Costco

Interior panel tabs break on a lot of car or become brittle over time and will at least get warped unless you're super careful and take it real slow. Having the right tools helps too. Flathead screwdriver or prybar = In any case, even if they do break, they're cheap and easy to replace. Cheaper than a transmission at least.

Rattles and squeaks as found in the 2G and 3G TL are a pain in the ass to track down and shut up for good.

Also, Hyundais/Kias notoriously have had poor resale value in the past... not sure how it is now though. Still, who cares. Just LOOK at the R-Spec. Plus, the OP is likely going to keep it until the end of time so that don't matter so much

NJ SHAWD

Just because you would, doesn't mean that most people would. Your supposing proves nothing so please don't use it as an argument. You still haven't gone in to detail on your comparison of the Genny sedan to an Avalon or a Lacrosse. Me thinks you are just here to see how pissed you can make people. There is no validity to any of your statements.

neuronbob

Thanks for the link to the video. I hadn't paid attention to the release of the R-Spec in Chicago. Now it's squarely on my viewscreen. If I were in the market and the CTS-V were not in the picture, I'd buy an R-Spec, change the wheels, and be done with it. Hell, the base V6 Genesis sedan with a 30+ crank hp bump seems like an even better deal. I could live with 333 hp....though now, having owned a V8 car, it'd be hard to live without the instant torque.

It's almost like Hyundai reads Acurazine. Hey Pure Adrenaline, are you feeding Hyundai product ideas or something?

fsttyms1

And my acura did the same thing. Stay far far away from acura

My dads Genesis sedan has 55k now on it. Had it for 600 miles the last 2 days. Not a creak, rattle, or any thing loose. The only thing he has had to change on the car is oil and tires (and NSXNEXT read this next part) The tires Hyundai decided to put on the car are probably one of the worst tires out there (not sure if the R spec uses the same). DO NOT drive them in snow, and dont expect more than 20k miles tops out of them. They are one of the largest complaints by hyundai owners. My dad has a set of snow tires and Mich pilot sport a/s tires. Both are quieter and handle better than the stock tires did. Maybe you can negotiate different tires in the purchase?

NSXNEXT

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Funny Kris, I can't find what the stock tires are on the R-Spec. They offer Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 Summer Tires as an option for $1400.

NSXNEXT

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I'm put my third transmission on my 99TL at 150,000 miles. Does Acura suck too?

speedemon90

I dont think you understand how important fun to drive is for the op.

He drove the genesis, liked it, had fun, thats good enough for him.

Sure a 335i may be more fun in the twisties, but unless OP decides to go onto canyon roads or tracks often, he wont need a great handling car that has trade offs of luxurious features which he would want more often

He wants fun to drive on a commute, and you get that from raw power, and the genesis r-spec, i'm sure has that

i was on your side in the beginning dude, but you just went overboard with this fun-to-drive thing,

speedemon90

now back to the thread

OP, do you start making a deal when the car gets to the dealership or can you start haggling right now?

Crazy Bimmer

According to C&D they are Dunlop SP Sport tires (235/50-18).

I think you guys are being a little hard on Saintor. Hes not saying too much that is wrong. Besides the 335i comments.

Most reviews even say the Genesis isnt a sports sedan but more of a cruiser. V6 model gets compared to cars like the Avalon, ES350, and even the 300c. As we know just adding a v8 isnt going to make it any sportier.

Also theres nothing wrong with that. Theres a huge market for it. Not everyone is aggressive behind the wheel.

I do however think Hyundai listens and answered the lack of sportiness with this Rspec. Reviews complained about numb steering but it seems this Rspec has a totally different steering ratio as well. My guess, it will handle as well as the TL does but not better.

Kinda shocked at this comparison to be honest. Maybe giving the 300c a whirl wouldnt be a bad idea either.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...son/index.html


Why did i have so much damn coffee late at night.

gatrhumpy

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Are you serious? That $47K Hyundai has more value than cars three times its price.

So what's it gonna be NSNEXT?

gatrhumpy

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I can't wait for the pics!

JnC

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Have you checked one out in person? Test drive?

NSXNEXT

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Well it needs to show up in Hyundai's system before I can use my contacts to get a deal. Still waiting on that.

NSXNEXT

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I find the 300 to be god awful ugly. It's a rectangle with 4 wheels.

NSXNEXT

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No, but obviously before I write a $40K+ check I'd like to know what I'm buying.

NSXNEXT

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ding ding ding...Fun is subjective. I don't plan to auto cross the Genesis. I want something with the toys to keep my occupied, the power to make a few high speed passes once in a while but in general something that I will enjoy walking up to in the morning and walking towards at the end of the day.

If it weren't for all the age-related issues I'm having with my TL, I would continue driving it. To me it's one of the only cars built 10+ years ago that still has modern styling.

NSXNEXT

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Jesal, did you actually go to sleep last night?

Crazy Bimmer

I took like an hour nap.

I might be cranky today and start to ethug the forums.

V_Langs_3.2TL

Dude F that noise, get the NSX!! I'm sure you can strap rumble seats over the midship!

lol but in all seriousness, the gen will be a good choice, if that's what you want. It has the things you want so do it. I personally wouldn't buy anything without a stick (after having owned a 2G all this time and not enough balls to convert it )

the only thing I would have suggested to Hyundai would have been to create an upmarket brand. seriously, every Japanese company did it to legitimize their luxury offerings, if the koreans were smart they'd see how fickle Americans are (and apparently Koreans as well, Genesis is its own brand there) and they'd eat up a cheaper new luxury brand. We saw it with Acura, Infiniti, Lexus, we know it's proven to work.

Sadly, I've driven the Equuis, and while it is absolutely fantastic, it's going to go the way of the Phaeton, 70k for what?!

and 10 bucks says that if the Genesis was it's own brand here, all the detractors that simply don't like it cuz it's a Hyundai would have totally been egging you on to buy it. We're materialistic people, it's how we roll.

FWIW, I convinced my dad to buy a Phaeton back in the day. He's had S-classes, an A8 and a Quattroporte since, the Quattroporte is in the garage right now, but guess what's next to it? Yep, The Phaeton. Says he'll never get rid of it it's that good

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The NSX is still a possibilty but not without a sedan first.

The brand doesn't bother me. My prediction is <5 years from now, Hyundai will be one of the benchmarked companies in terms of quality, design innovation, etc. Look at their rise. Quality surveys have them in top quadrants.

Scrib

It's the man's money, the man's choice.


If it were my money, my choice, it wouldn't be the Rspec. Hyundai has come a long way, but not $47K for a car of theirs.


What would I get? I have no idea.

JS + XES

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I would go get a 1M.

iforyou

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I don't think there's a lot of people here who actually track their cars...it's just that he mentioned performance..and I just think lap time is the best objective measure of a car's performance...it gives you a good idea about a car's acceleration, braking, and handling. It's certainly better than me saying, "oh yea it handles really well and it feels really fast..and when I step on the brakes hard the car stops really quickly..."

speedemon90

really? I think it looks nice, i wouldnt get one though. But have you seen the commercial with dr dre and the beats with the 300?

Looks awesome!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K13DjOVGkLk&feature=pyv

JS + XES

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Love the commercial.

Dislike the car.

Sly Raskal

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I actually kinda like the design shift they took with it.

chill_dog

I like the 300, old and new . Not sure I'd get one over the Genesis, though.

JS + XES

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I mean it certainly looks better in front.. but the rear end of the new one is just

fsttyms1

I have drive all the cars you mentioned and NONE other than maybe the new 300c srt8 drive or handle like the Genesis. The Avalon can only be compared in size, other than that its more like the LS400 for ride. The e350, nope. Smaller but no where near as agile feeling.

fsttyms1

far better tire than the stock dunlop Even if you dont go R spec, make sure you get them to put different tires on the car!

Sarlacc

Ah..but did you drive the all new 2011 300/Charger/Challenger?

They completely re-did the entire suspension and steering ratio in all of those models.

I took a base model 2011 v6 300 through an autocross course and came away amazed at how well it handled and how little roll there was.

Where as the last gen was a bit sloppy. Hell, even the stock suspension on my 2010 Challenger was a bit floaty and soft before I changed it. The new 2011 are MUCH tighter and firmer. Much more confidence and the tighter steering ratio makes me jealous.

Crazy Bimmer

Im just going with what the auto journalist have said. I have not driven it.

What would you think the genesis is comparable to from your experience behind the wheel?

Also I know i brought up the deprecation aspect of the car and someone mentioned who cares if they plan to own it for 10+ years. Well, what if the car gets totaled and insurance needs to pay out on its market value. You most likely going to get hosed. Just something to keep in mind.

JS + XES

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It was me. Agreed on your point.

NSXNEXT

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Gap insurance.

Crazy Bimmer

Ah thats right. Im just being a pain only because I do know you WILL be keeping this car for awhile. Wanna make sure all bases are covered.

Street Spirit

Is that something you actively think about when purchasing a car you plan on keeping and running into the ground?

I can see that being something to consider when you trade cars often or put cars up for sale every few years, but not so important otherwise. Can't go around choosing your car under the assumption that you will total in soon after purchase, unless that a common thread in your life (not implying you).

Crazy Bimmer

I said it was something to keep in mind. Not a deciding factor. Sheesh, you sound so serious all the time.

YEH

Apparently, for the 2012s, Hyundai got rid of those crappy Dunlops and went with a Michelin equivalent (not as good as the Pilot Sport PS2s, but an improvement, nonetheless).

It appears that the 1st reviews of the R-Spec should be hitting the web in the next few days.

And according to Autoguide, it appears that the 4.6 may disappear from the US (due to cost for certification).

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...an-lineup.html

I'm thinking a detuned version of the 5.0 is more likely as a replacement.

Also, I wouldn't worry too much about depreciation on the Genesis sedan.

While not quite as good as say for Lexus, it holds up well against the Infiniti M.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/lo...ai-genesis-4.6

YEH

I've never seen a review where auto journalists have compared the Genesis to the Avalon.

They have, however, compared it to the Lexus GS or Mercedes E Class.

Not as sporty as the 5 Series or Infiniti M, but not anywhere close to the Avalon.

Really no point in Hyundai spending around a billion and a half to launch a separate brand and dealer network (costs for launching a new brand has gone up quite a bit since the 1980s), esp. since Hyundai doesn't have a volume seller model (Hyundai doesn't have the luxury of repacking a domestic model as an entry-level model).

That money is better spent on Hyundai expanding its sales in the BRIC markets, not to mention Hyundai developing new luxury models.

A smaller RWD/AWD sedan is in the works, but I wouldn't be surprised if 1 or 2 luxury CUVs are in the planning stages as well.

Hyundai would be better served if they spent the $$ on product development.

A new brand can come along later when they have a fuller lineup.

Yes, the GenCoupe hasn't made Jalopnik's 10Best list 2 years running or Motor Trend's Top 9 Tested list for 2010.

In fact a couple of reviewers liked the GenCoupe's steering better than BMW's (tho, I think they go a bit far on that one, except when talking about the 5 or 7 Series).

Crazy Bimmer

Now you have.

http://motortrend.automotive.com/141...3-8/index.html

Im a magazine racer so anything i say does have a link associated to it.

Its pretty cool that the Genesis can be compared to cars like the Avalon but then on another review be compared to a Lexus GS.