Fix for declining margins.

 

Apple.com shows they're still selling the MacBook Air but it looks like without any updates. Good news for students. Wonder if they'll update them later on.... maybe with iMac and Mac mini updates?

 

Its neat. But its not make me run out and buy one amazing.

The touch bar is cool, but I have my reservations about it. It does a lot of swipe to adjust functionality in it that I have been wishing for for years.

The swapping to thunderbolt 3/usb C ports all around is the biggest offender. I get why, but that would require people to buy in to more adapters or hubs. And for a pro machine, that's a big offense.

Losing Magsafe for the power cable is also a huge loss in my opinion. That thing has probably saved my laptops more times over the year than anything else.

All in all, I think with the performance upgrades, its great for anyone needing a new laptop. My retina laptop is closing in on 4 years old. But it still cuts 4k fine, edits photos great, and leaves me with more of an interest in an iPad pro for workflow with photography.

A big WTF is the entry non-touch ID MBP....So, they wanted a MBA successor, made that, and then released it priced higher than the MBA line? And they did this WHY?

 

Should have had touch-screen options, in this day and age. Especially given Microsoft's Surface Studio announcement this week.

 

x ∞


But then Tim Cook would have to eat crow when he called a laptop with a touch screen a "diluted" product that was "trying to be a tablet and a notebook and it really succeeds at being neither," and that it is a "compromise in different ways."

 

I see what you mean, and then there's the matter of the iPad Pro on the lineup.... the MacBook could have cut into those sales.

Stupid technology!!!

 

What'd I miss?

 

oh now this is lame!!! a max of only 16GB still!!! COME ON APPLE there should have been a 32GB option here.

I easily get close to and sometimes too close to 16GB on a daily basis.

 

Yeah, this wasn't the best. If they were the same price or maybe a little cheaper, with the current gen processor and RAM, I can understand it more, but Im not as impressed as I wish I would be.

 

Starting price went up quite a bit on new 15" MBP model vs old.

I see they're still selling the old 13.3" and 15.4" MBPs alongside the new models on the Apple Store, and for the same prices as when they were introduced 1.5 years ago too. No shame, Apple. No shame.

I wonder what the performance will be like between the old March 2015 13.3" MBP with 2.7GHz i5 and the new 13.3" MBP with 2.0GHz i5.

Mar. 2015 model = $1,399
new updated Oct. 2016 model = $1,499
or $1,799 for model with Touch Bar


May 2015 model = $1,999
new updated Oct. 2016 model = $2,399

 

I already ordered one. 13-inch, 3.1GHz/16GB/256GB while the shipping estimates were their shortest. I haven't been waiting months just to still buy the older model that I could have had in my hands literally since the beginning of the year. Price does suck (paying very close to what my 15-inch cost in 2011), but there's so much this old hardware can't take advantage of and carrying it around all day is getting old. I keep going back and forth on if I should cancel and go for 512GB (not really wanting to spend another $200), but that's why I got a 240GB Intel SSD a few months ago (good MLC flash instead of TLC) since I kept planning on not needing much built-in storage. I don't see it being a big issue when I have my iTunes library on my 2011 that already acts like a desktop most of the time and my old Dell XPS running as a NAS.

 

So no updates to mac mini and mac pro and iMac?

 

The Mac Pro users are hurting. 1044 days since the last update when they redesigned it.

 

I ordered a base MacBook Pro to replace my air that I sold months ago ahead of this launch. Was really hoping for new mba with retina. I guess this is as close as I'll get. The good news is the change over to type c should be easy as my work laptop is already all type c, and I have a type c dock at home. Supposed to arrive on Tuesday, I'm pretty pumped to have a computer again.

 

Apple was faced with the dilemma of whether to make the new MBP thinner and smaller or increase its RAM capacity to 32GB (which would have meant a less thin and smaller chassis since they'd need to put in a larger battery to address the extra power consumption). Apple felt thinner and smaller was better.

New MacBook Pros Max Out at 16GB RAM Due to Battery Life Concerns MacRumors Forums

The new thinner chassis probably also required ditching Magsafe as the chassis looks to be too thin to accommodate it. The Magsafe 2 port/connector is about the same height as the USB and Thunderbolt port which are thicker (taller?) than the new MBP's chassis.

 

So I was at Best Buy today picking up something for a client when I walked past the Apple section. There I overheard a man say to a saleswoman "I want the MBP they announced yesterday, the 15 inch model, please." I thought to myself well he's gonna have to wait a few weeks on that. This lady climbed a ladder and grabbed a 15in silver MBP off the top shelf security cage. She gets down and is at a register doing something so I walk up to her and say "Did he say he wanted the one they announced yesterday?". She says "Yeah." I said, "that's not going to be available for 2-3 weeks." She's all "Naw-uh, it's right here" and shows me the new cheaper 13in MBP (MB Air replacement) without the new touch bar. She says "we have the 15in version of this in Space Grey (which doesn't exist), I got in my hand, it's the only one we got." I look at the box and it's a fucking silver MBP. I tried a couple more times to tell her she was selling him the wrong laptop but she was convinced. I would've talked to the guy but I couldn't find him. I thought about going off on the lady but I just said fuck it and walked away. I'm sure the guy has brought it back by now all pissed off

 

shit like this is why best buy has so many open box items.


ignorant sales peeps..

 

I try to look on the bright side. Open boxed items = discount. And when that item is on sale too, they discount the open boxed version even more. Combine with their extra 10% off all open boxed items coupon....

 

I sometimes linger around Best Buy to hear the comedy. I know who's decent at my local one and who isnt.

In any case I ordered the 13 inch pro with touch bar i7, 16GB RAM 512GB SSD. Hoping to have it in 4 weeks. Now to make sure my wife doesn't notice the touch bar.

 

You're a half glass full kind of guy, i like you. I think We can be good friends

 

I think I once bought a laptop, returned it and then bought it again as open box.

 

Genius

 

 

Ohh yea no more standalone monitors by Apple. They're not replacing them.

 

But LG is making two monitors in conjunction with Apple.

 

yup. just no apple branded monitors.

people be whining about that.

 

on 13" MBP w/ 4 thunderbolt ports, the right side thunderbolt 3 ports run slower than the left side

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT207256

 

^^ Yeah, just read that. I can't think of any possible reason this would be an issue for me. or anyone else.

 

This is what pisses me off with PC makers and still using USB2 ports.

 

Yea, i remember back in 2012ish when they added USB3.0 to the Macs, they were like "we didn't label the ports blue to show that they are USB3.0, this is because all the ports are USB 3.0!" something along the lines of that.

 

Well for most people and your use, yea they'll get by fine.
However, considering this is a "pro" machine, there are probably "Pros" out there that this could be an issue for.

 

For the low end 13" MBP, the SSD can still be replaced. Its not soldered on like the Retina Macbook.

https://vimeo.com/189447875

OWC/Macsales had a tear down

 

The other models are the same (removable SSD) they just don't have one yet to tear down. Still will be about 2-3 years until OWC makes a compatible SSD for it.

 

I can't imagine anyone needing to be running 4 thunderbolt 3 transfers at the same time.

 

But if their are touting the amount that can be daisy chained, for dual monitors and hard drives, limiting those connections are stupid. This new MBP is not got to get me to buy a new Mac. And if they don't upgrade the MacMini. I'll be buying a PC for my needs.

 

You only need one of the port to daisychain

 

Like jup said, they're claiming you can daisy chain 6 devices on each port.

 

Right. So what I'm saying is let's say that you have 2 fast ports and 2 slow ports, but you can daisy chain 6 devices on each port. So you can put 12 devices on the fast ports if you really need, right?

 

 

Exactly