$45K for a used (potentially new) performance sedan...what would you look at?
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As the MT comparison stated, those 2 cars are quite diff.
Compare this...
And during aggressive cornering over uneven pavement, the Genesis tended to exhibit an unwanted kickback through the helm. Otherwise, we were all grins. The backseat, while not as cavernous as the Avalon's, was still spacious and comfy. Gas mileage, at 18/27 EPA and 21.0 observed, was downright respectable, especially in light of the sports-car acceleration and grip. Overall, the Genesis substantiated itself as more engaging than the Taurus, more fun than the Avalon, and more rewarding than both. As Mike Connor concluded: "The Hyundai is far and away the superior car here. When it comes to luxury, refinement, and dynamics, the Avalon and Taurus come across as wannabes; the Genesis, the real deal."
to this.
The Avalon's ride, too, is soft and serene, making this big Toy ideal for long hauls, whether to the airport or cross country.
Given its supple suspenders, the Avalon ranked behind the others in objective and subjective handling scores. Its skidpad (0.76 g) and figure-eight (27.7 sec at 0.61 g) performances trailed those of the Taurus and Genesis, and the same can be said of the Toyota on a curvy byway. "The limits are very low in the twisties," observes Loh. "Tires howl at the mere suggestion of understeer, followed by an abrupt nudge from the stability-control system. These elements conspire with noticeable body roll to make the Avalon a difficult, uninspiring car to drive briskly." The steering, feathery and great for cruising, is not well suited for hustling home over the mountain. "Steering is light and on-center is pretty solid, but there's not a lot of feel when arcing right and left," notes our Exec.
What kept the Toyota from taking top honors, other than its languid handling, were bland sheetmetal and a lack of personality.
In terms of handling/driving dynamics - I think most people would agree that the Genesis is more similar to the GS than Avalon, while conversely, the Azera is more similar to the Avalon than GS.
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far better tire than the stock dunlop
Sure a 335i may be more fun in the twisties, but unless OP decides to go onto canyon roads or tracks often, he wont need a great handling car that has trade offs of luxurious features which he would want more often
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All these Lancer owners don't seem to think so.
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...tirePageLocQty=
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Really?
All these Lancer owners don't seem to think so.
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...tirePageLocQty=
All these Lancer owners don't seem to think so.
http://www.tirerack.com/survey/Surve...tirePageLocQty=
Try this one, the right one.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....re+%28H%26V%29
90% of the best and a tie gives it a shared spot for 3-4th rank in this class. Not bad.
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Why are you involving the 5000, a different tire ?
Try this one, the right one.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....re+%28H%26V%29
Try this one, the right one.
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires....re+%28H%26V%29
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For the record, the Dunlop SP are very good tires. I have a set on my car and love them. They are well rated on Tirerack as well. If something is not up to the task, blame the Hyundai not the tires.
Barking at the wrong tree; nobody suggested the OP a 335i, certainly not with 3 kids. Reread.
Barking at the wrong tree; nobody suggested the OP a 335i, certainly not with 3 kids. Reread.
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I guess it never occurred to you why there are numerous Genesis sedan owners who reviewed the Dunlop SP Sport 5000M and none (from what I saw) who reviewed the SP Sport Signature. lol
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So I got a call Saturday that a 2012 Genesis 3.8 V6 (oh well) was delivered to my local dealer. Took a ride out with my father-in-law (who's also looking for a car and checked it out. I love the new rear with the integrated exhaust tips.
They switched out all of the interior "plood" with a really nice piano black finish.
Power folding mirrors are a really nice touch especially with a narrow garage.
Didn't get to test the lane avoidance system.
With the bump in HP in the V6 it's almost a certainty the 4.6L engine will go bye-bye. The 3.8 has a ton of power. It's 333HP and 291lb of torque. But I still want the R-Spec with 429hp/376tq.
Great car but for the price, I still think the V8 is the way to go. You really don't sacrifice in fuel economy, 19/29 for the V6 and 16/25 for the 5.0L V8.
They still don't have a date on when the R-Specs are coming in.
They switched out all of the interior "plood" with a really nice piano black finish.
Power folding mirrors are a really nice touch especially with a narrow garage.
Didn't get to test the lane avoidance system.
With the bump in HP in the V6 it's almost a certainty the 4.6L engine will go bye-bye. The 3.8 has a ton of power. It's 333HP and 291lb of torque. But I still want the R-Spec with 429hp/376tq.
Great car but for the price, I still think the V8 is the way to go. You really don't sacrifice in fuel economy, 19/29 for the V6 and 16/25 for the 5.0L V8.
They still don't have a date on when the R-Specs are coming in.
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I'm interested to see what the real world MPG numbers look like for the 3.8 V6 vs. the 5.0 V8
Doesn't Hyundai have an 8AT available as well? Is it for the V8 only, or.... ? That V8 would be mighty smooth for cruising, I bet.
Doesn't Hyundai have an 8AT available as well? Is it for the V8 only, or.... ? That V8 would be mighty smooth for cruising, I bet.
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8 speed tranny is in both the V6 and V8 Genesis.
I dropped the V6 into sportshift and confirmed. Gotta love the salesman who swore the 8-speed was only in the V8.
I will admit that sportshifting an 8-speed is a bit of a pain. You need to downshift to at least 5th to get into anything that's noticeable.
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That's awesome.. 8 speed tranny..
On a side note, some of the Hyundai salesmen are really.. dumb. When I was shopping for my MS3, I checked out genesis coupe 3.8 at a local Hyundai dealership. This one salesman didn't know jack crap about the car. I literally spent 20 mins explaining this and that to him, and he was like wow.. how do you know so well about these cars?.......
I think Hyundai needs to have its salesmen join Acurazine and spend couple hours everyday reading.
Anyway, so when is the Spec-R supposed to be released? Did Hyundai give out an estimated month?
On a side note, some of the Hyundai salesmen are really.. dumb. When I was shopping for my MS3, I checked out genesis coupe 3.8 at a local Hyundai dealership. This one salesman didn't know jack crap about the car. I literally spent 20 mins explaining this and that to him, and he was like wow.. how do you know so well about these cars?.......
I think Hyundai needs to have its salesmen join Acurazine and spend couple hours everyday reading.
Anyway, so when is the Spec-R supposed to be released? Did Hyundai give out an estimated month?
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That's awesome.. 8 speed tranny..
On a side note, some of the Hyundai salesmen are really.. dumb. When I was shopping for my MS3, I checked out genesis coupe 3.8 at a local Hyundai dealership. This one salesman didn't know jack crap about the car. I literally spent 20 mins explaining this and that to him, and he was like wow.. how do you know so well about these cars?.......
I think Hyundai needs to have its salesmen join Acurazine and spend couple hours everyday reading.
Anyway, so when is the Spec-R supposed to be released? Did Hyundai give out an estimated month?
On a side note, some of the Hyundai salesmen are really.. dumb. When I was shopping for my MS3, I checked out genesis coupe 3.8 at a local Hyundai dealership. This one salesman didn't know jack crap about the car. I literally spent 20 mins explaining this and that to him, and he was like wow.. how do you know so well about these cars?.......
I think Hyundai needs to have its salesmen join Acurazine and spend couple hours everyday reading.
Anyway, so when is the Spec-R supposed to be released? Did Hyundai give out an estimated month?
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R-Specs are supposed to start trickling to dealerships (probably first to the Westcoast) late June.
The new OEM tires are the Michelin Energy Saver A/S (for 3.8 and 4.6).
Some First Drive reviews of the R-Spec.
Read more: http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...#ixzz1PqCcMMqM
http://www.autoguide.com/manufacture...view-1572.html
http://www.windingroad.com/articles/...enesis-r-spec/
All in all, though, the new R-Spec Genesis is a pretty serious high-performance tool from a company not much associated with heavy-metal sedans, and it's a convincing entry into that realm at a pretty reasonable price.
The new OEM tires are the Michelin Energy Saver A/S (for 3.8 and 4.6).
Some First Drive reviews of the R-Spec.
Until Motor Trend can put a Genesis R-Spec through a comprehensive road test and our famous figure eight, the following impressions will have to serve. The R-Spec is certainly much stiffer in the corners and on road imperfections compared with the non-R, though it's not harsh. Its suspension tuning provides good body control for this big sedan, and could prove to be its ultimate fix.
Hyundai's North American chassis engineers tried, and they made good progress on the 2009 Genesis, though it still had little to offer even the most passive of enthusiasts. There's enough feel and feedback added to the '12 R-Spec to indicate this is a big luxury sedan that won't embarrass or frustrate drivers who occasionally encounter twisty mountain roads.
The best sign that Hyundai's North American engineers have made progress in breaking through home-market dynamic numbness comes from the electro-hydraulic power steering. In the R-Spec, the steering is moderately weighted and precise, with a nice, even feel and good feedback lock-to-lock, whereas the 4.6's is light and numb. Both the 4.6 and the V-6, the latter of which has hydraulically assisted power steering, have a dead spot at center that causes some sloppiness, especially when the nose gets light under acceleration.
Hyundai's North American chassis engineers tried, and they made good progress on the 2009 Genesis, though it still had little to offer even the most passive of enthusiasts. There's enough feel and feedback added to the '12 R-Spec to indicate this is a big luxury sedan that won't embarrass or frustrate drivers who occasionally encounter twisty mountain roads.
The best sign that Hyundai's North American engineers have made progress in breaking through home-market dynamic numbness comes from the electro-hydraulic power steering. In the R-Spec, the steering is moderately weighted and precise, with a nice, even feel and good feedback lock-to-lock, whereas the 4.6's is light and numb. Both the 4.6 and the V-6, the latter of which has hydraulically assisted power steering, have a dead spot at center that causes some sloppiness, especially when the nose gets light under acceleration.
Despite being saddled with over 4,000 lbs of weight, the R-Spec hauls itself down the road with little abandon. Coming out of a traffic circle, we gently applied the throttle to see what would happen, and were granted with a microsecond powerslide before the traction control put a stop to our fun. Beyond the traffic circle, there was little in the way of curves (save for the occasional high speed sweeper) for us to test the improved steering, springs and damping, but we noticed that all three felt fairly firm, especially more so than the last Genesis we drove a couple years ago. Hyundai has added more assist to the R-Spec’s steering, something that we definitely welcome, but that may not be looked upon favorably by other Genesis drivers, who tend to trade in cars like the Lexus ES350 and Honda Accord.
As it stands now, the new Genesis represents a fantastic bargain over the high-level V-8 competition. We happen to think that the exterior revisions, especially the new front fascia and the aggressively cool nineteen-inch wheels, turn the car into something much better to look at. (We doubt the 2012 Genesis will see quite so much “anonymous styling” verbiage written as the last model did.) With a top-flight new powertrain, strong fuel economy numbers, and what might best be described as a “sensible” approach to luxury and technology features, this Genesis is worth checking out. Do not buy a Lexus GS before driving the Genesis R-Spec. Is that clear enough?
Of course the R-Spec will not hold the attention of those with enthusiast driver aspirations for very long, either. We think that’s okay, though we would like to encourage the company’s product planners and engineers—who’ve been consistently knocking the ball out of the park these days—to look hard at a full-on performance version of this car. Still, if you’re an open-minded kind of luxury shopper, the $46K it’ll take to get you into a car as complete as the Genesis R-Spec should make for a compelling argument. And don’t worry about those hot desert days of driving, either; we know the car is cool.
Of course the R-Spec will not hold the attention of those with enthusiast driver aspirations for very long, either. We think that’s okay, though we would like to encourage the company’s product planners and engineers—who’ve been consistently knocking the ball out of the park these days—to look hard at a full-on performance version of this car. Still, if you’re an open-minded kind of luxury shopper, the $46K it’ll take to get you into a car as complete as the Genesis R-Spec should make for a compelling argument. And don’t worry about those hot desert days of driving, either; we know the car is cool.
What is it like to drive?
The first launch tells you there's more grunt from the Tau V8 than before, and acceleration is emphatic. Even more impressive is the passing power brought to bear when you swing out and punch it. Then, when it is being driven more sedately, the eight-speed transmission slips from one gear to the next with quick, smooth actions barely noticeable from the cabin.
The first launch tells you there's more grunt from the Tau V8 than before, and acceleration is emphatic. Even more impressive is the passing power brought to bear when you swing out and punch it. Then, when it is being driven more sedately, the eight-speed transmission slips from one gear to the next with quick, smooth actions barely noticeable from the cabin.
The sport-tuned suspension features Sachs shocks with amplitude-sensing damping, higher-rate springs all around and a hollow rear antiroll bar. While this new complement of upgraded bits clearly pins the chassis down when the driver is hustling along, the higher-rate components do introduce some jittery ride motions we could live without.
All in all, though, the new R-Spec Genesis is a pretty serious high-performance tool from a company not much associated with heavy-metal sedans, and it's a convincing entry into that realm at a pretty reasonable price.
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I think the R-Spec would be a fantastic car. Is Hyundai not taking deposits?
Will you be trying out some other cars in the months before the R-Specs hits lots?
Will you be trying out some other cars in the months before the R-Specs hits lots?
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It's just time for a change. I am certainly not in a hurry. No dealer is taking deposits because they don't even have upcoming inventory for the V8s (R-Spec or not).
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I don't know if there is a war for more gears, but ZF also supplies Hyundai with 9-speed transmissions!
http://www.d55555.info/hyundai-i20tr...eed-automatic/
http://www.d55555.info/hyundai-i20tr...eed-automatic/
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So I got a call Saturday that a 2012 Genesis 3.8 V6 (oh well) was delivered to my local dealer. Took a ride out with my father-in-law (who's also looking for a car and checked it out. I love the new rear with the integrated exhaust tips.
They switched out all of the interior "plood" with a really nice piano black finish.
Power folding mirrors are a really nice touch especially with a narrow garage.
Didn't get to test the lane avoidance system.
With the bump in HP in the V6 it's almost a certainty the 4.6L engine will go bye-bye. The 3.8 has a ton of power. It's 333HP and 291lb of torque. But I still want the R-Spec with 429hp/376tq.
Great car but for the price, I still think the V8 is the way to go. You really don't sacrifice in fuel economy, 19/29 for the V6 and 16/25 for the 5.0L V8.
They still don't have a date on when the R-Specs are coming in.
They switched out all of the interior "plood" with a really nice piano black finish.
Power folding mirrors are a really nice touch especially with a narrow garage.
Didn't get to test the lane avoidance system.
With the bump in HP in the V6 it's almost a certainty the 4.6L engine will go bye-bye. The 3.8 has a ton of power. It's 333HP and 291lb of torque. But I still want the R-Spec with 429hp/376tq.
Great car but for the price, I still think the V8 is the way to go. You really don't sacrifice in fuel economy, 19/29 for the V6 and 16/25 for the 5.0L V8.
They still don't have a date on when the R-Specs are coming in.
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Originally Posted by Motortrend
The best sign that Hyundai's North American engineers have made progress in breaking through home-market dynamic numbness comes from the electro-hydraulic power steering. In the R-Spec, the steering is moderately weighted and precise, with a nice, even feel and good feedback lock-to-lock, whereas the 4.6's is light and numb. Both the 4.6 and the V-6, the latter of which has hydraulically assisted power steering, have a dead spot at center that causes some sloppiness, especially when the nose gets light under acceleration.
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Here is another good read on the genesis if you want. Its about the engine
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...50-r-spec.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...50-r-spec.html
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Here is another good read on the genesis if you want. Its about the engine
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...50-r-spec.html
http://blogs.insideline.com/straight...50-r-spec.html
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Great article, thanks for sharing.
I can't wait for you to get your car, NSXNEXT. I'm sure it's going to be a long coupla months of anticipation for you.
I can't wait for you to get your car, NSXNEXT. I'm sure it's going to be a long coupla months of anticipation for you.
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Thanks for that article.
That car looks stunning from the front imo.
That car looks stunning from the front imo.
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transmission
motor mounts (front, rear, side) poly filled the new ones
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hmmmm
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Absolutely. But when you consider the ridiculous price people are trying to get on a 3 year used, discontinued car, it's just ridiculous.
http://usedcars.kbb.com/cars/cars-fo...trim-GXP/cpo-1
Mid $30s for that car with over 20-30K miles is just
http://usedcars.kbb.com/cars/cars-fo...trim-GXP/cpo-1
Mid $30s for that car with over 20-30K miles is just
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Absolutely. But when you consider the ridiculous price people are trying to get on a 3 year used, discontinued car, it's just ridiculous.
http://usedcars.kbb.com/cars/cars-fo...trim-GXP/cpo-1
Mid $30s for that car with over 20-30K miles is just
http://usedcars.kbb.com/cars/cars-fo...trim-GXP/cpo-1
Mid $30s for that car with over 20-30K miles is just
Stupid people with the "got to have it" fever, drives this insanity. Kinda like the S2K now.
Any word on when the Tau 5.0 will arrive? Man I hope they put that motor in a coupe!