TylerT

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https://ventura.craigslist.org/cto/d...128935480.html

e30cabrio - This is a LOT of car for the money.

Also ... have you looked at the 3.0T A6s? You can find decent examples for under 12k, too.

rockstar143

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and that is even more comfort than the S4 and fully capable.

civicdrivr

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That's a decent deal. High miles, but it is a 7yr old car.

e30cabrio

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Thanks for the link Tyler.

I loved my 4.8 X5 until things started breaking and I was afraid of a Vanos failure. I looked into fixing it preemptively but it required a slew of expensive specialized tools and the parts were over 3k. I replaced the waterpump (& water-cooled alternator)??? and traded it in.

How does hot coolant cool an alternator?

TylerT

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Yeah - All depends on PO's maintenance but .. if that thing passed pre-purchase inspection (with compression check maybe), I'd be game.

I sound like a broken record but, I think the supercharged 3.0T is Audi's best V6 they've ever made.

civicdrivr

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I'd be curious about how much life is left in that clutch, given the mileage.

TylerT

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Anyone's guess .. better than no records I suppose .

e30cabrio - what's your price range?

e30cabrio

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Initially, it was 10k, then 20. Now I'm thinking I might sell the Tundra and get something new or new adjacent. If I do that 60- 70k max


Like I said the other day, I'm all over the place.

civicdrivr

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If new/new adjacent, that opens up a TON of options.

What cars are currently in your stable?

SamDoe1

How the F do you go from 10k to 70k?

Teach me your ways!

Aman

Is that the last year of the MT in the S4s? Must be close to it.

TylerT

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If that's the case .. get a CPO 6MT M3

civicdrivr

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I'd assume the sale of the Tundra (~$25k?) certainly helps.

2016 IIRC.

Costco

heckkkk noooo

From owner reviews I've read, the F80 is disappointing. The E90/E92, better make sure the rod bearings were addressed.

I would rather get a 6th gen Camaro SS 1LE. The only concrete, non-subjective things you lose out on are the backseat and interior fit and finish. Even the ride in the Camaro is supposed to be better.

Costco

I would rather have an M2C over an F80 M3/M4.

rockstar143

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Yep...2016

e30cabrio

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We have the Tundra, 2017 Prius, 2019 Camry Hybrid, 94 Land Cruiser, '92 e30 Cabrio, (Mexico cars) 2016 Mini Clubman, 2018 Fiat 500. 2015 Peugeot 508GT

I started on a fun extra car, after looking I realized I want something better & am falling out of love with the Tundra. The 2017 M2 I posted started that catharsis.

This!

TylerT

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I can see how the M2C is desireable / could cross shop, (I wanted the N55 non-competition but ultimately abandoned my search) ... but, I can't see how the F8x would be disappointing .. especially in a 4 door trim.

From a reliability stand point, only achilles heel of the F80 M3/4 is it's premature crank hub failure ... otherwise, car is stout & handles pretty damn well.

They're animals with just downpipes, E85, and tuning ... 550whp / 575wtq on stock turbos / bolt ons all day long.

SamDoe1

Tell me more...

Aman

M2/C for fun extra car, M3/M4 for fun daily.

Costco makes a good point about the American muscle/sports cars now being available! Camaro SS/Mustang GT350s are both good options.

I'm partial to the 5th-gen Z28. LS7, wide tires, ligh(er) weight... these things are special:

TylerT

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https://lmgtfy.com/?q=F80+Crank+hub+failure

Costco

I asked a current SS 1LE owner who had an F80 M3, though he tracked them. Weaknesses may be more apparent at 9/10ths and 10/10ths. IMO, if you're not tracking vehicles of this caliber, WTF are you doing?

Reviews seem to put the two vehicles very close together in terms of performance too.

To your point though, being F/I the F80 will respond much better to power adders

Costco

Back in 2011 when the Coyote V8 was first offered in the Mustang, feelings were getting hurt when a lowly Mustang GT was going toe-to-toe with the M3.

The BMW is still leagues ahead in terms of interior quality and features, yes. I haven't tried the latest version, but I spent a month in an F10 528i and loved its iDrive.

The gap is even slimmer now in 2020 with magnetic ride control offered in the domestics. I'm weary of the GT350 blowing up motors but pony cars these days outperform RS and M cars for still a fraction of the price.

civicdrivr

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The #1 thing that turns me off from the F80 is the engine sound. They sound terrible to me.

If I were considering an M3 type car I'd be hard pressed to not at least consider the Guilia Quadrifogliololololololol - if it had to be a four door. Outside of that, just get a used Cayman.

e30cabrio

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I loooove the Alpha. Unfortunately it's a glorified Fiat.

I'm old enough to remember US Fiats (had an 82 131 wagon) Damn thing had so many weird faults (ignition switch would get hot and the car would shut down) no Fiats for me.

Costco

Surely once you disable the piped-in engine noise and open up the exhaust, the M3 would sound quite aggressive, I would think? I want to like it, as the bulgy fenders give me a bulge.

If I made enough money I would be in a 981 Cayman for sure. It's everything I would want in a car.

TylerT

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Caymen =

rockstar143

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What ever happened to Daewoo? It seems like they are never part of these discussions despite having some pretty special models.

Aman

Some of them were 4-door too

SamDoe1

I think a lot of these motor blowing up issues are pretty overblown (pun intended?) especially for something like a GT350 which doesn't have that exotic of an engine.

Cayman doesn't work if you need the rear doors/seat. Otherwise I fully agree with you. the Alfa QV only makes sense as a lease unless you want a second mortgage for repair/service bills. The M3, while not Ford levels of reliability/service cost, is at least a fairly reliable car.

00TL-P3.2

Daewoo....

Costco

Flat-plane V8 isn't exotic? does it need to be in a Ferrari? Heh.

Long thread but this guy has a 2020 and the engine seized with less than 2,000 miles, Ford replaced it

https://www.mustang6g.com/forums/thr...ailure.133081/

These things are still under warranty, so should be fine. But I would be weary otherwise. Seems like a design problem, rather than a screwup during assembly like with the Focus RS

00TL-P3.2

I also seem to recall it being mentioned that oil consumption [on the GT350 & R] of ~1qt/x,000 miles was 'normal'/within spec? I want to say it was per 1k miles, but can't recall for sure.

Aman

^ In fairness, I think lots of automakers say that, considering the alternative is usually some significant engine work.

SamDoe1

Unless they are all dying (Like Porsche GT2 engines) I wouldn't be concerned. There are issues with the manufacture and assembly of everything. The fact that the motor shat the bed after 2k miles is evidence of a one off failure IMO. Also, it was replaced under warranty which is the point of the warranty.

And no, it's not exotic. Just because it's flat plane doesn't mean anything lol, that's just the configuration of the crankshaft. Ferraris burn themselves to the ground fairly regularly.

Lots of automakers consider that normal. BMW said 2qt per 1000 miles was fine.

Costco

Just wasn't sure what the criteria for an exotic engine was, nor why it mattered

Unless having an external combustion engine is "exotic"?

I guess I'm just horribly out of touch. That's what I would expect out of a rotary. Maybe high performance cars aren't for me.

BMW also used to have "lifetime" transmission fluid.

Aman

That kind of oil consumption is not actually normal.

e30cabrio

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My Z used 2 quarts per 1k & Nissan replaced the motor at 18k WITH THE SAME MOTOR.

At 38k/months it started over, just outside the 12k /12 month warranty they gave the new motor. & 36-month powertrain warranty. I argued and lost, that's why I'll never own another new Nissan.

My Wife is onboard with a new/new adjacent car but wants me to wait until next year until things are "normal" I'll keep looking.

Maybe a corona lost job project will go up for sale and I'll do that for now. I have 9k cash and the Tundra to play with right now and if I hold out I'll be allowed to roll that into up to a 600/mo payment (which I looooove not having) Everything we have now is paid for.

It's fun looking & dreaming isn't it?

civicdrivr

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I'm referring to the engine note outside the car.

That's why I said outside of a four door

SamDoe1

So does Lexus. The previous gen IS didn't even have a drain port for the tranny fluid.

I consider exotic cars to be the hand built, small volume, bespoke things like Ferraris, the real Lambos (Aventador), etc. Even then, the issues are almost never the engine itself, it's usually something else that takes the car down.

Same. I'm torn between getting a GT350 or Cayman and daily driving the Jeep or offloading the Golf for a Tesla or lightly used CPO AMG wagon/Porsche sport turismo wagon. Though if Caddy brings back the real V wagon with manual, I'm all in on that.