paz840

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White Sox officially acquire Manny Ramirez

interesting...

bgsm1th

princelybug

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I wouldn't touch Manny.

paz840

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Manny's got issues, but can still be great when healthy and motivated.

He's a huge upgrade at DH for the Sox and will definitely help them down the stretch. Shit, he just became their second best offensive player behind Konerko.

RaviNJCLs

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Unless of course he gets hurt again in a week or so.

civicdrivr

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Fixed.

RaviNJCLs

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princelybug

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^

madcaps

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I'm so glad Manny is gone. Sure he can do well when he is on fire at the plate, but that hasn't happened for quite a while now. Plus his defensive skills are something that are yet to be desired, just now Posednik (LF) just made a great catch in foul territory taking out some fans in the process, Manny wouldn't even have gotten close to that ball. He is where he needs to be, in the American League. Bye bye Mannywood!!

Sidenote: Another reason why I'm glad he is gone is now is that I don't have to see all the Manny fans wear those stupid Manny wigs at the game, good riddance!

Yumcha

about Manny being a ChiSox. It's interesting and sad that on week they retire the number of one of the best hitters and CLEAN players in Big Hurt, they acquire a cheat and diva like Man-Ram.


Oof.

Well, here's hoping he can get Sox the Central pennant.

GIBSON6594

You don't know the Big Hurt was clean Yummy, he probably wasn't.

CocheseUGA

It's a bit asinine to start accusing players with no evidence just because there were others who did.

What makes people assume Griffey didn't and Thomas did?

paz840

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While I agree Manny's injuries the last couple months have looked fake, I think he'll mash in Chicago to get a better contract this winter.

He actually put up very good numbers while in LA.
And he was never a good outfielder, you guys should've expected that going in.

CLE: .313/.407/.998, 1 HR per 15 PA
BOS: .312/.411/.999, 1 per PA 17 PA
LAD: .322/.433/1.012, 1 HR per 17 PA

Yumcha

Ripken, Thome, Thomas, Maddux, Buerhle are some of the players I can name who I vehemently believe were clean..

But, that's another debate perhaps for another day and another revisited topic.

Yumcha

That's the thinking...he's going to be motivated for another contract, so, if anything, Ozzie et al are going to get a seemingly productive guy for the stretch run.


That doesn't solve some of the pitching problems from the bullpen that has made me go ape-turd...but, hey...it's some progress.

paz840

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Add Tony Gwynn Sr. and David Eckstein.

GIBSON6594

Do you believe in the Easter Bunny too?

Just because they may have been "good guys" doesn't mean they didn't take steroids.

CocheseUGA

Doesn't mean your heroes from the 70s didn't take amphetamines, either. Let's start lumping them in with your broad brush.

Yumcha

Not plausible.

More or less, the cheats fit the bill...look at their behavior, the way they duck the questions on testing...

Then, you have the ones who I believe are clean who are openly fine to testing.



And oh, to Gywnn...and also add in players like Paulie Konerko in there.

GIBSON6594

what are you talking about?

Heroes from the 70's??

GIBSON6594

Calling them cutesie names like Paulie and thinking that they are fine with testing because they are old or retired still doesn't mean they didn't take steroids. You're convincing yourself these people are better than they really are because they are idolized by so many. They are just people, people that realize the lifespan of a ballplayer is short.

You look at it as cheating, but they don't. Those who took/take steroids don't do it so they can win, they do it so they can play. This may be a game to you and me, but to them it's a career and a life. They do what they need to do to keep playing as long as possible and to make as much money as possible.

You think steroids wouldn't have helped your sacred Cal Ripken Jr. avoid injury all those years while becoming the iron man?

CocheseUGA

You want to lump everyone in from this era as possibly taking performance enhancing drugs, let's expand the scope to those who were doing it much earlier.

GIBSON6594

Fine with me. You have to convince a player didn't do it, not the other way around.

I still don't know what heroes of mine from the 70's you're talking about though.

CocheseUGA

That's your flawed logic, not mine.

GIBSON6594

It's not logic, it's theory.

How is it flawed?

And what were those heroes of mine from the 70's you were talking about?

CocheseUGA

Innocent until proven guilty?

And I wasn't referring to you specifically doofus.

GIBSON6594

Ok, so who says my personal theories about those who use steroids have to conform with the U.S. justice system?

CocheseUGA

Never said it did. But unless you are using an all or nothing approach, how do you decide who is and who isn't taking?

GIBSON6594

Simple, I use an all or nothing approach. My thoughts in post 741 explain further as to why I feel this way.

No, I'm not dumb enough to say that every player in the league does steroids, but it seems that people's thoughts and reactions are that only a select few of the "mean" ballplayers (A-rod, Clemens, Bonds) are the only ones that juiced. That is almost as dumb as thinking that every player juiced.

hdcolumbus

Aroldis Chapman made his second appearance for the Reds last night and bettered his debut 102.7MPH pitch by throwing 104MPH He also has a 90MPH slider and got his first win.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgy7ghBWs4c

CocheseUGA

So everyone cheated and therefore no one deserves our praise or inclusion into the hall?

GIBSON6594

No, you're confusing my feelings towards steroids. I have no problems with them. I praise and respect players who take steroids and those who don't because I don't feel steroids make you a good or bad baseball player.

I would easily let those who have taken steroids into the hall if their numbers reflect admission.

jupitersolo

I really hope this kid is throwing correctly and doesn't blow his arm out like Strasburg did.

nbennettksu

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c'mon Bravos. It looks like the Mets will get one on us

CocheseUGA

You stay classy, Loria.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...html?eref=sihp

Yumcha

Well, still have my reservations about Manny being a ChiSox...but, at least he's not hurting the team. 7 for 16 since joining and the Sox are 7-0.

Yumcha

Maybe they can catch those Twips soon.

bgsm1th

...yet still not gaining any ground on the first place team in your division. That's too bad.

Doom878

Yumcha