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Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 05:19 PM

The Official Honda S2000 Thread
 
So my friend is looking at a S2000 as a weekend/track car.

He found an 04 with 13k miles for $19k. Is that a good deal?

Or is the AP1 the way to go, if so WHY?

cltypeSLOW 02-18-2008 05:47 PM

i have heard the AP2's burn LESS oil, but its a common thing on the s2k's. also i heard the drive by wire motors in the newer models are less modd friendly.

-both of those are just hear-say things. i have no personal experience with them. i just happened to read a lot about those topics when i was shopping for one.

Costco 02-18-2008 06:33 PM

AP1 because 9>8 :D

What do I know though... I only go up to 6. :sad:

Any other specifics? Immaculate paint and interior or what? How does it drive? It seems like a pretty good deal, some AP1s with more mileage than that cost $19k.

Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 06:41 PM

Oh yea the paint looks great he said and it has a K40 radar.

Sarlacc 02-18-2008 06:53 PM

AP1....that car was made for higher revs.

FiveLiterCheater 02-18-2008 06:53 PM

13k miles for 19k? Fuck...if he doesn't take it I will...

However, I heard the same thing about the Drive-By-Wire being less mod friendly, so if thats the route hes thinking about going it might be smart to get the AP1. Plus, like others have said, the AP1 has a higher redline. I think the 06+ have VSA though, not sure about the older ones....might help out in Chicago.

Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 07:14 PM

^ It wont be his daily driver so traction control isnt a big deal.

What kind of mods we talking? I figured the car cant get much out of it unless you went FI?

iTimmy 02-18-2008 07:16 PM

Depends what you want the car for, yes the AP1 revs higher but for around town driving its harder to enjoy because it has less low end torque. From a modding stand point maybe the DBW is less attractive, but from a driving perspective its not detectable, it was very well implemented. Unless your planning on going with FI, basing the purchase on mods is foolish. AP1's all have the same 16" wheels, there are a few different 17" wheels that were used on AP2's - there must have been some alignment change because AP1's are more known to chew through tires then AP2's. I can easily see liking both, but for different reasons, if it was a weekend/nice weather car I would probably lean towards an early(tail happy) AP1. As my only car I would want 06+, even though they have made the car more neutral over the years its still very sketchy at its limit and VSA can be a life saver in cold or wet weather.

AP1
pros:
-9k redline
-more "pure" of a drivers car, more tail happy
-easier and cheaper to mod, but still not much for easy gains
cons:
-early AP1's are very tail happy
-dated, cramped interior
-less attractive headlights

AP2
pros:
-more usable power for driving around town
-updated interior
-more balanced, neutral handling
cons:
-8k redline

Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 07:20 PM

Oh so the 04 wasnt AP2? Thought it was....

Sarlacc 02-18-2008 07:30 PM


Originally Posted by JJaber06
13k miles for 19k? Fuck...if he doesn't take it I will...

Mom and Dad going to buy it for you?

TommySalami 02-18-2008 07:33 PM

When's the FMC for the s2000?

Sarlacc 02-18-2008 07:36 PM

There is a reason they are called Spin2000s on the autocross course :D

Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 07:41 PM

Oh and its Suzuka Blue hes looking at? Kinad girly color, no?

Sarlacc 02-18-2008 07:42 PM

Suzuka Blue fTW!!!

GreenMonster 02-18-2008 07:45 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
He found an 04 with 13k miles for $19k. Is that a good deal?

Good deal... Low mileage AP2's like that usually go for low $20's...

AP2 is 2004 and up...

Sweet spot for the S2000 seems to be the 02-05 IMHO... like the others have said, it's a toss up between a ap1 and ap2... but any s2k from 2005 on back can be had pretty cheaply.

Srika posted a nice break down of the issue by model year:

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...87&postcount=5


Originally Posted by srika

S2000's are pretty reliable, here's a rundown of the model years:

'00-'01 plastic rear window, radio not so good, some had tranny issues
'02-'03 updated w/ glass rear window, slight tweaks to taillights, better radio, no known issues with the car
'04-'05 updated 2.2L motor 8,000rpm, different front/rear facias, clutch delay valve to prevent clutch drop (can be disabled after couple hours of wrenching), 17" wheels
'06-'07 updated ECU, drive by wire, addition of traction control, new seats w/ speakers in the roll bar, radio is better, polished wheels with slightly different look


GreenMonster 02-18-2008 07:46 PM


Originally Posted by TommySalami
When's the FMC for the s2000?

:rofl: right after the next nsx comes out :tongue:

It appears that even honda doesn't know the answer for when the next s2k is going out :snicker:

Crazy Bimmer 02-18-2008 07:47 PM

Ah i stoopid, I always thought all AP2 had traction control.

Costco 02-18-2008 07:53 PM

I think there's a Hondata reflash for the AP2 which raises redline to 8600. Above that its not very safe due to the increased stroke for the F22. Its either Hondata or some other company like that, I read it on s2ki a while ago.

GreenMonster 02-18-2008 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Oh and its Suzuka Blue hes looking at? Kinad girly color, no?

Yeah, but that's only my opinion... I like Laguna Blue Pearl much better (2006 and up??), but that's me... Sarlacc likes suzuka blue, but he's a big gay girly black man :D

iTimmy 02-18-2008 08:28 PM

I don't like suzuka blue, but I hate the fact it comes with a blue interior - its the lowest value color the S2000 comes in.

Costco 02-18-2008 08:44 PM

I think Suzuka Blue is a sweet color. :annoyed: There really isn't an S2000 color I don't like though. I will agree that LBP is mucch better though.

Sarlacc 02-18-2008 08:52 PM


Originally Posted by GreenMonster
Yeah, but that's only my opinion... I like Laguna Blue Pearl much better (2006 and up??), but that's me... Sarlacc likes suzuka blue, but he's a big gay girly black man :D

HAY SAILOR!!!! :ghey:

ChrisQ1980 02-18-2008 09:18 PM

2 of my friends have 03 (AP1) and another has an 07 (AP2). I prefer the AP1 just because it rev's to 9k.

TheMirror 02-18-2008 09:26 PM

AP2 is where I would go, almost did before I bought the 968.

Updated interior, much less tail happy, 17" wheels are stock, better low end and midrange.

9000 rpm redlines are all well and good, but Motor Trend did a 0-60 with an AP1 back in the day shifting at 5,500rpm. It took 10 seconds.

Food for thought.

'06+ are the drive by wire, traction control versions.

-Mirror

P.S. as long as the car in question hasn't been wrecked or isn't a Katrina car, that's a fantastic deal. Caveat emptor...

Costco 02-18-2008 09:50 PM


Originally Posted by TheMirror
AP2 is where I would go, almost did before I bought the 968.

Updated interior, much less tail happy, 17" wheels are stock, better low end and midrange.

9000 rpm redlines are all well and good, but Motor Trend did a 0-60 with an AP1 back in the day shifting at 5,500rpm. It took 10 seconds.

Food for thought.

It all depends on the person. :shrug: I couldn't afford an AP1, so an AP2 was definitely out of my range. It gets to 9000 pretty quickly anyway, and its too much fun getting there.

My Z28 redlines at 6000rpm, and even though it doesn't exactly have a "tame" cam profile for street driving, I think if I shifted at 3500rpm it would take quite a while to get to 60 too. ;)

Well, maybe not 10 seconds, but it would take a while. Plus wouldn't 5500rpm be right under the VTEC engagement threshold, meaning the engine doesn't even use its full potential?

iTimmy 02-18-2008 09:53 PM

Another thing worth mentioning about ownership, make sure you have good insurance. Seat theft is all to common, and often will total a car, seats are over $4k each from the dealership and usually they slice your top open to get them, which also will need replacement, in addition to anything else the screw up trying to get them. Most seat thefts result in $12-15K in damage. This is a huge problem in Florida, Cali and all other major metropolitan areas, not so common in the 'burbs.

Costco 02-18-2008 10:02 PM


Originally Posted by iTimmy
Another thing worth mentioning about ownership, make sure you have good insurance. Seat theft is all to common, and often will total a car, seats are over $4k each from the dealership and usually they slice your top open to get them, which also will need replacement, in addition to anything else the screw up trying to get them. Most seat thefts result in $12-15K in damage. This is a huge problem in Florida, Cali and all other major metropolitan areas, not so common in the 'burbs.

Buy a hardtop! Looks great too.... and yes it is expensive, but I think its worth it.

iTimmy 02-18-2008 10:07 PM

I like the look, but if I wanted a hardtop I would have bought a different car, I know it can come off but I like a roadster to be a roadster. I live in a nice neighborhood, the car is always garaged, so I don't worry about it, but its worth mentioning.

If the insurance company totals the car a lot of guys buy it back, fix the top and buy aftermarket seats for a fraction of the cost and pocket the difference - you can get a bad ass aftermarket seat for $2k

eccjak 02-18-2008 11:27 PM

S2ki.com should have more info

TheMirror 02-19-2008 12:39 AM


Originally Posted by I Go To Costco
It all depends on the person. :shrug: I couldn't afford an AP1, so an AP2 was definitely out of my range. It gets to 9000 pretty quickly anyway, and its too much fun getting there.

My Z28 redlines at 6000rpm, and even though it doesn't exactly have a "tame" cam profile for street driving, I think if I shifted at 3500rpm it would take quite a while to get to 60 too. ;)

Well, maybe not 10 seconds, but it would take a while. Plus wouldn't 5500rpm be right under the VTEC engagement threshold, meaning the engine doesn't even use its full potential?

Yes indeed, all very much true as well. Very much agree that it depends on the individual tastes. On a side note, I guarantee the Motor Trend hacks planned it exactly that way....

I once tried to drive my '88 Mustang 5.0 Police Interceptor for an entire month shifting before 2000 rpm. I made it about a week, still jumped along at a pretty good clip.

Crazy Bimmer 02-19-2008 08:15 AM

Does Vtec engage at the same RPM on the AP1 and AP2? Or does the AP2 kick in sooner?

O-Town_TypeS 02-19-2008 09:17 AM


Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
Does Vtec engage at the same RPM on the AP1 and AP2? Or does the AP2 kick in sooner?


6k for both

I drive an 04.


I would tell your friend to go for it as long as there were no issues with the car itself. I use mine as a daily driver. I've had it for 4.5 years now and I still have as much fun today as I did when I first bought the car.

Crazy Bimmer 02-19-2008 10:16 AM

OK i bought it, err I mean my friend did. :ninja:

Got them down to $18,500. Picking it up tomorrow.

iTimmy 02-19-2008 10:20 AM

I forgot to mention, VTEC engagement is much more pronounced on the AP1 then the AP2, no one an agree which one is better :shrug:

Crazy Bimmer 02-19-2008 01:42 PM

So whats a must have mod for the S2k?

Brandon24pdx 02-19-2008 01:53 PM

Hondata reflash for the 06+ DBW models is bad ass. 05 and previous dont have flashable ECU.

eccjak 02-19-2008 01:57 PM

Toda Stroker Kit....

Soccer_playa1579 02-19-2008 02:18 PM

Im hopefully getting a 01 or 02 s2000 next year for graduation to replace the tl. I can't wait but thats only if insurance isnt killer =(..

iTimmy 02-19-2008 03:02 PM


Originally Posted by Crazy Sellout
So whats a must have mod for the S2k?

Maybe gears :shrug: they are the best bang for the buck, but it means your turning even higher RPM's when cruising on the highway, currently my AP2 is 3k RPM's at 55 and 4k at 75, I wouldn't want it to be any higher.

Unless you want to go FI there is no easy power, most intakes lose power, headers on a stock AP2 do nothing. Hondata's reflash increases redline, and lowers VTEC engagement when it senses WOT, which creates more power in the midrange, but generates no more peak HP or torque. Hondata offers a different reflash for those with a header which has better gains, but it is not safe to use on a car without a header.

The only thing I am doing to my car is a basic stereo upgrade, the factory system is really terrible.

Sarlacc 02-19-2008 03:21 PM

If this is going to be a track dedicated car....learn to drive it stock for a little bit. Once you get to know the car, then start in the with the mods.

You start modding right away and you are going to be racing in a class with drivers that will mop the floor with you.


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