AZuser

Too bad you'll probably see a nice markup on the BRZ though, whereas with the FR-S, it's price is fixed.

civicdrivr

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Much to my surprise, the dealers here are selling the BRZ at MSRP (though that has yet to be announced - expected by the end of the week).

I was fully expecting the BRZ to sell at a premium at all dealers. But its only a (reported) handful around the country. FT86club.com has a small list of the dealers to stay away from.

Koby Subaru, Mobile, Alabama
Colonial Subaru, Feasterville, Pennsylvania
Subaru of Las Vegas, Nevada
Fitzgerald Auto Mall, Gaithersburg Maryland
Puente Hills Subaru, California
Hiley Subaru, Fort Worth Texas
Subaru of Cherry Hill, Cherry Hill New Jersey

CarbonGray Earl

Puente Hills Subaru....great my closest Subaru dealership. Makes sense though, there is quite a rice crowd in my area.

CarbonGray Earl

Toyota also includes 2 year/25000 mile maintenance. I wonder if Subaru has this as well.

civicdrivr

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I think the mods need to start an FRS/BRZ sub forum. The people on the "real" forums are either childish or idiots.

And sometimes both.

Brandon24pdx

Didn't think I'd like the pearl white but damn that's pretty fly. Light colors look good on this car.

StreetKA

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For me either white or blue. I think i like blue more. Cant wait to go to the new york auto show friday or saturday and check out the car...

pttl

It's funny how other car forums are just filled with idiots. They are almost, always, without exception, fanboys.

civicdrivr

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Surprisingly its not even that.

Ive been a member on one of the more popular 86 forums and these are the things that most complain about:

-No trunk lid liner?
-Why no push button start on the FRS?
-2700lbs?? Too heavy!
-$25k?? Too expensive!

And I think the award for the most mind blowing, idiotic, rip-your-hair-out-its-so-amazingly-retarded goes to, and I quote:

"My main concern is the carcinogenic used motor oil getting on me. Is it worth being exposed to something like this to save a little money? And regarding mechanics messing up things: I think I'd rather have a busted up $25,000 FR-S/BRZ than have to deal with surgery/radiation/chemotherapy."

Yes, he seriously said doing oil changes will give him cancer.

speedemon90

smart, no point of changing up the dynamics without reaching its potential first. And I say tires should be next haha, seems like you can get much better tires once they first wear out.

StreetKA

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Light rims and sticky tires would be first mod as well as moderate drop. Not sure if coilovers or springs and adjustable struts

speedemon90

lol you should stay away...... make a frs/brz owners club in the car talk haha!

civicdrivr

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I think Im going to. And Ill probably just lurk on the 86 forums like I have been for the past few months.

The stock wheels are 20.1lbs. There isnt much on the market in a 5x100 bolt pattern that appeals to me and is in the 15-16lb range.

The TCIIIs I want dont list a weight, and theyre only available as 18s. I think Id rather go with 17x9s all around with 245s.

Forgot to mention - found a dealer that still has preorders available for the BRZ. Theyre ~70 miles from me. The pricing is expected to be announced tomorrow, so Ill decide then what trim I want. Though I am leaning towards the Limited.

I still havent cancelled the FRS order either Im working in DC tonight and tomorrow, there is a dealer up there that has a BRZ so Im going to stop by and take a look at it

SHYUperman

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They have them at Fitzgerald Auto Mal?

If you need someone to help pick it up and keep it in a safe place... you know who to call

civicdrivr

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Its actually at Stohlmans Subaru in Tysons Corner (not quite DC, I know). The one they have is just there is a pre-prod model. Cant drive it, but you can sit in it. And its the Premium model, not the Limited. Itll be there the rest of the week. I plan on stopping by tomorrow in between jobs.

Ill be placing my pre-order at a different dealer though.

AZuser

5x100 pcd? Would have thought they'd go for the more common 5x114.3. Guess Subaru decided that and not Toyota.

Custom made Volks or Work wheels

civicdrivr

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Yea, IIRC the WRXs use 5x100, only the STI uses 5x114. It uses a different wheel bearing as well.

Right now I have three possible options:
-Hub swap
-Custom wheels ($$$$$)
-Just wait for companies to release more in 5x100

Id prefer to swap hubs since used 5x114 wheels are easier to find and much cheaper.

StreetKA

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Till 04 all imprezas used 5x100 pattern. 05 + is 5x114.3
I winder if hug from newer wrx would fit.

speedemon90

I read somewhere if you want much wider wheels, you will need to have a staggered set up because at least this was for the BRZ that there is more room in the rear than the front and there isn't that much more room in the front. I forgot which review this was. I believe it was autoblog.

civicdrivr

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The brand new Imprezas and WRXs use 5x100. Just checked.

The STI uses 5x114.


RE: Front wheel width - There may not be tons of room inboard, but (based on pics) it looks like there is a good 10-15mm to play with between the stock wheel and the fender lip. The FRS and BRZ are the same.

StreetKA

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http://vimeo.com/39460579

Moose Muscles

I def like the subie interior better, but I think I like the scion colors more. man, tough decision is tough.

civicdrivr

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Most of the colors are identical, just with different names.

JS + XES

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If $ isn't an issue, you should definitely get the BRZ.

KillerG

I am excited for the new wonder twins, but this is what I wanted all along:


http://smh.drive.com.au/motor-news/n...407-1whni.html

Other companies are starting to take notice. I hope this isnt just talk, but I think the firesales of these two will definitely prove to the other manufacturers that the market is there and dying to be tapped, and I hope this motivates them to bring us more affordable, well sorted cars!

TSXy Luster

Toyota GT86 Rally car is already built LOL.

this is insane.

Killer, I think it is time for a 240SX revival.

speedemon90

dont you love competition

KillerG

New Japanese Sports Car Rennaissance? K thanks.

Lets imagine that Nissan builds a 250z in response to the BRZ-FT86... Honda sees the heavy sales and builds a new Prelude in response... Toyota not be taken lightly responds with the hotly anticipated Supra Revival...Honda follows up with S3000 coupe and convertible!

World explodes in happiness.

Edit: you right, JS

JS + XES

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Honda needs to bulid a S2012.

TSXy Luster

and in that future, we'll all be driving those as our weekend cars or whenever we get time away from the family minivan.

914TL

Okay guys...

Yesterday, I sat in the Subaru BRZ at the New York International Auto Show. My initial impression was... Wow. This is a tight vehicle. The front mounted, horizontally opposed boxer engine has a center of gravity below my knees (and I'm under 6 feet). The seat hugged me and the steering wheel felt right. The 6 speed MT has a relatively short throw, and the clutch feels properly weighted and balanced.

The interior design is rnothing special. Standard deviated red stitching looked cool, but a little gaudy on a WR Blue car. The standard touchscreen interactive navitainment system features standard bluetooth audio streaming, iPod , USB, and Auxilliary inputs, and decent sounding speakers.

The rear seats are totally useless. I could, MAYBE, fit a small child or a person with no legs in the back. This is my only observed downside to this vehicle.

Overall, I am so impressed with this vehicle that I have decided to make it my next, as opposed to my previous plans to purchase a 2012 STI. Honestly, check out this vehicle. You won't be disappointed.

914TL

F23A4

At my best friend's insistence (given that he'd pondered it as a possible replacement for his RX8), I sat in the Scion version and noted that it feels remarkably similar to the MR-S Spyder.

Honestly, maybe it's my age showing but I really don't see much appeal. Although I haven't experienced any drive time, I can say that this thing peaks my interest far less than say a Genesis coupe.

But who knows; if these twins do well, maybe Honda will bring back the Prelude.......maybe even going longitudinal with the Civic RR's K20A (read: 240hp, 8,000rpm and RWD).

StreetKA

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i was at the NY auto show today and i sat in both and i like the BRZ interior much more than scion... car is very nice but since i weight 240lbs seats are tight but not that bad... i could live with other than that i couldnt complain about it... the seat is low i like it

Sarlacc

Its not your age. I know many people similar age and older drooling for this car...but they are all seriously into the SCCA circuit. Both autoX and road course.

Its just purpose of use vs need.

Sarlacc

News stories are already popping up that a lot of subie dealers are tacking on $5k mark ups...which I called.

Scion will win the sales numbers if that continues. No mark ups allowed. The subie crowd is gonna be pisssssed.

F23A4

....so the out the door price will exceed $30k for the BRZ...hmmm!!

civicdrivr

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Sat in both yesterday. BRZ ftw. Unless you just want to get the chassis for competition, then get the "stripped down" FRS.

The BRZ felt great though. The dealers near me are all selling at MSRP. One had three preorders available, only one spoken for. I have an OTD number in mind, if they dont meet it Ill walk. I dont need the car right now, I have no problem waiting.

But the prospect of Honda putting out a Prelude successor is very intriguing. Id love to see that come to fruition, especially if it were *gasp* RWD.

JS + XES

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I should call around Subie dealerships. I want to check it out in person too!

myron

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where did you read this about prelude?

civicdrivr

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Its pure conjecture from those posting above me.

A pipe dream, if you will.