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06-10-2010, 11:34 AM
Neither did Hawks second goal, but they went in and they win the cup.
06-10-2010, 11:38 AM
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That Kane winner was the same exact shot/goal Crosby had to beat Miller for the Olympic Gold...
06-10-2010, 11:39 AM
Interesting. Interesting.
Kudos to CNNSI for keeping the Hawks win on the front page for more than 5 minutes. The rest of the sports world has collectively said "Next!"
06-10-2010, 11:40 AM
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Like I said...I wave that flag later.
06-10-2010, 11:46 AM
That's what I hate about ESPN, if they don't show the games, they don't want to talk about it. And what they do talk about it the same effing thing every 15 minutes. They have ruined the NFL for me.
06-10-2010, 11:54 AM
Old fart
06-10-2010, 11:57 AM
The sizzle in the Steak
06-10-2010, 11:57 AM
Interesting. Interesting.
That's true about ESPN. But, collectively, there was a lot more coverage and hype surround the Pens last year. I guess because of the Crosby factor.
06-10-2010, 12:04 PM
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They may not have a picture up anymore but its still the toppest of the top stories
but, I know you will see what you want to see.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/
06-10-2010, 12:11 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
So 
to Sharp, Huet, Campbell, Versteeg 
to Sharp, Huet, Campbell, Versteeg
06-10-2010, 12:29 PM
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^ Probably. Although, I doubt Chicago will let go of Sharp. He's part of the core group...the cap going up a bit will help. But, still alot of tough decisions.
06-10-2010, 12:48 PM
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But I'll re-post that stuff when you decide to wave that flag.
06-10-2010, 12:50 PM
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Similar, but not even close to exact. That puck didn't go through Leighton's legs, Kane was further out, had the puck far longer than Crosby did before getting the shot off etc....
06-10-2010, 12:51 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
It's kind of unfortunate that after waiting so long for a Stanley Cup that the call on the goal was the way it was. As an announcer, calling the Stanley Cup wining goal is something you want to make memorable. This one may be but for the wrong reasons.
06-10-2010, 12:53 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
The call and how it went down was lack-lustre.The play, however was great.
06-10-2010, 01:02 PM
chips and smokes, lets go
Obviously it doesn't matter for the players but when I think back of overtime winners, the call on the goal sticks out in my mind.
I wasn't alive but the call on the 1980 winner by Bob Nystrom is always what I think of. "Bob Nystrom, scores the goal, the Islanders win the Stanley Cup". I get goosebumps hearing that.
I wasn't alive but the call on the 1980 winner by Bob Nystrom is always what I think of. "Bob Nystrom, scores the goal, the Islanders win the Stanley Cup". I get goosebumps hearing that.
06-10-2010, 01:09 PM
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I was hoping it was going to get called back. I wanted to see a game 7.
06-10-2010, 01:15 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
I have a question about Crosby. All the highlights I've seen so far have him scoring by cleaning up the puck around the net. I've seen no great plays, goals or even passes from him on the highlight reels. Is their just limited fotage or has TSN just chossen really bad highlights of the kid.
For some reason to me, he smells of another Alexander Daigle. Maybe not as bad but close.
For some reason to me, he smells of another Alexander Daigle. Maybe not as bad but close.
06-10-2010, 01:21 PM
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For some reason to me, he smells of another Alexander Daigle. Maybe not as bad but close
And Fuck you, douche.
06-10-2010, 01:26 PM
Interesting. Interesting.
Don't worry dom, you were a young 28 years old at the time. You've learned a lot about hockey in the last 5 years from reading great posts (such as those by me and herbalist). srika could learn a lot from your experience.
06-10-2010, 01:28 PM
last few posts
06-10-2010, 01:33 PM
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The only thing I've ever learned from you is to take a shit before I leave the house every morning.
06-10-2010, 01:37 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
@ srika being a hockey fan
06-10-2010, 01:43 PM
06-10-2010, 02:00 PM
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But, in all honesty, that's all I remember going up in arms with you over in this thread about.
The Hossa curse, meh...never was a point because I never believed in it. The cap issues, meh again because every good team has this problem.
But, we should note that Leighton was the difference that the Hawks were not up 2-3 in the 1st period...they through everything at the Flyers and the score was only 1-1 going into the first intermission.
And as much as I garnered a severe dislike for the Flyers (their dirty play reminds me of the Canucks), I have to give them their due for never giving up...
06-10-2010, 02:04 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
06-10-2010, 02:09 PM
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Swear on my Dad's grave, no. I don't believe in that sort of "curse". If there is one sports curse I may believe in, it is the Cubs. But, more than anything, I believe it is 100+ years of ineptitude, bad management, bad drafting, and bad signings...
...esp. in a sport where all you have to do (i.e. please see Yankees) is to sign everyone to a trillion dollar contracts. Also known as: buy your title...
06-10-2010, 02:13 PM
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The Hossa curse, meh...never was a point because I never believed in it.
The cap issues, meh again because every good team has this problem.
06-10-2010, 02:36 PM
That goal was put in the net by Hartnell
06-10-2010, 02:38 PM
The sizzle in the Steak
06-10-2010, 02:40 PM
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damn, this is like worse than R&P!
06-10-2010, 02:41 PM
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From TSN.
The Formula has changed or is changing.
The Chicago Blackhawks have completed their ascent from the bottom of the NHL to hoisting the Cup for the first time in 49 years. They did it on the strength of rising stars Patrick Kane and Jonathan Toews, with Duncan Keith's resolute defense and Dustin Byfuglien's punishing physical play.
They built a unique team and used a strategy distinct from other championship teams.
And it begs the question, what is the best tactic for winning the Stanley Cup in the post-lockout era?
It is an outmoded idea to believe you need a big-money, game-stealing goaltender to hoist the Cup? There were 47 goals scored over six games in this year's series - the third most goals ever allowed in a Final. Chicago's Antti Niemi became the fourth goaltender in the expansion era to win a Stanley Cup-clinching game in just his first NHL postseason
(Cam Ward also did it for the Carolina Hurricanes in 2006).
And the last Vezina Trophy-winning goalie to win the Cup was Martin Brodeur with the New Jersey Devils in 2003.
The most recent Cup-winning goaltenders have been Niemi, Marc-Andre Fleury, Chris Osgood, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Ward – who all put in memorable performances. But how many of these champions are considered among the world's elite netminders in the post-lockout era?
Take a look at the ways in which the last five championship teams captured the Cup. The strategies are many; does one stand out?
The Penguins had strength up the middle when they won in 2009, thriving on the young dominance of Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.
In 2008, the Red Wings used a squad in stark contrast from the star-packed and experienced championship cast of 2002 that was led by Steve Yzerman, Brendan Shanahan, Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov and the acrobatic heroics of Dominik Hasek.
Nicklas Lidstrom still anchored the group in 2008, but this Cup-winning team rallied around late-round draft gems like Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.
Toughness and defence were the keys to victory for the Anaheim Ducks in 2007, led by Norris Trophy candidates Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger and blueliner Francois Beauchemin.
The most valuable player in the Hurricanes' 2006 run to the Cup was Ward, who also became the first rookie since Philadelphia's Ron Hextall in 1987 to be awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy. Another asset to Carolina's championship was a blueline corps that lacked star power, but played out a stifling defensive system to perfection.
The most recent championship teams have relied on different strengths and tactics on their way to the Cup. So what do you believe is the best way to win it all in today's NHL? Have your say below.
They built a unique team and used a strategy distinct from other championship teams.
And it begs the question, what is the best tactic for winning the Stanley Cup in the post-lockout era?
It is an outmoded idea to believe you need a big-money, game-stealing goaltender to hoist the Cup? There were 47 goals scored over six games in this year's series - the third most goals ever allowed in a Final. Chicago's Antti Niemi became the fourth goaltender in the expansion era to win a Stanley Cup-clinching game in just his first NHL postseason
(Cam Ward also did it for the Carolina Hurricanes in 2006). And the last Vezina Trophy-winning goalie to win the Cup was Martin Brodeur with the New Jersey Devils in 2003.
The most recent Cup-winning goaltenders have been Niemi, Marc-Andre Fleury, Chris Osgood, Jean-Sebastien Giguere and Ward – who all put in memorable performances. But how many of these champions are considered among the world's elite netminders in the post-lockout era?
Take a look at the ways in which the last five championship teams captured the Cup. The strategies are many; does one stand out?
The Penguins had strength up the middle when they won in 2009, thriving on the young dominance of Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin.
In 2008, the Red Wings used a squad in stark contrast from the star-packed and experienced championship cast of 2002 that was led by Steve Yzerman, Brendan Shanahan, Brett Hull, Sergei Fedorov and the acrobatic heroics of Dominik Hasek.
Nicklas Lidstrom still anchored the group in 2008, but this Cup-winning team rallied around late-round draft gems like Henrik Zetterberg and Pavel Datsyuk.
Toughness and defence were the keys to victory for the Anaheim Ducks in 2007, led by Norris Trophy candidates Scott Niedermayer and Chris Pronger and blueliner Francois Beauchemin.
The most valuable player in the Hurricanes' 2006 run to the Cup was Ward, who also became the first rookie since Philadelphia's Ron Hextall in 1987 to be awarded the Conn Smythe Trophy. Another asset to Carolina's championship was a blueline corps that lacked star power, but played out a stifling defensive system to perfection.
The most recent championship teams have relied on different strengths and tactics on their way to the Cup. So what do you believe is the best way to win it all in today's NHL? Have your say below.
06-10-2010, 02:52 PM
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they need to send Niemi down to the oil leak...
(stolen from facebook)
(stolen from facebook)
06-10-2010, 02:53 PM
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06-10-2010, 02:56 PM
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Definitely. 
In Chicago's case, they just needed a goalie who will not COST them a game. When they play that puck-possession game, they have the puck so much, the goalie doesn't really need to stand on his head other than to make the occasional timely save. Huet could not do that though...he was awful when his confidence went doink in March.
In Niemi's case, however, there is no disputing how he came up absolutely huge on certain key moments of these playoffs. For instance, his save on Carter right before the end of the 3rd period was epic. So was the breakaway stop earlier in the game. He also had some nice ones in OT when the Flyers initially had the momentum of the play...
Everything has to work in order for a Cup win overall. The hardest trophy to obtain is truly what it is. But, I agree there is no true formula.
In Chicago's case, they just needed a goalie who will not COST them a game. When they play that puck-possession game, they have the puck so much, the goalie doesn't really need to stand on his head other than to make the occasional timely save. Huet could not do that though...he was awful when his confidence went doink in March.
In Niemi's case, however, there is no disputing how he came up absolutely huge on certain key moments of these playoffs. For instance, his save on Carter right before the end of the 3rd period was epic. So was the breakaway stop earlier in the game. He also had some nice ones in OT when the Flyers initially had the momentum of the play...
Everything has to work in order for a Cup win overall. The hardest trophy to obtain is truly what it is. But, I agree there is no true formula.
06-10-2010, 03:04 PM
06-10-2010, 03:05 PM
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