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Old 08-13-2009, 10:58 AM
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That's pathetic. Dude deserves an ass whipping from Ryan Howard
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we might be assholes, but we dont do that. that shit is just wrong, totally uncalled for. even if you hate philadelphia teams you have to admit that shit is just pathetic.
you're right, philly fans only throw D batteries and point lasers at opposing batters
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Are you frickin' serious!?!?

Old helmets are rated to 70 mph; new ones are safety rated to 100 mph. But some players won't wear it because it's ugly?

Who the hell throws 70 mph anymore?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/sp.../13helmet.html

Three weeks after absorbing the potentially deadly impact of a 93-mile-per-hour fastball on his batting helmet, Edgar Gonzalez still feels dizzy whenever he lies down. Because of the lingering effects of a concussion, Gonzalez, a second baseman for the San Diego Padres, has not played since that experience. When he finally returns, it may be with the newest protective device, one that could one day come to define the look of a major league batter.

Rawlings is about to introduce its newest batting helmet, the S100, a bulkier but far more protective helmet that can withstand the impact of a 100-m.p.h. fastball, according to Rawlings and an independent testing organization. Most other models, when hit flush by a ball, are compromised at speeds in excess of 70 m.p.h.

As helpful as the new helmet may be, there is resistance to it from some major league players who are not prepared to sacrifice comfort and style for added protection. Gonzalez is not among them. “After this happened to me, I would wear anything,” he said. “I don’t care how goofy it is, as long as it could help protect me.”

Gonzalez and others who choose to wear the new model could become pioneers like Ron Santo, one of the first to wear a batting helmet with an earflap, or Jacques Plante, the first hockey goalie to wear a face mask on a regular basis.

Major league players are a fearless and traditional bunch, and for many any kind of change, even for the sake of safety, is anathema.

“No, I am absolutely not wearing that,” Mets right fielder Jeff Francoeur said with a laugh after seeing a prototype, as if he were being asked to put a pumpkin on his head. “I could care less what they say, I’m not wearing it. There’s got to be a way to have a more protective helmet without all that padding. It’s brutal. We’re going to look like a bunch of clowns out there.”

Among a small, informal sampling of players, several said they would likely stick with their current model, even though the S100 has been proved more effective in independent laboratory testing. In the eyes of some major league players, it is just too bulky, too heavy and too geeky-looking.

“I want a helmet that’s comfortable,” Athletics infielder Nomar Garciaparra said, “and that doesn’t look bad.”

Yankee first baseman Mark Teixeira said the new helmet would make him feel as if he were wearing a football helmet in the batter’s box.

“The one I’ve used for my entire career is fine,” he said.

Francoeur took a Brad Penny fastball in the helmet this season and, as he said, “lived to tell the tale.” Even Gonzalez escaped a catastrophic head injury with his old model.

David Halstead is the technical director for the National Operating Committee on Standards for Athletic Equipment, an independent organization that sets safety standards. Halstead said a vast majority of helmets used by major league players are not certified by his organization because they do not have enough interior padding and do not have two earflaps.

“Major league players do not play with a helmet that meets any standards,” he said. “It’s remarkable to me. Once the earflap is removed, it can’t be certified.”

Halstead said that a ball traveling a mere 32 m.p.h. that hits an unprotected head flush will “result in a skull fracture every time.” So what happens when a ball leaves the hand at 90 m.p.h. and hits a helmet? Usually it hurts a lot, and it may result in a concussion. But it rarely causes a fracture.

The reason is that a player who gets hit with a 90-m.p.h. fastball is usually experienced enough to avoid a direct hit and ensure the impact is only a glancing blow. In 24 years of work with the committee on athletic equipment and as co-founder of the Southern Impact Research Center, Halstead said he had seen only three skull fractures from a pitched ball, and two were in girls softball.

The third occurred this season with a player in the Orioles’ minor league system. Halstead examined that helmet and found no structural damage. He said there was a good possibility it did not fit properly and, when the player moved to avoid the pitch, the helmet shifted and the ball may have hit directly against the head.

“If he had been wearing the S100 and it fit properly, he wouldn’t have had a skull fracture,” Halstead said.

The S100 — so named because it can withstand the impact of a ball fired at 100 m.p.h. from 24 inches away — has a layer of expanded polypropylene, the hard, foamlike material used in bicycle helmets.

The helmet also has a composite insert strip built into the frame that helps the helmet retain its protective oval shape upon impact. Even if current major leaguers balk at wearing the bulkier new helmet now, Rawlings is banking on the idea that minor leaguers, as well as high school and college players, will convert to it and the helmet will work its way into the major leagues as they are promoted.

“Our position is to offer the safest helmet on the market,” said Mike Thompson, Rawlings’s vice president for marketing and business development. “If they elect to wear it, that’s their choice.”

To meet the standards of the committee on athletic equipment, helmets must withstand the direct impact of a baseball fired out of an air cannon at 60 m.p.h. from 24 inches away. Most helmets will be dented at 70 m.p.h., but Halstead recently tested the S100 in his Knoxville, Tenn., laboratory. It withstood pitches at 100 m.p.h.

Now, he is making his 8-year-old son, Sean, wear it for Little League games.

But it is hard to predict the number of professionals who will convert to using it.

“If it provides more protection, then I’m all for it,” said Mets third baseman David Wright, who last week dodged a Brad Thompson fastball traveling on a frightening vector toward his head. “I’m not worried about style or looking good out there. I’m worried about keeping my melon protected.”
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I bet Adrian Beltre wishes somebody had made a cup more comfortable so that he'd wear one



Anyways, look at Jonny Gomes and his 3 homerun game
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I was watching the Victorino video again, looks like the wrong dude got thrown out no?
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Originally Posted by Q1911
I was watching the Victorino video again, looks like the wrong dude got thrown out no?
Yeah I think I read he was just heckling him and got blamed...he looked wasted

I think the kid that actually did it turned himself in...some 21-year-old.
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Big series starting tonight - Rangers vs Bosox. I think the Rangers will come out of the series with the wildcard lead
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Originally Posted by imj0257
Big series starting tonight - Rangers vs Bosox. I think the Rangers will come out of the series with the wildcard lead
I hope so.
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they fucking blew BAD last night. they better not do the same tonight.
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Originally Posted by NetEditor
Are you frickin' serious!?!?

Old helmets are rated to 70 mph; new ones are safety rated to 100 mph. But some players won't wear it because it's ugly?

Who the hell throws 70 mph anymore?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/13/sp.../13helmet.html
Would have benefited David Wright.

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/art...=.jsp&c_id=nym
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Wright was hit with a 93 pmh fastball in the helmet. That same night, Kinsler was hit with a 91 mph fastball also in the helmet, yet Wright is on the DL and Kinsler came back the next day and even hit a home run.
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Originally Posted by imj0257
Wright was hit with a 93 pmh fastball in the helmet. That same night, Kinsler was hit with a 91 mph fastball also in the helmet, yet Wright is on the DL and Kinsler came back the next day and even hit a home run.
Yea, but one thing has nothing to do with the other. It's not logical to say that a new helmet wouldn't have helped Wright.
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Originally Posted by imj0257
Wright was hit with a 93 pmh fastball in the helmet. That same night, Kinsler was hit with a 91 mph fastball also in the helmet, yet Wright is on the DL and Kinsler came back the next day and even hit a home run.
The one that hit Wright to me seemed to be more square on the temple. It bounced back towards the first base side. The one that hit Kinsler was just as hard but seemed to glance off more. Maybe he was just a little more lucky. If you're implying that Wright is pretending to be hurt or something, I don't know that I agree with you on that. The guy missed less than 20 games in his entire big league career.
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^ No I'm not at all implying to say that Wright is faking it. He obviously looked fk'd up after laying on the ground for 2 minutes. I'm just wondering how both were hit on the head yet one is fine and one got it much worse... Was Wright using an old helmet and Kinsler a new one?
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Originally Posted by imj0257
^ No I'm not at all implying to say that Wright is faking it. He obviously looked fk'd up after laying on the ground for 2 minutes. I'm just wondering how both were hit on the head yet one is fine and one got it much worse... Was Wright using an old helmet and Kinsler a new one?
Like Ravi said I think it's just the angle the ball hits you at and where exactly it hits you at. Scott Rolen got hit right in the temple and like Wright he had to go on the DL with post-concussion symptoms.

Look at the ball that hit Kuroda the other night without a helmet that was probably traveling 90+ m.p.h. when it hit him. He just got lucky and it glanced off of him.

In the story I was reading on him they said that if a ball hits you and falls straight down it means it hit you square and your body absorbed more of the energy than if it glances off and flies away.
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I see... Must have been the angle then.

Rangers keep on truckin'! I can't believe I am saying this but I am starting to actually watch some Rangers games and MIGHT eventually become somewhat of a fan of them, now that they actually have something to play for and are a decent team.
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Rangers acquire Pudge from Astros

http://mlb.fanhouse.com/2009/08/18/i...-matt-nevarez/
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I guess the logic is that the team ERA will drop with Pudge behind the plate.
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Smoltz to sign with Cardinals as 5th starter

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/spo...A?OpenDocument

...maybe Dave Duncan can turn his season around
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Thank goodness the Cubbies stripped Gregg of closer duties...the guy am the suck!
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^Marmol's not any better...52 walks and 11 hit batters in 56 innings
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At least they don't have Lidge. Philly probably would have clinched the east if it wasn't for him. Although you can't hate him for last year. He must've made a deal with the devil.
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Thank goodness the Cubbies stripped Gregg of closer duties...the guy am the suck!


Cubs
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Let's go Rangers! I've been a fan for years and it's good seeing them in the race for the playoffs!! A little over 40 games left and we are looking good!!
Hopefully Chris Davis will be ready to come back up just in time for the postseason!!
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And the medical staff....

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At least the Wilpons didn't freak and can Minaya. But next year is make or break. I think some trainers/medical staff will get fired. Doesn't that usually happen on teams with tons of injuries?
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Rangers > Yankees. Let's do it again! and also hope the Angels and Bosox lose!
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Originally Posted by imj0257
Rangers > Yankees. Let's do it again! and also hope the Angels and Bosox lose!
We are only losing so Rangers can overtake the wildcard spot from Boston.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
At least the Wilpons didn't freak and can Minaya. But next year is make or break. I think some trainers/medical staff will get fired. Doesn't that usually happen on teams with tons of injuries?
I feel that Minaya has done a fair job here. He made some good trades and acquisitions. Before this season's mess, my only complaint was that there was nothing done to help strengthen the team at the trade deadlines the last 2 years.

I also think that you give a drowning man a glimmer of hope, he will fight to avoid drowning. And in Minaya's case, I hope that the small vote of confidence that the Wilpons give him is enough to have him work his tail off to get some good people to use up the money they will have by not having to pay Wagner, Delgado and Schneider and get some quality young players. I think he will have almost $30 million just in those 3.
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rangers are this years devil rays! they gunna go deep into the playoffs!
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Okay...since the Mets want everyone, do they want Zambrano? Gregg? Soriano? Bradley...?

Will trade for a bag of baseballs and a couple of bats.
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Originally Posted by Yumchah
Okay...since the Mets want everyone, do they want Zambrano? Gregg? Soriano? Bradley...?

Will trade for a bag of baseballs and a couple of bats.
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Trade 'em for your GM, Gibs...
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Trade 'em for your GM, Gibs...
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Fine. I'll see if the Yanks want 'em. They want everyone including the kitchen sink too.
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Originally Posted by Doom878
At least the Wilpons didn't freak and can Minaya. But next year is make or break. I think some trainers/medical staff will get fired. Doesn't that usually happen on teams with tons of injuries?
I wonder who has had more injuries between the Mets and the Reds this year. It has to be close
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I wonder who has had more injuries between the Mets and the Reds this year. It has to be close
Who are the "Reds?"
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The Rangers are really good at blowing leads at the end of the game, fking amazing...
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Originally Posted by imj0257
The Rangers are really good at blowing leads at the end of the game, fking amazing...
I can't believe nobody has traded for Francisco Cordero (who I happened to meet Friday night). Big contract but he's pretty damn good.


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