they always just work. I know PC fan boys get their panties in a twist because this means they can't go in customize every little thing. But I'll gladly give some of it up to have products that work, work well, and work together with ease.
I think a lot of people are adopting this mindset as well. Apple moved themselves up the ladder pretty damn quick from a company that only used to have a tiny 5% stake in the computing world.
I think a lot of people are adopting this mindset as well. Apple moved themselves up the ladder pretty damn quick from a company that only used to have a tiny 5% stake in the computing world.
http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/new...kes-mac-os.ars
01-28-2010, 04:02 PM
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Stunna , the talk as been laptops
01-28-2010, 04:06 PM
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