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Has anyone been watching the Shanahan videos? He's laying down the law here, Wisniewski got the rest of the preseason as well as 8 regular season games. He's been suspended for 1/10th of the season before the season has even started.
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Has anyone been watching the Shanahan videos? He's laying down the law here, Wisniewski got the rest of the preseason as well as 8 regular season games. He's been suspended for 1/10th of the season before the season has even started.
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The game between the Flyers and Rangers probably will keep the new sheriff busy too.
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Nice to see someone with a backbone handling discipline for the league
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Oh, the irony especially with him being in the spotlight already...
Simmonds Calls Another Player a Homophobic Slur
A Winter Classic press conference Monday afternoon touted the Rangers-Flyers rivalry as one of the best in sports, but the animosity took an ugly turn during the Rangers' 5-3 loss to the Flyers at Wells Fargo Center on Monday night.
Feisty Rangers winger Sean Avery confirmed that Flyers forward Wayne Simmonds called him a homophobic slur during the first period of the bitter preseason contest. A video replay showed Simmonds hurling the epithet towards Avery while on the ice near the Flyers bench.
"To be here now having to answer the questions about what he did is disappointing for me. I'm disappointed for him," Avery said.
Rangers coach John Tortorella said: "I did not hear it, but I'm sure Sean Avery is not lying about it."
Simmonds was on the other side of a racially offensive display last week when a fan hurled a banana on the ice during the Flyers' exhibition game against the Red Wings on Thursday in London, Ontario.
The 23-year-old winger said he did not remember everything that was said between him and Avery during the game but did not deny crossing the line.
Simmonds said he felt Avery sucker-punched him in a scrum early in the first and said the two continued to verbally spar after that.
"Honestly, we were going back and forth for a while there," Simmonds said. "I don't recall everything that I did say to him but he said to me some things I didn't like and maybe I said some things that he didn't like. I can't recall every single word I said."
Avery felt he said nothing to prompt such a response.
Flyers coach Peter Laviolette didn't comment on the exchange. As for what he saw of it, Laviolette said, "It was a couple of guys battling out there."
The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has contacted both the NHL and the Flyers about taking action on the incident.
"Hate speech and anti-gay slurs have no place on the ice rink," GLAAD acting president Mike Thompson said in a statement. "The word that Simmonds used is the same word that is hurled at LGBT youth on the playground and in our schools, creating a climate of intolerance and hostility. He should not only apologize for this anti-gay outburst, but the Philadelphia Flyers and the NHL have a responsibility to take action and educate their fans about why this word is unacceptable."
When asked if he felt slurs such as the one he received Monday night should be treated the same as racially-charged language and other egregiously offensive on-ice displays, Avery pointed to a recent example in the NBA.
"Kobe Bryant got fined ($100,000)," Avery said, referring to the April incident in which Bryant was fined for calling a referee the very same derogatory term Simmonds used during the game.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly had not seen the video clip when reached by email Monday night but said the league is "looking into it."
"We have (the) ability to discipline for language used on the ice," Daly told ESPNNewYork.com via email, although he noted that the league has never employed that authority in the case of an anti-gay slur.
When asked if he would like to see the league take a hard-line stance on the incident, Avery didn't want to comment.
But the 31-year-old forward -- who has been an outspoken advocate for the LGBT community -- appeared in a public service announcement in May supporting gay rights and marriage equality.
"It's an issue," he said. "It's an issue that people are dealing with and trying to overcome and ten years ago, maybe it wasn't so much an issue but it's certainly an issue politically with people in the game. And just in life in general."
Just before that incident, Philadelphia's Tom Sestito racked up 20 minutes in penalties after boarding New York's Andre Deveaux behind the net in a move that will likely draw another suspension for the Flyers.
After the play, Sestito and Stu Bickel fought, resulting in misconducts for both players. Bickel also was given an instigator penalty.
"He got a little overzealous," Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said.
Last week, after a boarding call in a home preseason game against Toronto, Philadelphia enforcer Jody Shelley was suspended for 10 games by new NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan.
Tortorella called for Sestito to be punished, as well.
"Shanny should have a field day. As far as hits from behind, he should have a field day," he said. "Jody got what, 10 games? This one is worse than that."
A Winter Classic press conference Monday afternoon touted the Rangers-Flyers rivalry as one of the best in sports, but the animosity took an ugly turn during the Rangers' 5-3 loss to the Flyers at Wells Fargo Center on Monday night.
Feisty Rangers winger Sean Avery confirmed that Flyers forward Wayne Simmonds called him a homophobic slur during the first period of the bitter preseason contest. A video replay showed Simmonds hurling the epithet towards Avery while on the ice near the Flyers bench.
"To be here now having to answer the questions about what he did is disappointing for me. I'm disappointed for him," Avery said.
Rangers coach John Tortorella said: "I did not hear it, but I'm sure Sean Avery is not lying about it."
Simmonds was on the other side of a racially offensive display last week when a fan hurled a banana on the ice during the Flyers' exhibition game against the Red Wings on Thursday in London, Ontario.
The 23-year-old winger said he did not remember everything that was said between him and Avery during the game but did not deny crossing the line.
Simmonds said he felt Avery sucker-punched him in a scrum early in the first and said the two continued to verbally spar after that.
"Honestly, we were going back and forth for a while there," Simmonds said. "I don't recall everything that I did say to him but he said to me some things I didn't like and maybe I said some things that he didn't like. I can't recall every single word I said."
Avery felt he said nothing to prompt such a response.
Flyers coach Peter Laviolette didn't comment on the exchange. As for what he saw of it, Laviolette said, "It was a couple of guys battling out there."
The Gay & Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation has contacted both the NHL and the Flyers about taking action on the incident.
"Hate speech and anti-gay slurs have no place on the ice rink," GLAAD acting president Mike Thompson said in a statement. "The word that Simmonds used is the same word that is hurled at LGBT youth on the playground and in our schools, creating a climate of intolerance and hostility. He should not only apologize for this anti-gay outburst, but the Philadelphia Flyers and the NHL have a responsibility to take action and educate their fans about why this word is unacceptable."
When asked if he felt slurs such as the one he received Monday night should be treated the same as racially-charged language and other egregiously offensive on-ice displays, Avery pointed to a recent example in the NBA.
"Kobe Bryant got fined ($100,000)," Avery said, referring to the April incident in which Bryant was fined for calling a referee the very same derogatory term Simmonds used during the game.
NHL deputy commissioner Bill Daly had not seen the video clip when reached by email Monday night but said the league is "looking into it."
"We have (the) ability to discipline for language used on the ice," Daly told ESPNNewYork.com via email, although he noted that the league has never employed that authority in the case of an anti-gay slur.
When asked if he would like to see the league take a hard-line stance on the incident, Avery didn't want to comment.
But the 31-year-old forward -- who has been an outspoken advocate for the LGBT community -- appeared in a public service announcement in May supporting gay rights and marriage equality.
"It's an issue," he said. "It's an issue that people are dealing with and trying to overcome and ten years ago, maybe it wasn't so much an issue but it's certainly an issue politically with people in the game. And just in life in general."
Just before that incident, Philadelphia's Tom Sestito racked up 20 minutes in penalties after boarding New York's Andre Deveaux behind the net in a move that will likely draw another suspension for the Flyers.
After the play, Sestito and Stu Bickel fought, resulting in misconducts for both players. Bickel also was given an instigator penalty.
"He got a little overzealous," Flyers general manager Paul Holmgren said.
Last week, after a boarding call in a home preseason game against Toronto, Philadelphia enforcer Jody Shelley was suspended for 10 games by new NHL disciplinarian Brendan Shanahan.
Tortorella called for Sestito to be punished, as well.
"Shanny should have a field day. As far as hits from behind, he should have a field day," he said. "Jody got what, 10 games? This one is worse than that."
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Shanny is out of his mind. I love Shanny, but he is out of his mind.
No injury resulting....and suspension for the rest of the preseason PLUS 8 regular season games?!?!?!? Homie is going to lose over a half million bucks!!!!
Shanny, my friend, you are in deep deep trouble....mark my words....as the season goes on this suspension is going to come back to bite you in the @ss.
I know he is a repeat offender....ok sure...does he deserve a suspension for the hit? Yup.
....but suspension for the rest of the preseason PLUS 8 regular season games PLUS forfeit of over a half million dollars for that hit?!?!?
You set the bar way too high my friend.
When the real cheapshots come that injure, you will be stuck measuring them against this, and the insanity of +15-20 games & millions of dollars will be coming down the pipe. ....or even worse, you will award a suspension of 8 games or less for a non-repeat offender and the fans will go ape sh!t....and rightfully so.
I know you are trying to make a statement, but I fear you went too far.
No injury resulting....and suspension for the rest of the preseason PLUS 8 regular season games?!?!?!? Homie is going to lose over a half million bucks!!!!
Shanny, my friend, you are in deep deep trouble....mark my words....as the season goes on this suspension is going to come back to bite you in the @ss.
I know he is a repeat offender....ok sure...does he deserve a suspension for the hit? Yup.
....but suspension for the rest of the preseason PLUS 8 regular season games PLUS forfeit of over a half million dollars for that hit?!?!?
You set the bar way too high my friend.
When the real cheapshots come that injure, you will be stuck measuring them against this, and the insanity of +15-20 games & millions of dollars will be coming down the pipe. ....or even worse, you will award a suspension of 8 games or less for a non-repeat offender and the fans will go ape sh!t....and rightfully so.
I know you are trying to make a statement, but I fear you went too far.
I feel the need...
When the real cheapshots come that injure, you will be stuck measuring them against this, and the insanity of +15-20 games & millions of dollars will be coming down the pipe. ....or even worse, you will award a suspension of 8 games or less for a non-repeat offender and the fans will go ape sh!t....and rightfully so.
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Yeah, I actually like what Shanny is doing. So, if Cooke decides to send another player to orbit with a blindside hit, ban him for 50+ games and fine him his entire salary.
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To me it looks like he kept his elbow down and was trying to deliver a hard hit to the chest. He did get his head as well but it didn't look like a headhunter play to me. Shanny even said he believed Boyes when he said he wasn't trying to target the head but the hit was "reckless" and a violation of the rules.
We'll see how it goes but if this continues I think we're going to see a lot of minor league call ups to fill the depleted NHL rosters.
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Guys, we had an NHL exhibition game here tonight in Kansas City...LA Kings vs. Pittsburgh Penguins. Sold out our new Sprint Center-on a Tuesday night!
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
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Shanny is on a roll....another Duck suspended.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=376907
At this rate the kids are going to be taking up roster spots by November.
Be careful Shanny, you are going to bite the hand that feeds.
GM's are eventually gonna get really pissed when you keep suspending players for 10% or more of the season.
Anaheim Ducks forward Jean-Francois Jacques has been suspended for the remainder of the pre-season and for five regular season games for a violation of rule 70 which governs any player who on a legal line change comes onto the ice for the expressed purpose of starting a fight.
At this rate the kids are going to be taking up roster spots by November.
Be careful Shanny, you are going to bite the hand that feeds.
GM's are eventually gonna get really pissed when you keep suspending players for 10% or more of the season.
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Guys, we had an NHL exhibition game here tonight in Kansas City...LA Kings vs. Pittsburgh Penguins. Sold out our new Sprint Center-on a Tuesday night!
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
Tell me, who are the two guys in the poster?
Never heard of them....are they roster players?
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And regardless, in professional sports, it is wrong. If Beef Bryant and Noah were fined thousands for uttering the same thing in basketball, the NHL should IMO be no different.
Simmonds should be fined.
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Shanny is on a roll....another Duck suspended.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=376907
At this rate the kids are going to be taking up roster spots by November.
Be careful Shanny, you are going to bite the hand that feeds.
GM's are eventually gonna get really pissed when you keep suspending players for 10% or more of the season.
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=376907
At this rate the kids are going to be taking up roster spots by November.
Be careful Shanny, you are going to bite the hand that feeds.
GM's are eventually gonna get really pissed when you keep suspending players for 10% or more of the season.
Meh...I think this is great. Keep it up, Shanny. And if a roster player is too retarded to play the game right, the GM should understand that. I'm pretty sure if a King had his crown knocked to orbit by another player on an opposing team via a dirty hit, you'd be screaming for a 50000 game ban. So, again, I think this is great.
The NHL needs this.
I don't see NFL GMs screaming for strict fines/bans handed down by the league office for illegal hits.
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Guys, we had an NHL exhibition game here tonight in Kansas City...LA Kings vs. Pittsburgh Penguins. Sold out our new Sprint Center-on a Tuesday night!
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
It was supposed to be home game for the Kings, but the crowd was purely pro-Pens. Malkin, Staal and Fluery all played.
The game went to a sudden death shootout with the Pens finally winning. I think they went 8 deep into the sudden death (including the original 3 shooters).
Yet I've heard all the shit avery says and calls people, frankly I don't think he has any room to talk.
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The very same GMs that were calling for more action?
Meh...I think this is great. Keep it up, Shanny. And if a roster player is too retarded to play the game right, the GM should understand that. I'm pretty sure if a King had his crown knocked to orbit by another player on an opposing team via a dirty hit, you'd be screaming for a 50000 game ban. So, again, I think this is great.
The NHL needs this.
I don't see NFL GMs screaming for strict fines/bans handed down by the league office for illegal hits.
Meh...I think this is great. Keep it up, Shanny. And if a roster player is too retarded to play the game right, the GM should understand that. I'm pretty sure if a King had his crown knocked to orbit by another player on an opposing team via a dirty hit, you'd be screaming for a 50000 game ban. So, again, I think this is great.
The NHL needs this.
I don't see NFL GMs screaming for strict fines/bans handed down by the league office for illegal hits.
I fear Shanny painted himself into a corner, he will be damned if he does and damned if he does not because he set the bar too high.
I pitty the team/player that hits someone in October, and will not be seen from again until January.
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Everyone and their grandma was complaining that the punishments were too light before. Now, it's too harsh? Meh. Make it harsh and big-time on the players wallet so that they will think twice before laying a dirty hit.
I think Shanny has a rhyme and reason to what you think is his madness.
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My other point is, I've heard Avery use that slur before, now he's crying it was said to him?
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Still, it does not change the fact what Simmonds said is inappropriate. Certainly, LOTS of things get said in the heat of a battle in a hotly contested game.
Still, if it is caught on camera and reported, something should be done. That's all I'm saying. It does not matter WHO Simmonds called a f*cking f*ggot. It is still wrong.
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Bingo. And with the punishments being handed out, this is a terrific message being sent to all the players to smarten up.
Everyone and their grandma was complaining that the punishments were too light before. Now, it's too harsh? Meh. Make it harsh and big-time on the players wallet so that they will think twice before laying a dirty hit.
I think Shanny has a rhyme and reason to what you think is his madness.
Everyone and their grandma was complaining that the punishments were too light before. Now, it's too harsh? Meh. Make it harsh and big-time on the players wallet so that they will think twice before laying a dirty hit.
I think Shanny has a rhyme and reason to what you think is his madness.
Going over-the-top with suspensions, and blowing a teams chances at the playoffs right out of the water over one potential incident is not the answer to the problem.
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Stay tuned then. If Shanny continues down the path he's gonna feel the hurt, as will the fans, and the league. Heads are going to roll.
Going over-the-top with suspensions, and blowing a teams chances at the playoffs right out of the water over one potential incident is not the answer to the problem.
Going over-the-top with suspensions, and blowing a teams chances at the playoffs right out of the water over one potential incident is not the answer to the problem.
Again, sorry...don't see how your doom and gloom will come true.
The NHL's current PR is not that great anyhow...so, for the first time they come down hard and consistently across the board and this is bad...? Again, I think this is great.
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I don't see these suspensions as over-the-top either. Do we need one of the players on the receiving end to have season-ending concussions from Jacques or Wiz to have a 1/10th of the season ban...?
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...just wait until Malkin gets a +20 game suspension.
Thankfully Shanny will have the forth coming lock-out and no season to hide behind when the sh!t hits the fan.
Thankfully Shanny will have the forth coming lock-out and no season to hide behind when the sh!t hits the fan.
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I don't know about that Dom, some of these financial penalties are pretty serious. Even at the amount they get paid, it's tough to brush off a half million dollar fine. Depending on how they manage their money, they could put themselves in financial hardship (relatively speaking, they aren't gonna starve to death but if they like living large, they may have to get rid of some expenses).
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