civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Pro-tip - Get the R, not a kid.

SamDoe1

I would but can't afford it. 2018+ E63 wagons are at least $85k and most of them are in the mid 90's. Too poor for that.

I know, and I get it but the Tesla is $5k cheaper for a brand new car vs a 3 year old M3 with 26k on the clock. Also, the Tesla is faster around a track too so...

There's no way the M3 doesn't have more room, it's a considerably bigger car. I'm not sure how those measurements are taken. We'll find out this weekend. Tesla for sure has more space, my friend has a Model Y and he sent me a pic of his infant seat in there. My wife is 5-8 and her knees are in the dashboard with the baby seat in the back. The Golf is great for everything except rear facing infant seats. If your other half isn't tall then it's probably fine.

This. R is cheaper too.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

R won't wipe your butt later in life though.
Kid probably won't either though.

cu2wagon

R Pro: No one would think twice if the R starts to act up and so you decide to sell it on Craigslist. The same cannot be said for if your child starts to act up and you decide to sell it on Craigslist.

I forget where we were going with this...

00TL-P3.2

RPhilMan1

Let me know what you find with the M3. Will you bring the car seat to test?

Wife is shorter than me and I'm already short (shorter than your wife), so maybe it won't be an issue after all.

SamDoe1

Yes, 100% bringing the car seat to test lol. It's an important decision factor. Wife and I are the same height, if you or your wife are 5-5 or less, it would be just fine. Only thing to keep in mind for a baby is they require an inordinate amount of shit to be carried around anytime you go anywhere. A Golf isn't going to handle that as your only car, not even close. You have to have something bigger, at least CRV size, bigger than that is better still. Our Outback wasn't good enough to take all her shit, plus stroller, plus our stuff, plus dog stuff so we had to go bigger.

RPhilMan1

I'm 5'6" and she's about 5'1". She drives a CR-V. Sounds like we should be okay. Still have plenty of time to decide, though.

Which color is the M3? Good luck!

SamDoe1

There are two, both 2018 6MT models. One is some individual black color non-comp the other is an alpine white comp model. They have a Tanzanite blue one as well but it's a no go as it's missing a pedal. Also going to take a gander at the X3M as well.

For those heights, you should be more than fine fitting a child seat in a Golf.

00TL-P3.2

I'm 6'0", so I took both kids (in front facing 5-pt harness seats) with me when I was shopping. IF they don't fit, it's not even worth test driving.
Luckily, they both fit fine in the Merc & no issue in the 'Bu.
The oldest should be GTG once the Rotus is finished.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Alpine White is boring but IMO the Comp makes it worth it. Can't wait to read your impressions.

SamDoe1

I'm ok with white. Yes it's boring but it's also easy to upkeep unlike any black color.

Front facing seats are WAY easier than rear facing. They'll fit into just about everything.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

White looks dirty all the time but doesn't have visible swirls 15 years from now.
Grey is the way.

Also, don't believe the hype...you don't NEED all that shit every time you go places with the baby.
Minimalist approach is best...

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

makes it less daunting to run out with your kid when you just grab 1 diaper and a fold up changing pad and
maybe an extra outfit in case shit gets on the current one. I guess also bring an extra outfit for the kid for that
same scenario.

SamDoe1

Yeah I know and if we're just running out for a bit knowing we'll be back home before she needs her next food/nap/whatever then we just bring the diaper bag with the stuff you mentioned, that's it. If we go to my parent's place or my in-law's place then it requires a lot more stuff because we're there for a lot longer.

SamDoe1

Ok here's the run down...

Went to take a look at G80 again yesterday and see the F80 I was actually there to see. It's definitely better looking in person but it's still fugly. The F80 is way better looking. Anyway, the 6MT comp white one I was there to see wasn't all that well kept and it showed so I'm passing on that one. They also have a Azurite black one that's going through their reconditioning that looks to be in much better shape and comes with a set of snow tires already. Sales rep is trying to find out when it'll be done so I can go drive it. Saw the car though and Azurite is way more blue than black, it just looks like really dark navy blue. They also had an Avus blue F80 that was t1ts but it was DCT so no go on that.

Then I went to drive the Model 3 Performance after seeing the M3 and holy fucking shit. That thing is downright fantastic in every way. Pushing the pedal is like engaging warp drive, handling is also way better than I ever expected it to be. It's also $4k less for a NEW Model 3P compared to a USED F80 with 30k on the clock. It's also cheaper to run, cheaper to maintain, cheaper to insure, is AWD for winter, comes with a full warranty, and has all the tech features the F80 wasn't even offered with. Downside to Tesla is the build quality is worse but it's not bad. Material quality isn't as good and no manual or cool exhaust sound but the car as a whole feels like it's out of a different century. Tried the Model Y as well and it's bigger but slower and more expensive. I don't need a bigger car at this point so I'd probably just go with the 3.

I'm still going to go back and try out the black one before making a decision but right now I'm definitely leaning Tesla. If Biden can renew the tax rebates for EV's that would be the cherry on top.

cu2wagon

A jeep and a Tesla...

Wow. That would be something.

SamDoe1

Need to offset my 14mpg shitbox Fiat gas guzzler somehow...

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

While there's a lot of things I don't like about Tesla (the Trumper-esque fanboys are at the top of the list), the Tesla was the only car I drove that had me laughing the entire time. The way it accelerates is hilarious. Even the non-performance 3 was fast.

SamDoe1

Agreed on all counts. Honestly one of the biggest things holding me back from ordering one as I type this is the two idiots in the auto news sub forum. The car is really good, it's fun to drive and stupidly fast. Even my wife was astounded at how good it was. Regardless of what I buy I don't plan on taking it to a track so IDGAF about any "at the limit" performance which I'm sure the BMW is better for. I am also waffling over getting the Y vs the 3 but I don't really have a need for a bigger car at this point.

I'm still going to try out the other M3 and see how that goes but I have a hard time justifying paying a lot more money for a lot less content.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Did you drive the Y? The speed difference was barely noticeable on the street on the one I drove but it had way more wind noise compared to the 3. Maybe they've addressed it, but that's enough for me to stick with the 3.

I'd assume if you got the Tesla, you'd lease?

SamDoe1

I drove the Y but they only had a long range model vs the performance. The MYLR is no faster than the Golf, just bigger so I wasn't all that impressed with that one. The M3P was fucking incredible.

I'm going to buy. Leasing a Tesla is actually more expensive than buying. The resale values rival a Wrangler.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

Ah, I drove a MYP.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

dorks

cu2wagon

What color Crocs do you own, SamDoe?

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

I'm annoyed that Sam's reaction is the same one I'm trying to avoid having for as long as possible.

SamDoe1

Blue. To match my car.





I would have bought the M3 on Saturday if the money part worked out but I cannot bring myself to pay a lot more for a lot less.

2018 M3 non-comp 6MT with 34k on the clock, 1 year of factory warranty left. Not AWD, no adaptive cruise or any other modern driving aids. Asking $61k. 6mo insurance cost ~$260. Plus gas, maintenance, repair, etc.
2021 M3P with full warranty and all the gizmos, no FSD because lol@ $10K option that's not actually FSD, selling price is $57k. 6mo insurance cost ~$220. No gas, very little maintenance and repair.

It just doesn't compute in my head to put money into a M3 to get worse performance, reliability, running costs, insurance costs, etc vs the EV.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

but at least you'd still have a soul...

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

you're giving up stick anyway with the tesla...
what about s5 or rs5 sportback for all your family needs

00TL-P3.2

Rs7
:o

SamDoe1

S5 is slower (closer to M3LR) but similar in price, RS5 is just as fast but I might as well save $30k on purchase price plus maintenance and repair costs.

If I'm giving up the manual, I'm going to go EV. Makes no sense not to. Also, my drive to work is 1.5 miles each way which is perfect for EV use.

I'll pay up to RS5 money if you cover the rest for me to get the new RS7.

00TL-P3.2

Sorry, all funds diverted to the Rotus.

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

or a bicycle.

don't bother test driving the other bimmer. you already made up your mind.

cu2wagon

I figured as much... Driving a Heep means you've didn't have much dignity to start with. Considering a Tesla means you given up what little remained.

So I'm gonna guess you wear grey socks with your blue Crocs... Not wild enough to wear white socks, and not professional enough for black socks. Just sort of middle ground "meh" grey socks.

It's appropriate.

civicdrivr

iTrader: (9)

But are they gold toe?

cu2wagon

Probably not. I bet a nickel that it's these:

SamDoe1

Black socks are for cucks. Gray or dark blue for me.

Also, ouch!

I rock Kirkland Signature dress socks under my $350 shoes/boots.

SamDoe1

1.) I'm lazy.
2.) I usually go to the gym right after work which is ~10 miles away.
3.) I'm lazy.

I'd drive regardless of car.

SamDoe1

I looked into this more.

New RS5 is way out of my budget. They are well into the $80k range. Used RS5's haven't depreciated much, they are sitting in the low to mid 70's which is a lot for a 3 year old car without the latest infotainment. Honestly, the whole used car market right now is batshit crazy so it makes little sense to get a used one.

A used S5 is in the same ballpark as the Model 3 but is still missing a ton of the same tech and such. It's also, unsurprisingly, quite a lot slower and doesn't have the same performance. New S5 SB's are in the same price range as a new M3. I'd get one of those before I got a S5.

Edit: The RS5 is knocking on base Taycan range...

rockstar143

iTrader: (6)

Not everyone is destined for greatness. Totally get it, man. cRock on!