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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 01:05 PM
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OK, so tell me about MacBooks. I'm thinking about joining the dark side, but only if I can run Win 10 well in Boot Camp or Parallels. Well, that's my assumption. My work VPN works best via Internet Explorer, and for that I need Windows. I think to use it otherwise, I have to use Java, and I think I'd rather kill myself.

I don't have a big need for horsepower. I'm not planning on playing too many games. I need a good keyboard for writing, good battery life, and fairly lightweight/portable. I have a HP Probook 15.6 that is supposedly a perfect candidate for a Hackintosh build, but I was thinking of handing it down (solving another problem that recently came up). What I love about the ProBook is the keyboard, minus the fact that it isn't backlit (requirement). I'm not sure how I'll deal without a keypad, but the Surface Pro 4 doesn't have one either. The SP4 would be my choice on the Windows side right now. The pen isn't important to me.

So, sell me on going to the dark side. I'm currently looking at the different models.
Boot Camp or Parallels would be fine for Windows 10.

Don't do a Hackintosh.

13 inch MacBook Pro is probably what you want
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 03:30 PM
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Yeah, I was thinking either the MBP or MBA in 13" form. I would assume WWDC will announce the 2016 versions with Skylake? Might be worth holding off a few months. Although, I could get the 2015 entry MBP for $225 off this weekend...
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Yeah, I was thinking either the MBP or MBA in 13" form. I would assume WWDC will announce the 2016 versions with Skylake? Might be worth holding off a few months. Although, I could get the 2015 entry MBP for $225 off this weekend...
Best Buy has been discounting the crap out of them lately.
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 04:24 PM
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That's exactly where. I could get another $50 off with a student coupon, too.

$1025 for a 13.3" MBP 8GB/128GB. Hmm...
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 04:51 PM
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Going from a 15.6" to a 13" you may end up thinking it's too small. Go play with one at a store. I have a 13" MBP and will never buy this size again. Annoying that 15" start at $2k.

Ideally they would make a 14" like everyone else does.

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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 05:16 PM
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Oh yeah, I'll definitely do some hands-on research.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 06:40 PM
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Did my first hands-on just now. Tried the Air first, thought it was pretty good. Then I turned the Pro screens on. Holy crap. Retina is amazing. I agree, too bad the 15" is such a jump, but you do get a better processor and more RAM, at least going by the displays. Might have to see what the true jump is.

I think I could live with 13". It would be more portable. Unfortunately I can't know if the 13" would be livable until I tried to dial in with it.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 07:23 PM
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The 13 is a great size.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 07:23 PM
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Are you actually coming to SF???
Hotel booked.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 07:30 PM
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 07:58 PM
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Hotel booked.
At Mizouse's place
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 08:07 PM
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At Mizouse's place
Where the porn is included in the price of the room.
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 08:26 PM
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Where the porn is included in the price of the room.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 06:53 AM
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When my gf's daughter was shopping MacBooks the guy showed us how on Retina vs the non-Retina the programs open sooooo much faster. He proceeded by opening all the programs at the bottom tray. It was light years difference.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:27 AM
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Best Buy put some more on sale for $300 off. But they don't carry the 16GB/256GB model. I only had 4GB on the ProBook, and thanks to some memory failures, I'm running 8GB on my desktop without issue.

New 8GB/256GB for $1200, or refurb 16GB/256GB for $1440? Only 14 days to return from Apple, but 30 to return from Best Buy.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Doom878
When my gf's daughter was shopping MacBooks the guy showed us how on Retina vs the non-Retina the programs open sooooo much faster. He proceeded by opening all the programs at the bottom tray. It was light years difference.
If its on the Macbook, it has to do with the speed of the processor and the SSD
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Best Buy put some more on sale for $300 off. But they don't carry the 16GB/256GB model. I only had 4GB on the ProBook, and thanks to some memory failures, I'm running 8GB on my desktop without issue.

New 8GB/256GB for $1200, or refurb 16GB/256GB for $1440? Only 14 days to return from Apple, but 30 to return from Best Buy.
8GB is more then enough.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:36 AM
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If its on the Macbook, it has to do with the speed of the processor and the SSD



monitor resolution has nothing to do with it but I'm sure he knew that
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
8GB is more then enough.
Will it be for the next three versions of OSX (or whatever MacOS dumb name they're thinking of switching to)? It's quite the investment, and I want it to still have value in 2020.

Saving money is pretty important, though. This is my graduation present to myself.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Will it be for the next three versions of OSX (or whatever MacOS dumb name they're thinking of switching to)? It's quite the investment, and I want it to still have value in 2020.

Saving money is pretty important, though. This is my graduation present to myself.
Who knows for sure, but for the next few years 8 is good. OSX does a better job with processor and RAM then Windows and like Windows, the trend is to slim down the OS's requirements.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Whiskers
If its on the Macbook, it has to do with the speed of the processor and the SSD
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 10:57 AM
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monitor resolution has nothing to do with it but I'm sure he knew that
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 11:29 AM
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I'll say this, for basic tasks 4GB was plenty of RAM for my 2012 Mac Mini with 2.3ghz Core i7.

Only reason I upgraded to 16GB was because of programs like Lightroom and photoshop.

Plus the price difference for 3rd party memory between 8GB and 16GB was minimal.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 02:15 PM
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16GB is what everyone should have in a computer. IMO. Fact is ram is cheap.

Beyond that is likely a complete waste.

When I see people touting 64GB of ram it usually just makes me laugh.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 03:09 PM
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RAM is cheap, except when device manufacturers sell it.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 03:31 PM
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RAM is cheap, except when device manufacturers sell it.
and when its soldered into the MB
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 03:44 PM
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Think I'm going to hold off, as hard as it will be. Saw a rumor that the screens would increase by reducing the bezel. That's my fetish.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 04:30 PM
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here is today's casual every day usage on my MBP...



the big apps are Lightroom and Photoshop, which I do run simultaneously. I could easily use 32GB and I would hope the next gen offers it.
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Old Apr 26, 2016 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by CocheseUGA
Think I'm going to hold off, as hard as it will be. Saw a rumor that the screens would increase by reducing the bezel. That's my fetish.
Or if they just keep the same screen size and reduce the bezel ala the Dell XPS 13" & 15"
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 08:59 AM
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You're a top 1% user....occasionally...barely....using over 16GB of ram. Yep, #worthit

On my mini here at work...with PS, Illustrator, and InDesign open I barely hit that mark. Granted I'm more web and less gigantic raw images.
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by maharajamd
You're a top 1% user....occasionally...barely....using over 16GB of ram. Yep, #worthit

On my mini here at work...with PS, Illustrator, and InDesign open I barely hit that mark. Granted I'm more web and less gigantic raw images.
Yeah it's the high-res files that kill Photoshop - I can only open around 2-3 images in to work on at a time - I like to edit in batches but it's not possible on the MBP casually. If I had 32GB I could (and would) be "freer" with my app usage. And it doesn't help that Firefox and a couple other apps are memory whores. And before you ask, no, I will not use Safari.
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What's Safari?
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Old Apr 27, 2016 | 11:05 AM
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Well with skylake if apple decides to use DDR4 memory then yea 32GB could be possible.

Then again Apple uses soldered memory so
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What's Safari?
sa·fa·ri
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an expedition to observe or hunt animals in their natural habitat, especially in East Africa.
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Originally Posted by Mizouse
Well with skylake if apple decides to use DDR4 memory then yea 32GB could be possible.

Then again Apple uses soldered memory so
16GB is arguably "enough" for regular usage, though. ALTHOUGH, If Steve-O was still around I think we would have 32GB already.
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No, if jobs was still around we'd have 2GB
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No, if jobs was still around we'd have 2GB
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16GB is what everyone should have in a computer. IMO. Fact is ram is cheap.

Beyond that is likely a complete waste.

When I see people touting 64GB of ram it usually just makes me laugh.
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64GB of RAM would be SWEET
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