I think I'd take a Gallardo or Aventador over a 12-C... but the McLaren's actual key is much better-looking.

If i had to choose for me it would be Zonda C

I think you could buy four 12Cs for the price of the cheapest Zonda

Ill take the 12C. Its a hell of a car.

Unless we're talking about a Gallardo Superleggera with the Underground Racing treatment.

As much as I love Lamborghinis, sometimes I feel like they are just a fancy VW with the same navi units and buttons and such. If I was in the market for a supercar, I would most definitely consider a Ferrari or a McLaren because they don't take parts from other makes or models.

The 1972 Ferrari Daytona used headlight motors from a Porsche 914

Way to shoot me down fellas!

I know that manufacturers commonly share parts but when paying supercar prices, I wouldn't want something highly visible like the navi unit out of a $35k Audi in my $250k Lambo

LP560-4 navi...


2004 A4...





Then you look at the dash of the 458 or the fax machine and I don't know of/can't find a radio that's taken out of a lower-end vehicle and put in it...





I'm not trying to say that sharing parts is bad or should be stopped. I'm just saying that if you're going to take something easily seen like a radio out of a A4 and put it in a vehicle that costs more than 5 times as much, change it up a little

I have a feeling the electronics behind the buttons are sourced from parts bins.

Without a doubt. I just want the buttons in my Gallardo to look different than the ones in a A4

Chrome around the dials and next to the buttons. Problem solved.

Just wrap them in a wood-grain vinyl; that'll do it.

I don't want my $250k supercar to look like a fax machine either.

Here we are arguing about the RNS-E while panties get bunched if the interior of the Challenger or Mustang gets criticized

They're buttons, though. What would you want them to look like? That's like me saying I want the turn stalk in my Aston Martin to be different than the one in a Focus.

You're also kind of focusing on the one part that manufacturers share across the board b/c they don't typically build navigation units themselves.

McLaren pretty much gets away with it because it's the only car they build for the road. But, if it eases your mind, the Aventador & the Murcielago's units are pretty unique to their models, even if they are really just screens.

I agree with him about the parts sharing. Ultimately it doesn't matter to me that the controls are the same, as long as they work well. But in a car like that where details matter, things like that should be considered. It comes off as being lazy. A relatively insignificant detail, but lazy nonetheless.

on a side note I remember sitting in my brother's friend's Gallardo... thing had a tape deck! C'mon man.

If you're the one driving the Gallardo, you'd probably be too busy driving to think about getting a bit of Audi on your hands. The dash layout is similar to Audi/VW as well.

Plus, if you had this kind of money you can trade it in for a Ferrari or McLaren... or maybe you already have those too. Then burn the Gallardo.

People teased the Corvette for having a Cobalt's steering wheel

Double standards.

Totally agree. I was one of them. It was cheap.

I'm not worried about the buttons individually but rather the whole unit. I'm not sure why the guys at Lamborghini said "let's build a $250k car and then take the navi out of a $35k car and install it in ours!". They took the time and effort to custom design pretty much everything else yet they cut corners like that.

Same thing with the ZR1 with the Cobalt steering wheel. They spend years of design and testing and promoting and such and then forget about the main thing that the driver sees and feels while driving. It just screams laziness to me

probably because people who buy these cars truly dont give a f*ck about minor details like that? i dont know...if I were buying a lambo I wouldn't care if it had a nav unit let alone one from an audi. its a lambo not a daily driver.

I understand your point but our opinions are irrelevant lol

I agree with Tyler.

If you're spending that much on a supercar, I dont want the parts that I touch every time Im driving (radio, hvac, steering wheel) to be out of the bargain bin.

I dont care if whats behind those buttons are out of a $35k car. But at least put a new face plate, or something to differentiate it.

I agree with Tyler.

If you're spending that much on a supercar, I dont want the parts that I touch every time Im driving (radio, hvac, steering wheel) to be out of the bargain bin.

I dont care if whats behind those buttons are out of a $35k car. But at least put a new face plate, or something to differentiate it.

They made it a different color

The RNS-E isn't a bad unit. But it shows the age of the Gallardo.

At least they didn't put that same V-10 in three different cars...oh, wait...

that's lame too... one of my pet peeves, in fact. Hell, I used to get annoyed that Nissan would put that blasted VQ35 into every kind of vehicle - sedans, sports cars, trucks - and bitch about it. It's pretty damn lazy. Thinking about it now, it seems pretty trivial and unimportant that Nissan would do it. Not sure why I took it so seriously lol.

Don't forget one of the weirdest such examples, the Diablo using the 300ZX's headlights... wtf was going on there.

not sure what having a tape deck has to do with the rest of the discussion...

trying to say this in the 'nicest' way possible - remember there are many older people buying these cars. and older people have lots of tapes. and they like listening to their tapes. and they don't know how to convert them to mp3's. or they don't have the time for that. so they like having tape decks.

My '05 S4 came with a tape deck. That wasn't that long ago so I too wonder why that's such a big deal.

The Gallardo has been around for a while so they're sort of limited on what they can do now that Audi has gone to an integrated Navi unit.

Well, if it bothers you that much, then your options in the supercar market are severely limited. Ferrari & Porsche are guilty of sharing parts as well. In fact, I'm betting there's even some BMW features sitting in $300,000+ Rolls Royces. They've all done it in some form or another.

Why are you getting so defensive? I know Rolls-Royce uses a lot of BMW parts and technology and that's fine with me. I don't see any main BMW parts inside of a Rolls though...





Like I've stated before, I don't care if manufacturers share parts, especially if they aren't visible. I just see using an A4 radio in a Gallardo and a Cobalt steering wheel in a ZR1 as pure laziness.

Would it be acceptable for a Veyron to have a radio unit or a steering wheel from a Jetta since VW owns Bugatti? Or would it be alright if Acura put the steering wheel from a Civic into the new NSX just because Acura is part of Honda?

I'd guess parts sharing happens WAY more often than we'd like to know about.

Anyone know what happened to the Mercury Marauder restoration thread? "Barn Fresh" I believe. I have not seen an update in a while and couldn't find it in any searches...

I believe OP had it deleted.

Correct. AFAIK, OP picked up a stalker and it made the whole thing rather impossible to maintain online. Unfortunate.

Damn holiday deals...

Just ordered a stage 2 rear motor mount from CP-E for the ST. Along with the Steeda rear sway bar and SCT calibration device and Unleashed Tuning tune, I'm already stockpiling parts before the car is even built.

There's no defense here. Just humor that someone gets upset that 2 cars on opposite ends of the spectrum share a navigation unit, then says he would buy from a manufacturer who's guilty of the same thing. Then he picks such an extreme example of a $1,000,000 custom tailored car to have Jetta parts.

But, whatever. You're the one who made the false statement, but I'm the one getting defense for correcting it.

That sucks. Hope he is able to share the finished product some day...

Ok. I see the Gallardo issue as two separate things:

1. When Audi bought Lamborghini and built the Gallardo, I'm going to guess that at the time (2002) the RNS-E was actually a pretty high quality unit. But also to save costs in development they used the binnacle from a B6. I don't fault them back then for doing that.

2. It's been a decade since the Gallardo hit the showroom. They could and should have considered updating it since the R8 has a better MMI than the Gallardo does.

TL;DR - It might have made sense at the time but to still use it IS just being cheap/lazy.

Why are you referring to me as "he"? My name is Tyler if that makes it easier on you

If you're referring to the California navigation unit using Chrysler stuff, you are correct about that and I never acknowledged it. That's my fault, I'll gladly admit that, but I never said I would purchase that car. I'm not sure if the 458 uses the same technology but my argument is geared towards the clearly visible parts/aspects of a vehicle (ex. ZR1 and Cobalt).

I was being over dramatic with the Veyron example on purpose. Isn't it the same principle? Don't you think that people would have criticized Bugatti if a Jetta radio was equipped when years and millions of dollars was used to custom design and custom fabricate everything else on the car? Of course. That's why they designed their own. It's not the price, it's the basic principle. I feel like some (probably most) manufacturers cut corners and expect the consumer not to notice and to me, that's a big turn off.

Here's another example; the Noble M400 using Sonata taillights:





I just don't understand why a company would spend time, money, and effort into designing, testing, and producing a car, and then cut corners like that. Pure laziness IMO. And yes, I am aware that the Noble is considered a kit car.

And you can disagree with my POV all you want but it shouldn't be labeled as wrong or "false" as you put it