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But, Teemoo Salami not a fan of Bruce: Report: Selanne criticizes Ducks coach Boudreau in biography
But, Teemoo Salami not a fan of Bruce: Report: Selanne criticizes Ducks coach Boudreau in biography
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In case you all forgot, Moog who is always right, passed the torch to me.
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Yo, dom...what're your thoughts of Phil the Thrill saying he only skated 10 times all summer?
And what are your thoughts Clarkson is injured...already?
And what are your thoughts Clarkson is injured...already?
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I don't see any difference
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I'm sure Moogy would say different
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Well, in all semi-seriousness, we should change the title in another week or so.
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"The Maple Leafs Are Still A Joke?"
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^ I love that movie (Fifth Element).
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Can't do Official threads
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What are the odds that will show us his hockey knowledge and join and smoke our @$$es?
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I love fantasy hockey. In my fantasies the Leafs make the playoffs.
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I'm realistic with my fantasies.
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Rounder, feel free to start up an AZ Fantasy Hockey thread...do you want to be commish?
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Read Damien Cox's recent article on the insanity of the Leaves' leadership?
Like, I thought it was bad...but, this is comedic bad.
One of the more intriguing storylines as this NHL season unfolds will be to observe how the Maple Leaf organization gels. Or doesn’t.
Since the days in the early 1990s when Steve Stavro and Don Giffin fought over whether to bring Cliff Fletcher to town – Giffin wanted him, Stavro didn’t and promised to fire him after he was brought in – the Leafs have pursued any number of curious choices and strategies when it came to building their organization.
Ken Dryden performed a GM search and then decided he himself was the best man for the job. Then he tried to make Mike Smith and Anders Hedberg get along. Pat Quinn, who barely spoke to Dryden during their years together, became GM but was eventually stripped of that title and asked to work as head coach under rookie John Ferguson Jr., his replacement.
Former head coach Ron Wilson, after agreeing to have his two longtime assistants fired the previous summer, announced his own contract extension on Twitter, then was fired two months later.
All creative approaches to building and developing an organization, that’s for sure.
So why should this year be any different?
Here’s what we’ve got:
The team is owned and operated by two giant communication companies who are essentially at war. Bell wanted Brian Burke fired, Rogers didn’t, but eventually went along with it. The club was forced to abstain from a league vote approving the new Rogers TV deal last winter because the two sides couldn’t agree.
The CEO, Tim Leiweke, has announced he wants out. Well, Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet announced Leiweke wanted out, and then Leiweke ultimately confirmed it. He’ll be gone by next summer at the latest.
The president of the team, Brendan Shanahan, was hired by Leiweke, but Shanahan didn’t hire the current general manager, Dave Nonis, who reports directly to him.
Nonis didn’t have a hand in picking his new assistant GMs after the old ones were fired during the summer, and didn’t know former Soo GM Kyle Dubas at all before Shanahan hired him to work alongside him.
Several bloggers who were very critical of Nonis and head coach Randy Carlyle last season are now working in the team’s front office.
Nonis didn’t hire Carlyle, but he inherited him from Burke, who was fired 21 months ago.
Carlyle saw his coaching staff fired during the summer, and didn’t have any of his preferred choices for new assistants approved. He’s never worked with Steve Spott or Peter Horachek before.
That’s a lot of people who didn’t know each other before they were asked to work together, or didn’t hire the people who are now reporting to them. Shanahan didn’t hire Nonis, who didn’t hire his assistants or Carlyle, who didn’t hire his assistants.
If organizations depend on loyalty, strong connections and trust to succeed, the Leafs certainly have some internal challenges ahead of them.
How could possibly this not work?
Since the days in the early 1990s when Steve Stavro and Don Giffin fought over whether to bring Cliff Fletcher to town – Giffin wanted him, Stavro didn’t and promised to fire him after he was brought in – the Leafs have pursued any number of curious choices and strategies when it came to building their organization.
Ken Dryden performed a GM search and then decided he himself was the best man for the job. Then he tried to make Mike Smith and Anders Hedberg get along. Pat Quinn, who barely spoke to Dryden during their years together, became GM but was eventually stripped of that title and asked to work as head coach under rookie John Ferguson Jr., his replacement.
Former head coach Ron Wilson, after agreeing to have his two longtime assistants fired the previous summer, announced his own contract extension on Twitter, then was fired two months later.
All creative approaches to building and developing an organization, that’s for sure.
So why should this year be any different?
Here’s what we’ve got:
The team is owned and operated by two giant communication companies who are essentially at war. Bell wanted Brian Burke fired, Rogers didn’t, but eventually went along with it. The club was forced to abstain from a league vote approving the new Rogers TV deal last winter because the two sides couldn’t agree.
The CEO, Tim Leiweke, has announced he wants out. Well, Elliotte Friedman of Sportsnet announced Leiweke wanted out, and then Leiweke ultimately confirmed it. He’ll be gone by next summer at the latest.
The president of the team, Brendan Shanahan, was hired by Leiweke, but Shanahan didn’t hire the current general manager, Dave Nonis, who reports directly to him.
Nonis didn’t have a hand in picking his new assistant GMs after the old ones were fired during the summer, and didn’t know former Soo GM Kyle Dubas at all before Shanahan hired him to work alongside him.
Several bloggers who were very critical of Nonis and head coach Randy Carlyle last season are now working in the team’s front office.
Nonis didn’t hire Carlyle, but he inherited him from Burke, who was fired 21 months ago.
Carlyle saw his coaching staff fired during the summer, and didn’t have any of his preferred choices for new assistants approved. He’s never worked with Steve Spott or Peter Horachek before.
That’s a lot of people who didn’t know each other before they were asked to work together, or didn’t hire the people who are now reporting to them. Shanahan didn’t hire Nonis, who didn’t hire his assistants or Carlyle, who didn’t hire his assistants.
If organizations depend on loyalty, strong connections and trust to succeed, the Leafs certainly have some internal challenges ahead of them.
How could possibly this not work?
Like, I thought it was bad...but, this is comedic bad.
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Reminds me of the stupidity running around in Chicago with the Blackhawks during Dollar Bill's days.
Until the Leaves fix their leadership issues, the product on the ice will continue to reflect the incompetence.
Until the Leaves fix their leadership issues, the product on the ice will continue to reflect the incompetence.
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Moog must really hate Yumchah for whatever Yumchah did to scare him away from AZ.
Its almost hockey season and he's still MIA.
Its almost hockey season and he's still MIA.
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Its going to get a hell of lot uglier before it gets better I'm afraid. I'd expect Nonis and Carlyle to be shown the door by X-Mas.
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What a concept.
For the record: I like the guy. But, as he had accused me of myopia before, it sure seemed like it in spades when it came to trying to prove his point to be correct.
Kings are the champs. Great stuff. But, are they the all-century team of greatness? Hardly. But, he'd have you believe it cuz it's Doty this and Doty that and Quick this and Quick that.
It's good to be homer. But, if you want to attack/ridicule someone else's beloved team, get ready to have a discussion.
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So it was you?
I was just kidding.
I was just kidding.
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Jennings Trophy is an indicator of a great goalie?
Suuuuuure...and so is the Lady Byng for a great player.
Suuuuuure...and so is the Lady Byng for a great player.
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We've already established, that the Leafs in the Playoffs is fantasy hockey