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Old 04-08-2014, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
did everyone see MT's comparison vid of GTR vs Z28? just saw it today. pretty nice!
I did not notice a video...They have something similar but also pits those 2 cars against a Porsche 911 Turbo...

Article and nice photos here: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/..._r_comparison/
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cool I'll post it in carvideos thread
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Old 04-08-2014, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by srika
cool I'll post it in carvideos thread
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Originally Posted by charliemike
A 328d M-Sport with the Lighting package and Harmon Kardon is $45k. That's not too bad, all things considered. It does leave me wishing some things were in there like comfort access and heated seats for the money but a two to three year old 328d for $30-32k off lease could end up being quite a bargain.
Yah those diesels are not cheap. but you can't really find many RWD coupe/sedan in the US. So i guess you are paying for exclusivity.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
BMW's M235 is pitted against the Lexus IS-F in a drag race...vroom.

2014 BMW M235i vs Lexus IS F Drag Race: Mighty V8 vs Inline-6 Turbo - YouTube
as fast as N55 is. i find it hard to believe Stock N55 can be faster than ISF.

While i was in service, i talked to the sales guy about the lease price on those M235i because i really like it.

He said right now the program is very bad since the car is new. M235i are going for close to $700 a month with $3000 down on a $47k MSRP one.

even i was after that. i guess there will always be suckas.
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If we've got the money and our heart set on a M235i, I don't think buying it now is being a sucker. Life is too short to not do what makes us feel good as long as we're responsible about it.
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
it is stupid to lease a car for that long. that defeats the whole purpose of leasing.

i was trying to compare to typical finance terms of 60 months. Leasing anything more than 36 months is stupid.
I read your post in response to Yummy wrong. Sorry.

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I can't agree with you on that. Leasing is perfect for people who have new car itch like me every 2-3 years and don't want to have any of the "upside downs" usually associated with finance the car for 60 months.
That doesn't really change what I said. You can have the itch for a new car every 3-5 years but that doesn't mean you see cars the way this forum does.

None the less, I wasn't referring to anyone else but a large chunk of our clientele. They're not car enthusiasts, they're folks who want a luxury car they don't really have to worry about in the long run until it's time to return it and get another. 51% of our clients last month leased.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
BMW's M235 is pitted against the Lexus IS-F in a drag race...vroom.

2014 BMW M235i vs Lexus IS F Drag Race: Mighty V8 vs Inline-6 Turbo - YouTube
I fucking hate TFL vids. Why do we need vids and comparos from high altitude? Their vids aren't even entertaining. Fastest to 60 on a winding road.. for fucks sake.

Obviously a turbocharged vehicle is not nearly as disadvantaged as a NA vehicle at altitude. Total fucking waste of time.

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Originally Posted by srika
did everyone see MT's comparison vid of GTR vs Z28? just saw it today. pretty nice!
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
I did not notice a video...
Originally Posted by Yumcha
Thanks.
Are you freaking sleeping today? I expect this from gwai ro, not you.
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Are you freaking sleeping today? I expect this from gwai ro, not you.
Maybe.
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So C&D did a write up of vehicles to wait for and the Toyota FT-1 was on the list.. 2018.

It's 3 years out, but what concerned me is it sounds like it's being marketed for a reasonable price point with a refreshed NA I4/V6. It sounds more like a Celica replacement than Supra. Sucks.. definitely not something to wait for.
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Originally Posted by Rick_TL-S
I read your post in response to Yummy wrong. Sorry.


That doesn't really change what I said. You can have the itch for a new car every 3-5 years but that doesn't mean you see cars the way this forum does.

None the less, I wasn't referring to anyone else but a large chunk of our clientele. They're not car enthusiasts, they're folks who want a luxury car they don't really have to worry about in the long run until it's time to return it and get another. 51% of our clients last month leased.
only 51%? Germans are much much higher.
if you are talking about the large chunk of your clientele, then that big chunk usually have no idea what money factor or residual value is and they most likely don't even know what torque is or where/what the cabin filter is.

the small percentage of "us" on the forum actually care about figuring out the #s and compare what works and what doesn't.

People in car talks get new cars pretty often, that is why we have the "My car needs XXX, so I xxxx" threads.
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Cabin filter.. shitt.. I've met a lot of people who couldn't tell you where the hood release is. These are smarties as well. When the E90 335i first came out, an acquaintance (PhD EE) came over to the house behind the wheel of one. I asked her about it, any noticeable turbo lag, etc.. Her response.. "it has turbos??"

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
as fast as N55 is. i find it hard to believe Stock N55 can be faster than ISF..
They're at high altitude..
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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
only 51%? Germans are much much higher.
Not surprising, but it wasn't a comparison.
if you are talking about the large chunk of your clientele, then that big chunk usually have no idea what money factor or residual value is and they most likely don't even know what torque is or where/what the cabin filter is.

the small percentage of "us" on the forum actually care about figuring out the #s and compare what works and what doesn't.
Thanks because that is exactly what I just said before you had to "disagree".
They don't see cars the way we do; they're just fancy modes of transportation they have to buy every few years & have the excess money to do so.
Originally Posted by you
I can't agree with you on that.

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Originally Posted by Yumcha
Since some of you treegoats don't even know the Motorsports sub-forum exists, this thread may be worthy of your time: https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...9#post14957779
Holy hell, some unseen pics of the GT-One "road" car there & it's 2 sister cars.

Chassis LM802, LM907, & LM803 I believe. Wonder where the other 3 are.
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That drag race video was about 4 minutes longer than necessary. Don't call it a drag race and then have most of the video show two dip shit people babble.
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Originally Posted by Majofo
So C&D did a write up of vehicles to wait for and the Toyota FT-1 was on the list.. 2018.

It's 3 years out, but what concerned me is it sounds like it's being marketed for a reasonable price point with a refreshed NA I4/V6. It sounds more like a Celica replacement than Supra. Sucks.. definitely not something to wait for.
I don't really buy that, from everything everyone has said about the car, it looks like they want it to be the next Supra.
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Originally Posted by srika
I don't really buy that, from everything everyone has said about the car, it looks like they want it to be the next Supra.
I hope you're right. A lot of hype, one fucking beastly looking concept, and executives who think the Avalon is an enthusiast's vehicle.
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Originally Posted by Yumcha
BMW's M235 is pitted against the Lexus IS-F in a drag race...vroom.

2014 BMW M235i vs Lexus IS F Drag Race: Mighty V8 vs Inline-6 Turbo - YouTube
I really like the M235's exhaust note more than the IS-F...
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Originally Posted by Majofo
I hope you're right. A lot of hype, one fucking beastly looking concept, and executives who think the Avalon is an enthusiast's vehicle.
If I were Toyota, I'd use the RC's platform and just make the next Supra a little more crazy. Economies of scale and all that.
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Maserati raced by Stirling Moss can be yours...if your name is BoostedJack or Altegris...

Gawddarn is it pretty...








Information from here: http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...sale-in-monaco

What would you do with 4 million-5.5 million euros (around $5.5m-$7.6m)? A fleet of Bugatti Veyrons, perhaps? Build the biggest garage you can and fill it with pretty much every one of your dream cars?
If the 1956 Maserati 450S Prototype by Fantuzzi hits its estimate at an RM Auctions sale in Monaco on May 10, one buyer will have spent that amount on that stunning race car alone. Driven by Stirling Moss and Denis Jenkinson at the 1956 Mille Miglia, the car was originally built as a six-cylinder with the chassis number 3501. Before the Mille Miglia race in Italy that year, engineers quickly installed the now-incumbent 5,657cc 90-degree V-8 engine, producing an impressive 520 horsepower. Moss crashed the car when its brakes gave out during the race--perching the car precariously against a tree over a ravine.

Since then the car has gained the chassis number 4501, once used on an entirely different Maserati 450S but now verified for this car. Since then the car has been sold on to various owners, even receiving a Corvette V-8 engine during a 1965 restoration. After that the car was sold to a buyer in the U.S, who sold it once again in 1970. That owner actually used the car on the roads of California, but the car returned to Italy in 1981 in the hands of an Italian collector. It received a full, authentic and Maserati-overseen restoration in 1987, resulting in its current status.

It isn't the only striking Italian lot at the upcoming Monaco auction. Alongside it is a 1955 Lancia D50A Formula One recreation, built from original plans for the late Tom Wheatcroft, who owned the historic Donington Park circuit for many years. As a recreation its 800,000-900,000 euro estimate ($1.1m-$1.24m) is lower than the "real thing", but this is as close as recreations get to the cars driven by Fangio and Ascari back in 1955.

Another work of art gracing the block in Monaco is a 1954 Bentley R-Type Continental Fastback Sports Saloon by Franay. The ultra-rare car--just three were made in this design--has an estimate of 725,000-1m euros ($999K-$1.37m). The design is a mixture of British class and Gallic flair, the Bentley uses a 178-horsepower, 4,566cc six-cylinder engine with twin SU carbs. The seller describes it as "the grandest of British tourers", and it's up for auction in Monaco on May 10, a few weeks before the Monaco Grand Prix.
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That looks amazing. I'm like well yeah if i had a million dollars someday...scroll down further oh shit never mind.
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I saw the 450S that Carroll Shelby raced, and yeah it's pretty.

https://acurazine.com/forums/showpos...postcount=8303

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Maserati raced by Stirling Moss can be yours...if your name is BoostedJack or Altegris...

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i just built a 2014 mustang 5.0 GT with $36,000 sticker (brembo, track package and tech) and checked the price on Truecar

People are getting those at $29xxx now?

Talking about bang for your buck performance.
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That's great for under 30k
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What's TrueCar on a comparable Camaro?
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Originally Posted by Aman
What's TrueCar on a comparable Camaro?
A 2SS Camaro is TrueCar'ing at $34k.

The 2015 Mustang is really depressing the value of the current car. I bet quite a few people are waiting.
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$95,000 F-Type S used for $78K

F-Type on Autotrader

Think I can get 120 month financing?

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Jesus that is quite the hit in value for being relatively new.
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As minivans go, this isn't bad. It's a Ford S-Max Vignale concept for Europe. The Vignale trim is above Titanium and entitles owners to a bit more concierge-type services.

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Originally Posted by oonowindoo
i just built a 2014 mustang 5.0 GT with $36,000 sticker (brembo, track package and tech) and checked the price on Truecar

People are getting those at $29xxx now?

Talking about bang for your buck performance.
If one doesn't care for the new 2015 model, this is the perfect time to pick up a 2014 at such a good price.

Hmm I wonder if I could get a really good deal...

Going to search dealer lots now.
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Originally Posted by charliemike
F-Type on Autotrader

Think I can get 120 month financing?

maybe 240?
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the 2015 Premium Escalade and Premium Escalade ESV, are going for roughly $86,000 and $89,000....


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