TacoBello

There's a guy in town here who's the president of the local Porsche club (or was, not sure if he's still involved), who would drive his Boxster year round, ALWAYS with the top down. Yup, it'd be -25 out and he'd be wearing a a big winter coat, toque, scarf, gloves, and driving with the top down. Crazy old guy.

2012wagon

I am hoping hte new NSX will depress the prices of the NA2 and I can pick one up

I have had 8 convertibles in my lifetime. Total drop time over 25 years, has been 2 times. I don't buy them to put the top down. ALways keep top on or HT on.

Reason I buy them because these cars don't come in coupe version (S2000 or the Miatas).

TacoBello

I really don't think the new NSX will drop prices of the NA1/2. And believe me, I wish it would.

The 2005 NSX ended at about 110k (if you include inflation) by today's standards, so by that thought alone, I don't foresee the 2.0 costing less than 130k. That's a price many can't afford.

There are many NSX owners who will own a 1G and a 2G. There are many NSX owners who can't afford anything more than a 1G. I think there will be very limited owners who sell the 1G in favor for a 2G, thereby keeping prices where they are now. I guess time will tell though.

2012wagon

^^ THough I know you are likely right, I am HOPING you are wrong

I know the NSX and my LOtus they both bottomed out on the depreciation curve. I know when the 04/05 were new they weren't selling and thus the great lease deals, at that time. I still see them in the 55-60K asking price (mint ones). If they get in the 45k range, I would get one.

TacoBello

Why? You're barely letting that engine breathe. It was designed to handle the rpm safely, why not utilize it? It's not like you're preserving the engine longer by not using the rpm band.

TacoBello

I wish they were that cheap. Unmodified, low mileage, mint ones fetch up to 74k, from what I've seen. Just crazy.

2012wagon

THey sold them cheaper than that new. Reminds me of my MSM. MSRP 27K. They couldn't give them away. I bought one new in 2004 for 18K. I see guys asking 12-15K for high mile ones.

As someone who put 165k miles on his AP1, and then has a AP2, I much prefer all the upgrades to the AP2.

TylerT

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I'm sure a lot has changed since 2008

Rockstar21

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Some NA2 owners have them as toys in their extensive lineup of cars, or have been honda/Acura fans forever and bought one when they landed in the big times.

we will see an increase in NA2 sales after the new one is out.. not much.. but some.

im not in that crowd anyways.. still looking for a decent NA1

TacoBello

Bahahahaha... Major fail on my part. I was browsing on my phone and didn't realize I quoted something from page one. Sorry!!

TacoBello

For myself, if I was building a track only car, I'd go with the AP1, for the revs. If I was looking more for a road car than a track car, I'd go AP2. The more useful torque curve is definitely appreciated from a daily driven aspect. Having traction control is a big plus too. Turn it off when you want to have fun. Leave it on so you don't misjudge the situation in front of you.

rockstar143

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Not all AP2 have traction control though...

rockstar143

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If the right AP1 comes along, I'd seriously consider it. There's a Formula red 2000 S2000 a friend owns, first owner, 75K miles, all maintenance done, new top, new interior, bilstein suspension, n1 exhaust (I think)...fenders never rolled, never abused, always maintained.

Be tough to pass up...I'd be curious about the 9K redline and how it feels driving it in comparison to the AP2. This isn't now...but it's been mentioned to me and I'm interested if/when the time comes and is right. All it really needs is headlight polishing...already has CE28 too, although I'm not a huge fan.

2012wagon

I did spec racing with a Miata for about 8 years, and been running the Lotus Challenge last 3 years, agree with you 100%.

However, my S2000 was DD. I have put about 195K miles on my two S2000, so from a DD perspective I was talking about.

These days, only thing I want to track is an Ariel Atom

neuronbob

It's being shown to the media on the 12th. I can't get there until the first day of the public part of the show, which is on the 17th. I WILL go see it. I really hope NA2 prices come down. They probably won't, so my S2000 will be in my life for a lot longer.

I'd love the new NSX to be $90k. I WOULD find a way to get it. It won't be $90k, though. $125k and up? Well, I'll live vicariously though the guys on NSXPrime and bide my time until used prices have fallen. Or, as stated above, a nicely used NA2.

ROFLMAO! As long as you're not going to lowball me.....

This guy used to do a blog on which he posted pics from each day he drove topless. He's also a member of S2KI. Cool beans! He's ONLY got 189k miles on his S2K....

2012wagon

THe one thing I absolutely HATE about my AP2 vs my AP1, is the clutch delay valve

2012wagon

For me having owned both, I wouldn't buy a AP1 (for myself). Redline is there, but it isn't like the AP2 is a slouch, the people who talk about it like that. Its not like the AP2 has a 5500 rpm redline.


TO me the AP1 looks very dated. The updates they did to the AP2 (I know you can update the AP1, but I am talking stock vs stock), really modernized the car, even though the touches were small, overall package is better.

Plus I only liek the yellow on the S2000, and my Rio yellow is worlds better than the Spa Yellow I had.

At the end of hte day, we are talking about 1st world problems here.

There is a local guy selling AP1, OG owner, bone stock, only 15K miles. Asking pretty low too. Clean title.

Then again there is a guy with a 300K mile AP1 and a guy with a 450K NA1 NSX.

oonowindoo

I'll definitely lowball you. But at least you know it is going to a good home.

You have a RLX, CTSV and the imaginary NSX...

My lowball price might seem reasonable to you.

2012wagon

You can make his imaginary NSX into a reality, by buying his S2000

Only car I am jealous of htat he has is the wagon. Man I would give anyting for a manual wagon, even an american made one

Ken1997TL

That's an easy fix

SuperTrooper169

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I really want one. How can I convince the boss, err, wife?

TylerT

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It can be used as the Costco vehicle?

If I were to do the buying process all over, I would shoot for anything $15,000 and up.

I bought my AP2 in January 2014 for $12,500 with 115,000 miles on it - considering it's condition and how little work it needed done I pulled the trigger.

If you could get something with good compression & a solid clutch, you'll be fine. These cars are unbelievably stout, just rolled over 136,000 last night and it takes anything I throw at it.

Who knows, maybe she'll be more open to the idea if you test drove one with her? These things are quite fun as a driver & passenger.

2012wagon

Yeah. I need to get to it. since I drove the car once in the last 3 years, hasn't been a priority.

TacoBello

The reason NSX prices won't come down is because we're all hoping they come down. Aka- there's too much demand for the car for prices to come down, lol. Dammit!!!

2012wagon

Hey stop spraying reality water on my hope, dammit!!!

TacoBello

The secret is for everyone to stop wanting an NSX... Then prices will drop. Spread the word!!

2012wagon

Oh I have, trust me. Amongst my friends and collegues (I would say total 5) who used to want an NSX, only 1 still does.

I have convinced them its old tech, slow, and even a new Odyssey/Sienna will beat them at a stop light.


These days they are either driving GTR/M3/Used 911 or lusting after those.


I am doing my part, you do your part in convincing what a POS car the NSX is.


If it doesn't work, and someone is convinced its cheap to run, show them the price of the weather stripping on a NSX and that will scare them straight into going and buying a M4 instead.


More NSX for us

TacoBello

I like your methods





NSX... Biggest piece of garbage ever... Only a fool would buy one!!






Is it working yet??

rockstar143

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Honestly...I'm sure an NSX is nice. But I didn't envy anyone around me when I was sitting in my ~16K S2000.

neuronbob

^^^
Then you haven't driven one.

Oh, wait....

Just kidding, but the old-tech NSX is an awesome drive.

rockstar143

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I have not driven one, Bob. By design!
LOL...ignorance is bliss, they say!

2012wagon

Not working on me. But I hope it works on others

TylerT

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I spent 3 hours detailing my car yesterday and I really don't want to take it out in the rain

Lucky for me, I'm picking up a new daily next weekend. It sure ain't pretty, but it'll get the job done.

2012wagon

^^
Wow don't see many unpaved driveways in CA

JS + XES

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Man I wish I know how to detail a car. My car needs some love..

2012wagon

I am in LA and I can show you the basics. However, I do it all manually. No Porter Cable stuff here

oonowindoo

you getting a TLX?

JS + XES

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Oh really?? Where in LA are you? I live in Pasadena area and work in DTLA.

rockstar143

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Hand detailing is insane...
I started that way. Porter cable all the way...I ended up even getting a full rotary but it's usually overkill for a nice light detail.

Spent the day cleaning our cars yesterday too...also made in the TL for the panavise phone holder similar to the modifry one for the S2000. Love it...

jtrix21

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Any pics of that?