Rick_TL-S

Yes. The Hellcat came last on a circuit & the Mustang was voted best all around.

Everyone here could have predicted such odds.

charliemike

It only finished a second behind the Mustang which is pretty good.

MarbleGT

Anyone ever noticed how at least half of the BRZs/FRSs on eBay are either wrecked or have salvage titles?

My prediction is insurance costs are going to skyrocket for that car.

VR1

lmao
2015 Ford Mustang GT 50 Years Limited Edition, $74,696 - Cars.com

srika

just saw video of rolling races C7 Z06 vs Viper TA...... it wasn't pretty.....

I realized at the end of the video that it was our own guy....

MarbleGT

They knocked it out of the park with the new Viper.

srika

uh...

wtf.

this is hilarious... I've run about 100 laps at this track (Gingerman) in my Supra and my best time was the same they ran in the Z/28 (1:41) - this was in 2001 - I am not a pro driver and my Supra only had 480hp and old generation street performance tires (not street race tires) amongst a myriad of other 1990's era technology - stock brakes and pads, updated suspension but far from any kind of race setup. These people were fking babying these cars around the track. It's just funny because you kind of assume when they do a test like this that they have drivers who know what they are doing. Automobile magazine FTL, gives me new appreciation for Randy Pobst and MT.

Hell, I'm pretty sure I could have done better than 1:41 with the Z28 at Gingerman, with a few laps. That thing is a fking street-legal race car!!!

Majofo

Fucking Camry.. ugh.. still better than the TLX though.

Majofo

Randy is the fking man.. love Randy Pobst.

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

hah! nice, he pitted them against each other?

I'll have to call him to hang out.

Majofo

Fucking Nauman..

I'll steal his raptor and run over bof'em

srika

oh yeah, the point of the story above about Gingerman is that that video is a joke and you can't make any conclusions from it.

Majofo

I swear he smuggles drugs money bitches and guns across the border.. all his races.. in "mexico"

srika

I suppose I can post it here, seeing how its public

Majofo

Well.. I think it's safe to assume that the hellcat is not a track car. Good on the straights, heavy on the brakes, turns like a boat.

Majofo

Nauman..

srika

Agreed, but I'd be able to do better than 1:45 or whatever they did with it at Gingerman. I'd bet money on it. Now, that's a smaller track too - but there are opportunities for that 700hp to take you places. For some comparison, a friend with a race-prepped 1996 Viper GTS on slicks ran 1:32 at that track taking it relatively easy, since he had a passenger (me). There are a good number of seconds to be made there, regardless of power level.

Rick_TL-S

True, but going into the comparison, was there any who thought the Hellcat would come anywhere but last & the Z/28 in first?
There's a lot of speculation that the guy wasn't even pushing the Z/28 to its potential like he did the GT.

charliemike

The point wasn't to set a new track record. It was a writer going back to back to back and the Z/28 is three seconds faster than the Mustang and four seconds faster than the Challenger.

It's a relevant video. But it isn't surprising that the Camaro is so fast. It IS surprising the Hellcat is only a second slower than the Mustang.

RPhilMan1

Why...?

I was at Ford on Saturday and I took a look around the lot at the new Mustangs they had. They had 5 of them and they were all the 5.0, with two of them being the 50 Year (three were black and two were Ruby Red, all Premium). They did not have any kind of markup on the 50 Year (or the others). Out of the 5, only one of them was MT. It was black on black with the performance package. The 19" wheels were nice but I did not like the look of black wheels on black exterior. It also had the Recaros. Sticker was $44k. I see what CM was saying, even the normal seats looked comfortable and had considerable bolstering. The Recaros just have nicer leather, red stitching, and a sportier seatback. Could probably forgo the $1595 option, but they were damn nice. If I was ordering one I'd probably just spend the extra money.

With 5 of them sitting on the lot, especially now in December, I wonder if they will discount them a bit.

Looking at their site, it seems they have a V6 and EB on the way, as well as another MT 5.0.

Pricing is pretty spread out. They show the V6 at $26,405, the EB at $35,165, and the GT Premiums at $43,390 and up.

They also have 5 Focus STs in stock, and one on dealer order. No Fiesta STs.

New F-150 is nice, too.

SamDoe1

So I went and drove the new Mustang GT Premium over the weekend and oh em gee. That driving that car is like driving around in a cloud of thunder. Comfortable and quiet just burbling around town and makes all kinds of the right sounds when you hit the go pedal. New 6 speed is fantastic and clutch is light and accurate. Super easy car to drive from what I can tell, didn't really push it too hard because of the road conditions here (lots of opportunities for unexpected icy patches) but the areas I did give it a go, it took it with ease. No more bunny hopping rear end, no more feeling like the car is going to spin out around turns, just planted and firm. Gives the M3/4 a definite run for its money (literally).

Wife loved it so much she no longer wants an S2k and is willing to pony (pun intended) up for this car instead.

Majofo

Do eet Sammy.. so much value! such v8! poniesss!

justnspace

iTrader: (1)

wow! so much Doge.

Majofo

SamDoe1

If I do buy one, it won't be ordered until April-ish. It makes zero sense to buy one right now because I wouldn't drive it for another 4-5 months anyway and I'm not sure I have the will power to do that. I probably wouldn't get the Recaros or the performance package since the level of track duty the car would see isn't going to make the performance package worth it and the standard seats are really quite nice.

My company offers XPlan pricing so none of the dealership market markup BS matters to me.

Majofo

I like the recaros, but I'm sure the stock seats are plenty.

charliemike

I get X-Plan too so that is why I'm looking at the EB. I can get it for about $31K OTD.

The GT is tempting, of course.

Majofo

The performance package is well worth it IMO..

The GT Performance Package Includes:
• Strut-tower brace
• Larger radiator
• Unique chassis tuning
• Upsized rear sway bar
• Heavy-duty front springs
• Instrument panel appliques are Engine Turn aluminum
• Interior gauge pack (oil pressure and vacuum)
• K-brace
• Brembo™ 6-piston front brake calipers with larger rotors
• Unique 19”x 9” (front) 19”x 9.5” (rear) Ebony Black aluminum wheels
• 255/40R19 (front) 275/40R19 (rear) summer only tires
• Unique stability control, EPAS and ABS tuning
• 3.73 TORSEN® rear axle
• Spoiler delete

The EcoBoost® Performance Package Includes:
• Upsized rear sway bar (Fastback only)
• Unique chassis tuning
• Larger brake rotors with 4-piston calipers
• Unique 19” x 9” Ebony Black aluminum wheels
• 255/40R19 Summer Only Tires
• Unique EPAS, ABS and stability control tuning
• Instrument panel appliques are Aluminum
• Interior gauge pack (oil pressure and boost)
• 3.55 limited-slip rear axle
• Larger radiator
• Heavy-duty front spring (Fastback only)
• Spoiler delete

SamDoe1

This won't be my daily so the GT is a must. If I bought the EB, I'd daily drive it. At this point I just plan on keeping the 3G TLS until it dies which is who knows how long from now. Currently running at 143k miles and still chugging along. At this point, there's nothing I really want on the market anyway.

If Ford drops the Focus RS in January, the thought of the Mustang may go out the window in favor of that since I could daily it.

I know but none of that really helps on a daily basis. The stock GT brakes are already 4 piston calipers and the handling is quite adequate. Besides, if this ever hits the track it'll be with aftermarket suspension anyway.

Majofo

The road is my track..

RPhilMan1

Definitely get the Performance Package.

It wouldn't need any mods for a while. Enough time to start saving up for them.

Aman

Do the V6 an EB both have the same equipment?? Because that's almost $9,000 between them.


CM maybe you should get the V6.

VR1

The V6 is only sold as a rental-spec version. There's no Peformance pack or Premium version.

SamDoe1

If you want a V6, you should buy a different car.

fsttyms1

Nonsense. Ever drive one with 275s on all 4 corners

srika

so, I don't think it's been figured out yet, but something does seem to be going on with the C7 Z06. I first noticed it with the 1/4 mile trap speeds, which were much lower than expected. Then came the Atlanta track performance. It's not as fast as it's supposed to be. Here is a comment from the Viper video that addresses it well:
I would say this is a developing story and we will be hearing more about it soon.

Rick_TL-S

Did he film that with a potato?
Heat soak & ECU. The potential is there, the car is just corked.

Majofo

Supposedly.. the vid description says they had to capture it from a phone with playback on a small screen. Looks legit though.

charliemike

The base V6 is not an option. The EB Premium is definitely worth the extra money. And the base EB Premium isn't $9,000 more.

Yumcha

But, you ...so, you drive extra slow on the express lane.