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civicdrivr (02-22-2012)
#723
I drive a Subata.
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This car has potential and I like that.
Don't have to diss other cars.![:O](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/embarrassment.gif)
Aren't we all excited to see and drive this car?
I don't give a shit about something's faster than something. I'm just so happy to see more of these affordable and mod friendly cars on the market.
Don't have to diss other cars.
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Aren't we all excited to see and drive this car?
I don't give a shit about something's faster than something. I'm just so happy to see more of these affordable and mod friendly cars on the market.
Last edited by JS + XES; 02-22-2012 at 03:15 PM.
#724
Whats up with RDX owners?
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#725
I drive a Subata.
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Well, +1000hp is real power in my mind. I win in my mind.
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civicdrivr (02-22-2012)
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I drive a Subata.
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If I get a FRS or BRZ, I'm going to install a set of very high end coilover and call it a day. The car just doesn't appeal to me as a "real power" machine. ![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
And I'm not a person who would really want to deal with boosting a N/A factory engine. It's just inconvenient for my taste.
For my MS3, going BT is really easy and pretty cheap. It'll get me up to anywhere from 350-400 easy with couple cheap supporting mods.
But I don't think I'll put up with BT. I would rather save bucks and upgrade it up to M3. I like being reasonable. lol I won't be happy in a 500hp civic.
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And I'm not a person who would really want to deal with boosting a N/A factory engine. It's just inconvenient for my taste.
For my MS3, going BT is really easy and pretty cheap. It'll get me up to anywhere from 350-400 easy with couple cheap supporting mods.
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Last edited by JS + XES; 02-22-2012 at 03:25 PM.
#727
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Exactly! This car isnt about straight line performance. I wish people would stop comparing it to the Genesis and Mustang. Its more in line with the Miata/MX5.
#728
#729
Here is a quote from car and driver.
"Masuda goes even further to assert that the engineering of the AS1 dictated its styling, rather than vice versa as with most sports cars. Toyota’s designers shaped the body but only after the hard points of the chassis, powertrain, and passenger compartment were fixed by Subaru
“We delivered the best chassis we could,” he says, “and then the styling of the car was basically [Toyota’s] role.” "
"Masuda goes even further to assert that the engineering of the AS1 dictated its styling, rather than vice versa as with most sports cars. Toyota’s designers shaped the body but only after the hard points of the chassis, powertrain, and passenger compartment were fixed by Subaru
“We delivered the best chassis we could,” he says, “and then the styling of the car was basically [Toyota’s] role.” "
#730
Fahrvergnügen'd
I don't drive an Acura. I think they're boring cars. Like a Viking toaster that costs $250.
The reason we're comparing it to a Genesis and a Mustang is because Toyota thinks they can ask $25k for this car. It's a relevant question to ask.
If you're okay with the car as it sits, awesome. Go buy one. I'm tired of defending my point of view.
#731
I drive a Subata.
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First of all, I hate brian6speed's attitude.
And charliemike.. I understand your point.. but Mazda sells plenty of its MX-5 with 167hp. And the pricing range is from $23k to $30k. Do you not think MX-5 is a great sport car? Horsepower numbers sometimes can be deceiving. Cars don't need high horsepower number to be fun on the road.
And charliemike.. I understand your point.. but Mazda sells plenty of its MX-5 with 167hp. And the pricing range is from $23k to $30k. Do you not think MX-5 is a great sport car? Horsepower numbers sometimes can be deceiving. Cars don't need high horsepower number to be fun on the road.
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civicdrivr (02-22-2012)
#732
Suzuka Master
First of all, I hate brian6speed's attitude.
And charliemike.. I understand your point.. but Mazda sells plenty of its MX-5 with 167hp. And the pricing range is from $23k to $30k. Do you not think MX-5 is a great sport car? Horsepower numbers sometimes can be deceiving. Cars don't need high horsepower number to be fun on the road.![Shrug](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif)
And charliemike.. I understand your point.. but Mazda sells plenty of its MX-5 with 167hp. And the pricing range is from $23k to $30k. Do you not think MX-5 is a great sport car? Horsepower numbers sometimes can be deceiving. Cars don't need high horsepower number to be fun on the road.
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Where they hell can you release 1000000hp on the road without being retarded or getting arrested. Its all about the twistys in my mind. And on ramps for most of our commutes I guess, which always wears out your left tires so much quicker!!
I want this car because it would be fun to drive on the road, its a car that you can take autocrossing stock (and be good) you can take it to the track(here is where it might seem under powered) And have fun on the way home.
My problem with the car for putting down the money, might be the space. But I'm not in the market for at least a couple more years so we'll see what happens then.
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civicdrivr (02-23-2012)
#733
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Its so much more fun driving a slow car fast.....
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phee (04-01-2012)
#734
The sizzle in the Steak
Boy did this thread go off the rails. ![Why Me](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/whyme.gif)
Lots of stupid in here.
![Why Me](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/whyme.gif)
Lots of stupid in here.
#735
What? Was that last sentence English?
I don't drive an Acura. I think they're boring cars. Like a Viking toaster that costs $250.
The reason we're comparing it to a Genesis and a Mustang is because Toyota thinks they can ask $25k for this car. It's a relevant question to ask.
If you're okay with the car as it sits, awesome. Go buy one. I'm tired of defending my point of view.
I don't drive an Acura. I think they're boring cars. Like a Viking toaster that costs $250.
The reason we're comparing it to a Genesis and a Mustang is because Toyota thinks they can ask $25k for this car. It's a relevant question to ask.
If you're okay with the car as it sits, awesome. Go buy one. I'm tired of defending my point of view.
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Suzuka Master
Here's a nice vid
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#741
I drive a Subata.
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Hell if I had the money I would buy one honestly, 200 Hp in a lightweight car screams fun to me. Won't have to worry about some stupid electronic nannies keeping me from pushing the car hard to know my limits, and its direct competition for the miata, I dig it.
#743
Some dude
I don't even know why people would compare the Genesis and Mustang to this when the MX-5 is by far the closest in size, hp, and weight. And personally, speed in the corners > speed in straight lines
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civicdrivr (02-29-2012)
#744
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Yea, but RAWR! 300hp in a 3800lb car is where its at.
#745
Race Director
http://content.usatoday.com/communit...ru-brz-price/1
When Scion unveiled the sexy, sweet little sports car that will become the centerpiece of the brand, it said it would cost less than $30,000.
But we doubt anyone expected the starting price for the 2013 Scion FR-S to be this low: $24,200, plus $730 delivery fees. That's with the six-speed manual transmission, which is how we expect a lot of the brand's young customers will want it. With the six-speed automatic, the price is still only $25,300.
We don't normally gush --at least to this degree -- but Scion, Toyota's bargain brand for twentysomethings needs a turnaround vehicle. And this one could be it. That price wil put in reach of a lot of buyers who otherwise might turn to a Hyundai Veloster, Honda CR-Z, Kia Soul or other youth-oriented vehicle. The Scion goes on sale within weeks.
"Scion's goal was to create an affordable sports car that true driving enthusiasts could enjoy," said Jack Hollis, a Toyota vice president in charge of Scion, in a statement. "We accomplished that goal with the FR-S starting under $25,000." Hollis calls it "a total home run."
FR-S stands for front-engine, rear-wheel drive. The S is for Sport.
To further attract younger customers, the FR-S will come with an eight-speaker AM/FM/CD/USB 300-watt maximum output Pioneer audio system. It will have HD Radio and Bluetooth for the gadget-inclined.
But we doubt anyone expected the starting price for the 2013 Scion FR-S to be this low: $24,200, plus $730 delivery fees. That's with the six-speed manual transmission, which is how we expect a lot of the brand's young customers will want it. With the six-speed automatic, the price is still only $25,300.
We don't normally gush --at least to this degree -- but Scion, Toyota's bargain brand for twentysomethings needs a turnaround vehicle. And this one could be it. That price wil put in reach of a lot of buyers who otherwise might turn to a Hyundai Veloster, Honda CR-Z, Kia Soul or other youth-oriented vehicle. The Scion goes on sale within weeks.
"Scion's goal was to create an affordable sports car that true driving enthusiasts could enjoy," said Jack Hollis, a Toyota vice president in charge of Scion, in a statement. "We accomplished that goal with the FR-S starting under $25,000." Hollis calls it "a total home run."
FR-S stands for front-engine, rear-wheel drive. The S is for Sport.
To further attract younger customers, the FR-S will come with an eight-speaker AM/FM/CD/USB 300-watt maximum output Pioneer audio system. It will have HD Radio and Bluetooth for the gadget-inclined.
#747
The sizzle in the Steak
Scion has a winner!
#748
The sizzle in the Steak
Wonder if Scion will offer Navigation?
#750
Senior Moderator
#751
Scion's Press Release
Scion Announces Pricing for Its 2013 FR-S Sports Car
• Rear-Wheel Drive Sports Car starts at $24,200
• Low center of gravity and lightweight design achieves a "Pure Balance"
• World's first boxer engine to utilize Toyota's D-4S direct and port injection system
• FR-S comes standard with complimentary Scion Service Boost
TORRANCE, Calif., March 22, 2012 – Scion today announced pricing for its 2013 FR-S compact rear-wheel drive sports car. The FR-S starts with a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $24,200 when equipped with a six-speed manual transmission, and $25,300 when equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission that features paddle shifters and rev-match technology. The high-performance coupe is the fifth model to join the Scion family and will go on sale this spring.
"Scion's goal was to create an affordable sports car that true driving enthusiasts could enjoy," said Jack Hollis, Scion vice president. "We accomplished that goal with the FR-S starting under $25,000...a total home run! Add in Scion's complimentary Scion Service Boost, our no-haggle no-hassle Pure Price, and Scion's network of about 1,000 dealers, and the FR-S is a grand slam."
Pure Balance
The FR-S, which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport; is Scion's definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with exceptionally balanced performance and handling, compelling style, flexible utility and surprising fuel efficiency.
The FR-S is a true "scion," born into a lengthy history of Toyota performance cars and motorsports. During planning and development, it was most inspired by the AE86 generation of the Corolla, better known as the Hachi-Roku, meaning "8-6" in Japanese. The AE86 was a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive coupe that was lightweight and well balanced, making it a solid choice for driving enthusiasts.
Inspired by the AE86, the FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving "Pure Balance." The balance begins with the strategic use of the world's only flat boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine's compact size and flat shape allow it to be mounted mid-ship and extremely low, giving the car a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio of 53:47 and a low center of gravity comparable to some exotic supercars.
The FR-S's 2.0-liter, naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine is the result of a joint development between Toyota and Subaru. The partnership begins by combining Subaru's newly developed, horizontally opposed engine and Toyota's cutting edge D-4S injection system that incorporates both direct and port injection. The D-4S system, partnered with a high 12.5:1 compression ratio, results in an impressive 200 horsepower and 151 pound-feet of torque.
The flat-four mates with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick, precise shifts with a short-throw; while the automatic features aggressive up shifts and sporty rev-matched down shifts that are initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is transferred to the pavement via a standard Torsen® limited-slip differential.
The idea of "Pure Balance" is further realized by the FR-S's lightweight design and compact size. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners, with dynamic maneuverability and confident handling. The coupe's weight is kept to a minimum by utilizing a lightweight aluminum hood, a solid roof, and by featuring a trunk design instead of a hatchback.
The FR-S's low weight is matched with a dynamically tuned suspension setup consisting of MacPherson struts up front and a double wishbone system in the rear. Lightweight 17-inch alloy wheels and ventilated disc brakes are standard on all four corners.
Powerful Exterior Design
The fierce exterior of the FR-S is a solid reflection of its inner power. The profile, inspired by the Toyota 2000GT, reveals a hood and roof-line that is remarkably sleek and low, giving it an aerodynamic shape that channels air cleanly over to the top. The low stance continues to exaggerate the coupe's menacing face, which is made up of sharp lines, a wide mouth and angular headlights that house the projector-beam halogen lamps. The aggressive front fenders protrude upward and boast the iconic '86' piston emblem, which highlights the car's AE86 heritage as well as its unique new boxer engine. The rear fascia sits low and wide, with aerodynamic lower treatments that surround the sporty dual exhaust system. LEDs illuminate the edgy taillights, while center-mounted backup lights finish the muscular design.
The FR-S will be available in seven colors including Raven, Asphalt, Hot Lava, Argento, Ultramarine, Firestorm and Whiteout.
Performance-Focused Interior
The FR-S's interior includes a 2+2 seating configuration that is designed with both form and function in mind. The front seats feature deep bolsters and are mounted extremely low and are comfortable yet assertive, while the rear seat folds down flat, creating flexible space. The car will come standard with FR-S badged floor mats. The large center-mounted tachometer is the focus of the three-gauge cluster and features a programmable shift-indicator, informing the driver of the engine's vitals. Speed is monitored by both digital and analog gauges. The FR-S features a sporty leather-trimmed steering wheel that has both tilt and telescopic adjustment.
The FR-S will come standard with an eight-speaker AM/FM/CD/USB 300-watt maximum output Pioneer™ audio system. Standard features also include HD Radio™ technology and Bluetooth® connectivity that allows both hands-free phone connection as well as streaming audio capability.
Sports Car Performance with Excellent Safety Features
FR-S comes standard with six airbags, including dual-stage advanced driver- and front-passenger airbags, front-seat-mounted airbags and side-curtain airbags.
Like all Scions, FR-S features the Star Safety System that includes Traction Control (TRAC), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Enhanced Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Brake Assist (BA), an Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), and Smart Stop Technology (SST).
The delivery, processing and handling (DPH) fee for all Scion models is $730 and is not included in the MSRP. DPH fee for vehicles distributed by Southeast Toyota (SET) and Gulf States Toyota (GST) may vary.
Like all Scion models, the FR-S is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile comprehensive warranty and a 5-year/60,000-mile powertrain warranty. The FR-S will come standard with Scion Service Boost, a complimentary plan covering normal factory-scheduled maintenance for two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first, and two years of 24-hour roadside assistance.
• Rear-Wheel Drive Sports Car starts at $24,200
• Low center of gravity and lightweight design achieves a "Pure Balance"
• World's first boxer engine to utilize Toyota's D-4S direct and port injection system
• FR-S comes standard with complimentary Scion Service Boost
TORRANCE, Calif., March 22, 2012 – Scion today announced pricing for its 2013 FR-S compact rear-wheel drive sports car. The FR-S starts with a manufacturer's suggested retail price (MSRP) of $24,200 when equipped with a six-speed manual transmission, and $25,300 when equipped with a six-speed automatic transmission that features paddle shifters and rev-match technology. The high-performance coupe is the fifth model to join the Scion family and will go on sale this spring.
"Scion's goal was to create an affordable sports car that true driving enthusiasts could enjoy," said Jack Hollis, Scion vice president. "We accomplished that goal with the FR-S starting under $25,000...a total home run! Add in Scion's complimentary Scion Service Boost, our no-haggle no-hassle Pure Price, and Scion's network of about 1,000 dealers, and the FR-S is a grand slam."
Pure Balance
The FR-S, which stands for Front-engine, Rear-wheel drive, Sport; is Scion's definition of an authentic rear-wheel-drive sports car with exceptionally balanced performance and handling, compelling style, flexible utility and surprising fuel efficiency.
The FR-S is a true "scion," born into a lengthy history of Toyota performance cars and motorsports. During planning and development, it was most inspired by the AE86 generation of the Corolla, better known as the Hachi-Roku, meaning "8-6" in Japanese. The AE86 was a front-engine, rear-wheel-drive coupe that was lightweight and well balanced, making it a solid choice for driving enthusiasts.
Inspired by the AE86, the FR-S is designed around the core goal of achieving "Pure Balance." The balance begins with the strategic use of the world's only flat boxer engine in a front-engine, rear-wheel drive configuration. The engine's compact size and flat shape allow it to be mounted mid-ship and extremely low, giving the car a dynamically favorable front-to-rear weight ratio of 53:47 and a low center of gravity comparable to some exotic supercars.
The FR-S's 2.0-liter, naturally aspirated four-cylinder engine is the result of a joint development between Toyota and Subaru. The partnership begins by combining Subaru's newly developed, horizontally opposed engine and Toyota's cutting edge D-4S injection system that incorporates both direct and port injection. The D-4S system, partnered with a high 12.5:1 compression ratio, results in an impressive 200 horsepower and 151 pound-feet of torque.
The flat-four mates with either a six-speed manual or a six-speed automatic transmission. The manual offers quick, precise shifts with a short-throw; while the automatic features aggressive up shifts and sporty rev-matched down shifts that are initiated by steering-wheel-mounted paddle shifters. Power is transferred to the pavement via a standard Torsen® limited-slip differential.
The idea of "Pure Balance" is further realized by the FR-S's lightweight design and compact size. The combination allows the car to be quick and nimble into and out of corners, with dynamic maneuverability and confident handling. The coupe's weight is kept to a minimum by utilizing a lightweight aluminum hood, a solid roof, and by featuring a trunk design instead of a hatchback.
The FR-S's low weight is matched with a dynamically tuned suspension setup consisting of MacPherson struts up front and a double wishbone system in the rear. Lightweight 17-inch alloy wheels and ventilated disc brakes are standard on all four corners.
Powerful Exterior Design
The fierce exterior of the FR-S is a solid reflection of its inner power. The profile, inspired by the Toyota 2000GT, reveals a hood and roof-line that is remarkably sleek and low, giving it an aerodynamic shape that channels air cleanly over to the top. The low stance continues to exaggerate the coupe's menacing face, which is made up of sharp lines, a wide mouth and angular headlights that house the projector-beam halogen lamps. The aggressive front fenders protrude upward and boast the iconic '86' piston emblem, which highlights the car's AE86 heritage as well as its unique new boxer engine. The rear fascia sits low and wide, with aerodynamic lower treatments that surround the sporty dual exhaust system. LEDs illuminate the edgy taillights, while center-mounted backup lights finish the muscular design.
The FR-S will be available in seven colors including Raven, Asphalt, Hot Lava, Argento, Ultramarine, Firestorm and Whiteout.
Performance-Focused Interior
The FR-S's interior includes a 2+2 seating configuration that is designed with both form and function in mind. The front seats feature deep bolsters and are mounted extremely low and are comfortable yet assertive, while the rear seat folds down flat, creating flexible space. The car will come standard with FR-S badged floor mats. The large center-mounted tachometer is the focus of the three-gauge cluster and features a programmable shift-indicator, informing the driver of the engine's vitals. Speed is monitored by both digital and analog gauges. The FR-S features a sporty leather-trimmed steering wheel that has both tilt and telescopic adjustment.
The FR-S will come standard with an eight-speaker AM/FM/CD/USB 300-watt maximum output Pioneer™ audio system. Standard features also include HD Radio™ technology and Bluetooth® connectivity that allows both hands-free phone connection as well as streaming audio capability.
Sports Car Performance with Excellent Safety Features
FR-S comes standard with six airbags, including dual-stage advanced driver- and front-passenger airbags, front-seat-mounted airbags and side-curtain airbags.
Like all Scions, FR-S features the Star Safety System that includes Traction Control (TRAC), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD), Enhanced Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Brake Assist (BA), an Anti-lock Braking System (ABS), and Smart Stop Technology (SST).
The delivery, processing and handling (DPH) fee for all Scion models is $730 and is not included in the MSRP. DPH fee for vehicles distributed by Southeast Toyota (SET) and Gulf States Toyota (GST) may vary.
Like all Scion models, the FR-S is covered by a 3-year/36,000-mile comprehensive warranty and a 5-year/60,000-mile powertrain warranty. The FR-S will come standard with Scion Service Boost, a complimentary plan covering normal factory-scheduled maintenance for two years or 25,000 miles, whichever comes first, and two years of 24-hour roadside assistance.
#752
The sizzle in the Steak
Smart Stop Technology (SST).
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#753
Whats up with RDX owners?
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Im going to have to sleep on this one.....
#754
Moderator
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Do it!
#755
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I soooooooo badly want to. Wanna buy my CL?
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#756
Suzuka Master
#757
Whats up with RDX owners?
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I know...... ![Sad](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/sad.gif)
I have to make my mind up by Monday. Its $25k not including TTL.
Ill probably put a deposit down. If the car comes in and I dont like it, its fully refundable.
I hate big decisions......
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I have to make my mind up by Monday. Its $25k not including TTL.
Ill probably put a deposit down. If the car comes in and I dont like it, its fully refundable.
I hate big decisions......
#758
Moderator
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I'll give you $200 for the CL. I'll even come up there and get it from you!
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#759
Whats up with RDX owners?
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$175 and we have a deal!
I suck at negotiations.
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#760
Moderator
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$180 is my final offer
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