JS + XES

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who needs turbo?

WE DO.

civicdrivr

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Most Subies are around 60/40 front/rear weight distribution. This car is nearly 50/50 (IIRC its a bit rear biased). No need for AWD in a car like that, it'll just screw up handling, and for what? A slightly quicker 0-60 time? Also, AWD will add around 300lbs to the nose of the car. Do not want.

But yea, I did think that was a cheap shot at Subie. I lol'd though when I read it.

coco

BRZ price announced:

- on sale in May 2012
- Starting price around $24k for Premium and about $27k for Limited
- Expected sales of 3-4k/yr
- BRZ differs from Toyota/Scion models in its spring rates

All details: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2579

coco

BRZ price announced:


- Starting price around $24k for Premium and about $27k for Limited
- Expected sales of 3-4k/yr
- BRZ differs from Toyota/Scion models in its spring rates

All details: http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2579

AZuser

Hard to find each with similar angles.

Subtle difference between them. Most noticeable differences are in the front with headlights, bumper, lower grille, and fogs.

Aman

Can't wait to see this at Detroit in January...

AZuser pretty much nailed down all the exterior differences. The little fender strakes are differently styled, and the Toyota's rocker panel looks a bit more subtle than the Subaru's. Could just be a lighting trick though.

I'd take the Subaru's interior over the Toyota's any day based on those pics. It's funny what subtlety can do to sway your opinion.

phee

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the toyota looks better

Costco

This is a glimpse of the potential these twins have. Get rid of those cheesy canards and I'd be all over it.

TommySalami

Looks like it's shaping up to be a decent car. I'm glad they're keeping the weight down unlike pretty much every other car out there today.

charliemike

That looks a bajillion times better. And if it had 300hp then I think it would finally be what the vision was ... Off the shelf, it's poop.

phile

I'm a sucker for LEDs in headlights, but I like the Subaru's front better than the Toyota's.

civicdrivr

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I like the Subie more, but I cant really put my finger on why.

Maybe its the color?

CLtotheTL32

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Same

JS + XES

iTrader: (1)

That looks cool, but this is?

AZuser

If talks about putting a supercharger in one becomes reality, that would be the one to get.


There are some things I like more on the GT-86 and some things I like more on the BRZ. For example, I like the lower mesh grille on the Toyota, but prefer the bumper section (where the license place mounts to) on the BRZ. I also prefer the headlights on the BRZ over the Toyota.

civicdrivr

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I like the foglight areas on the Subaru version more then the Toyota version. On the Toyota, they look too cute-sy

Belzebutt

AZuser, good job on the pics. I didn't realize the cars shared that much sheetmetal. It's basically just the front that's somewhat different.

Do you like the smiley face or the frowny face?

Colin

I was (somehow) under the impression that they only shared a drive train but had unique sheetmetal. I agree, that they look exactly like the same stampings.

Costco

For some reason this reminded me of the LF-A, just toned down to 1/5th

speedemon90

Wrong.

They envisioned a RWD sports car that's main focus is on handling that can be bought for ltl over 20k

300 hp... you're looking at like 35k+


I dont get all the anger thats going on here about power. All of you think the miata is amazing. That thing has way less power! And I dont even think its that much lighter. Not to mention the miata probably has a bigger price tag.

Sure it could use more power. But Toyota/Subaru still has to see this car in a business perspective.

They can make the car more powerful and offer it above 30k, but at that price range, getting a car that well probably is not the most ergonomic, comfortable, utility will be much much harder to sell than putting it mid 20s. I bet they aren't going to be making much money on this car anyway. Its to attract drivers to their line to develop a brand relationship maybe.

charliemike

Look, the concept could have had 200hp/160tq and I would have bought it because it looked like a little LF-A. Instead it looks like a Civic coupe by comparison.

And I think the Miata looks way better and would really be something with more power.

biker

There was no way to keep cost down without having the same sheet metal - I assumed all along that these two cars were just slightly a step up from badge engineered copies with different interiors.

MTEAZY

Do you know anything about cars

jwong77

Both look great, though I prefer the color of the Subie version. It all comes down to which is cheaper or which dealer is willing to give me a better deal.

speedemon90

to each his own, but I think its a nice looking car.

charliemike

Yup. If this were FWD, everyone would be shitting all over it.

But it's not and suddenly it's awesome.

I contend it doesn't matter which wheels make this car go when it is such a terrible effort.

civicdrivr

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I dont think it looks anything like the Civic coupe. Have you seen a Civic coupe? Theyre hideous.

speedemon90

if the mustang was fwd people would be shitting all over it too... I dont see your point.

Change one of the best qualities of a car of course people will be shitting on it.

Change the engine of an si, or make it "worse" people will be shitting all over it, and guess what thats what happened.

civicdrivr

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At least Toyota/Subaru are trying to deliver a decent sports coupe at a cheap price.

The Miata has cornered the market for lightweight, inexpensive fun cars. And thats exactly what Toyota/Subaru built. How many other cars are in that segment?

What does Honda have? The CRZ? Nissan? Nothing. Hyundai? Same as Nissan, the Genesis is heavy. American car companies? Not a damn thing. Ze Germans? Nein.

The Miata is a great car and has been dominant for 20 years. A lot of car companies have put out half baked products in an attempt to go toe to toe with the Miata. How many of them are still being made today? I commend Toyota and Subaru for building this car. In a down economy, it takes balls to build a niche product at a good price. I think it will perform well, both in sales and driving feel

speedemon90

^ i hate your avatar...

civicdrivr

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StreetKA

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i kinda wish it was turbo/supercharged even with 220hp would give more tq and would be easier to mod

i hope TRD will come out with a sc kit for scion and STI with turbo for subaru

OperationDarkie

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That would be an over priced kit for either of them, heck this car is like a miata with some actual horsepower and a roof, I only like it because of that, if anything I would change on it would be brakes replace them with some slightly larger rotors and race pads, oh baby this thing would race all day till the tires and gas is gone.

200 hp is plenty for this car from the factory it doesn't need more its a lightweight coupe, I honestly think more horsepower will unbalance it.

Just think of it as a Miata coupe, because that is what I see, as opposed to the more porky genesis coupe.

Aman

I get that this car is a cheap, RWD coupe for cheap and I think it's fantastic. Yeah, it might be underwhelming cosmetically, but RWD is not a feature like leather, navigation, or a sunroof... it changes the car entirely.

There's plenty of space for a slightly pricier, higher performance model later on. But it looks like they didn't give the aftermarket much room to stretch their legs. I read that this engine might not be able to be turbocharged because there's no space for the snail?

civicdrivr

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Theres always space for a snail.

Or just supercharge it

GreenMonster

Yeah... There's already rumors that TRD is already working on a supercharger for the 86.

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1...l-gt-86-report

Google "trd fr-s supercharger" for news for more info...

GreenMonster

Exactly... it's a miata w/ a hardtop and a tiny back seat...

Nice photo comparison here:

http://www.ft86club.com/?p=932

GreenMonster

I can't wait to see the details next spring...

It'll be interesting to see how much more is included in the BRZ vs. the FR-S and at what price those extras will be. I'm sure there'll be alot of crossshopping between the two models.

I really like the 86 badges on the FR-S fenders

OperationDarkie

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Yeah I would prefer the toyota version myself, put the OEM Japan badging on it upgrade the brakes so I can use them all day, man it would be a nice high speed autocross car since I already use my friends turbo miata for that and his turbo miata has another 60 hp on the FR-S, I would really enjoy this car in the spring-fall time. Or find me a used NSX

MTEAZY